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The players don't get fired if the team doesn't win. Fair or not, it all falls on the coach.

 
Having coached class A football in Nebraska, I know that you can prepare your players well over the coarse of the week, feel like you have had a great week of practice and that everyone knows the game plan and come out and lay an egg in the game. Conversely you can feel like you had a bad week of practice and come out and play great. Usually good practice means good play in the game, but not all time. I am not trying to take any responsibility off of coaches. All I am trying to say is that it is a more complex situation than just having a team prepared or not.

 
NUinID said:
Having coached class A football in Nebraska, I know that you can prepare your players well over the coarse of the week, feel like you have had a great week of practice and that everyone knows the game plan and come out and lay an egg in the game. Conversely you can feel like you had a bad week of practice and come out and play great. Usually good practice means good play in the game, but not all time. I am not trying to take any responsibility off of coaches. All I am trying to say is that it is a more complex situation than just having a team prepared or not.
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This.

I've only coached (and played) in lowly Class C but it's crazy what change change on a given day.

 
NUinID said:
Having coached class A football in Nebraska, I know that you can prepare your players well over the coarse of the week, feel like you have had a great week of practice and that everyone knows the game plan and come out and lay an egg in the game. Conversely you can feel like you had a bad week of practice and come out and play great. Usually good practice means good play in the game, but not all time. I am not trying to take any responsibility off of coaches. All I am trying to say is that it is a more complex situation than just having a team prepared or not.
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And if it happens once, or twice, not a big deal. If it happens consistently...

 
Junior said:
Mavric said:
So coaches are supposed to be able to read and control players minds? Interesting, young padawan.
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That's simply not what I stated at all. I stated that it was the coach's job to have their players ready to play. If the players aren't ready, for whatever reason, that ultimately falls at the feet of the coaches, be it for poor recruiting, poor motivation, or lack of respect from the team. You have some people that want to absolve this coaching staff of all guilt for the team's troubles. It's the players' fault for X, Y, and Z. I simply maintain that, even if it is the players' fault for not properly understanding or executing the scheme, it is still the coach's responsibility. They are either failing at the level of recruiting or teaching.
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Didn't the coaching staff admit that they failed the university the last couple years recruiting? I think you'll see the defense start to build back up, because this coincides with the time that they started to get their recruiting stuff together. I think it says a lot that we lost X amount of players on D and none were drafted very high, at all.

 
Junior said:
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
You're right but only to a certain extent. It's not entirely the coaches responsibility because the truth is that you just can't control people. No matter how hard you try or what steps you put in place, other human beings still have their own minds and hearts and there will always be a disconnect. The job of a coach is to make it as small as possible, but sometimes doing that just isn't possible.
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Lots of great X's and O's coaches have gone down because they haven't connected to their players for whatever reason. It's part of coaching and is still something the coach is responsible for. Especially at the college level, where the coaches have essentially complete control over their personnel.
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Really? They can go out and sign free agents by offering the most money? Only in the SEC.

You must have meant that whatever players they like in recruiting will automatically sign with your school. Oh wait, that doesn't work either.

How exactly to coaches have complete control? They might have accepted the players that wanted to sign but that doesn't mean they got who they really wanted.

 
Mavric said:
Junior said:
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
You're right but only to a certain extent. It's not entirely the coaches responsibility because the truth is that you just can't control people. No matter how hard you try or what steps you put in place, other human beings still have their own minds and hearts and there will always be a disconnect. The job of a coach is to make it as small as possible, but sometimes doing that just isn't possible.
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Lots of great X's and O's coaches have gone down because they haven't connected to their players for whatever reason. It's part of coaching and is still something the coach is responsible for. Especially at the college level, where the coaches have essentially complete control over their personnel.
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Really? They can go out and sign free agents by offering the most money? Only in the SEC.

You must have meant that whatever players they like in recruiting will automatically sign with your school. Oh wait, that doesn't work either.

