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Visegrad reporting that Ukraine has entered Russia once again through the Belgorod region. Believe the Pro-Ukranian Russian forces once did the same maybe a year or so ago.

 
Decked said:
Visegrad reporting that Ukraine has entered Russia once again through the Belgorod region. Believe the Pro-Ukranian Russian forces once did the same maybe a year or so ago.
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they pulled forces out of kursk....and are now entering belgorod.  interesting.    i am sure that trump will condemn this action but we will see.

 
Elon Musk now considers Ukraine his personal enemy for a variety of reasons. Those reasons aren't paranoid: Elon went out and earned them. I'm sure Archy is correct that Elon never blamed Ukraine for the initial invasion, but it wouldn't be surprising if he said something to that effect this afternoon. The narrative isn't changing because of new information -- it's changing because you need to parrot the U.S. President if you want to do business with him. 

I don't think Zelenskyy can make a case for reclaiming past territories like Crimea, or slips of land from post-invasion offensives. Ukraine simply needs a full withdrawl of Russian forces, some sort of rebuilding fund, and probably a bulls#!t treaty from Putin recognizing its sovereignty. I don't think it even needs a NATO provision either way, although a face-saving promise not to join NATO for let's say 10 years probably works for both Putin and Zelenskyy. 

This is all contingent on Ukraine maintaining its leverage: while Russia will always have more soldiers and materiel, the unexpected costs and failures of the Ukraine war have delivered a huge hit to Russia's military, economy, and global standing. It makes sense to end the war, and a 50% more credible and less transactional Donald Trump could have pulled it off. If Russia believes Ukraine is about to become far more vulnerable through the removal of U.S. financial and military support, Putin's original victory scenario is back on the table. 

 
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Just another country that is not afraid of russia.  

All of Europe is starting to realize how lame that country is and it is great to see!

 
Two sides to every story he says.  I guess there were two sides to Stalin's purges, Mao's cultural revolution, and Pol Pot's reign of terror.  Sounds like he's setting up the rationalization for political opponents here to get disappeared.


 
Danny Bateman said:
That is Russia violating a ceasefire to attack civilians, to be crystal clear.

Can any of the resident MAGA apologists explain why this ain't that bad and the greatest negotiator mankind has ever seen is busy cooking up a big, beautiful deal?
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This is 100% why lame a$$ russia needs to be invaded and for the most part, totally destroyed.  It just needs a hard reset.  

 
Scarlet said:
Two sides to every story he says.  I guess there were two sides to Stalin's purges, Mao's cultural revolution, and Pol Pot's reign of terror.  Sounds like he's setting up the rationalization for political opponents here to get disappeared.
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Literally the lames excuse ever.  

 
Danny Bateman said:
That is Russia violating a ceasefire to attack civilians, to be crystal clear.

Can any of the resident MAGA apologists explain why this ain't that bad and the greatest negotiator mankind has ever seen is busy cooking up a big, beautiful deal?
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TBF, it probably is a big, beautiful deal for Trump personally or for his oligarch buddies like Putin.  We must not ever forget that he only does things for himself, not for country. Maybe Putin is helping him big and beautifully pump and dump some crypto. Maybe Elon is getting some big, beautiful contract for some other concession that sells out more of our historic allies.

Here’s a question for our undiscerning Trump humpers; What has Trump done/accomplished yet that has both benefited the US people and not violated our laws and constitution? Get busy! We can wait.

 
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