How exactly to coaches have complete control? They might have accepted the players that wanted to sign but that doesn't mean they got who they really wanted.
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They control the roster, they can cut anyone they want. If a player isn't doing his part for whatever reason, they're gone. See Ernest Suttles and Thomas Brown. The coaches control who gets offered. They don't have to go through a GM or an owner, the head coach is the GM. It's not like an NFL coach who wanted a defensive linemen, but the owner wanted a QB to energize the fanbase. If they didn't successfully recruit players they wanted, well that's on the coach, isn't it?

 
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Junior said:
Mavric said:
Junior said:
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
You're right but only to a certain extent. It's not entirely the coaches responsibility because the truth is that you just can't control people. No matter how hard you try or what steps you put in place, other human beings still have their own minds and hearts and there will always be a disconnect. The job of a coach is to make it as small as possible, but sometimes doing that just isn't possible.
Click to expand...
Lots of great X's and O's coaches have gone down because they haven't connected to their players for whatever reason. It's part of coaching and is still something the coach is responsible for. Especially at the college level, where the coaches have essentially complete control over their personnel.
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Really? They can go out and sign free agents by offering the most money? Only in the SEC.

You must have meant that whatever players they like in recruiting will automatically sign with your school. Oh wait, that doesn't work either.

How exactly to coaches have complete control? They might have accepted the players that wanted to sign but that doesn't mean they got who they really wanted.
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They control the roster, they can cut anyone they want. If a player isn't doing his part for whatever reason, they're gone. See Ernest Suttles and Thomas Brown. The coaches control who gets offered. They don't have to go through a GM or an owner, the head coach is the GM. It's not like an NFL coach who wanted a defensive linemen, but the owner wanted a QB to energize the fanbase. If they didn't successfully recruit players they wanted, well that's on the coach, isn't it?
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They can't cut players who aren't living up to expectations, unless you're in the SEC that is.

 
Junior said:
Mavric said:
Junior said:
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
You're right but only to a certain extent. It's not entirely the coaches responsibility because the truth is that you just can't control people. No matter how hard you try or what steps you put in place, other human beings still have their own minds and hearts and there will always be a disconnect. The job of a coach is to make it as small as possible, but sometimes doing that just isn't possible.
Click to expand...
Lots of great X's and O's coaches have gone down because they haven't connected to their players for whatever reason. It's part of coaching and is still something the coach is responsible for. Especially at the college level, where the coaches have essentially complete control over their personnel.
Click to expand...
Really? They can go out and sign free agents by offering the most money? Only in the SEC.

You must have meant that whatever players they like in recruiting will automatically sign with your school. Oh wait, that doesn't work either.

How exactly to coaches have complete control? They might have accepted the players that wanted to sign but that doesn't mean they got who they really wanted.
Click to expand...
They control the roster, they can cut anyone they want. If a player isn't doing his part for whatever reason, they're gone. See Ernest Suttles and Thomas Brown. The coaches control who gets offered. They don't have to go through a GM or an owner, the head coach is the GM. It's not like an NFL coach who wanted a defensive linemen, but the owner wanted a QB to energize the fanbase. If they didn't successfully recruit players they wanted, well that's on the coach, isn't it?
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So the only factor is where kids sign is how good of a recruiter the coach is?

 
Junior said:
NUinID said:
Having coached class A football in Nebraska, I know that you can prepare your players well over the coarse of the week, feel like you have had a great week of practice and that everyone knows the game plan and come out and lay an egg in the game. Conversely you can feel like you had a bad week of practice and come out and play great. Usually good practice means good play in the game, but not all time. I am not trying to take any responsibility off of coaches. All I am trying to say is that it is a more complex situation than just having a team prepared or not.
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And if it happens once, or twice, not a big deal. If it happens consistently...
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Really, what is consistently? I can only think of one game last year were NU came out and completely laid an egg in and that was Wisky II.

 
NUinID said:
I can only think of one game last year were NU came out and completely laid an egg in and that was Wisky II.
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What do you call 653 yards by UCLA?

What do you call 500 yards and 63 points by Ohio State?

If those aren't eggs...

 
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