Trump Cabinet

TGHusker said:
You mean this Kristi Noem - the one doing YMCA with Trump at his weird town all turned music jam??

A very serious pick for Homeland Security don't you think?  Well, I guess she knows how to put down a dog.  :facepalm:

Kind of begs the question:  What the H@#L  does she know about Homeland Security?   AG Sec - sure,  Homeland - not so much.

Again, Trump is putting his YES men/women in place - because we know he knows more than all of them so they are just figureheads anyway. 

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Time will tell on whether she does a good job or not, but it will certainly be hard to do worse than the current guy.  
 

Im sure there were other more qualified options though.   

 
Archy1221 said:
Time will tell on whether she does a good job or not, but it will certainly be hard to do worse than the current guy.  
 

Im sure there were other more qualified options though.   
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My dad likes her as governor but I don't see any qualifications outside of loyalty and being a good music moderator.  

 
TGHusker said:
My dad likes her as governor but I don't see any qualifications outside of loyalty and being a good music moderator.  
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I think the loyalty word needs evaluated a bit and put into context.   Are we to assume that Trump should not put into place people who buy into his vision of what he wants for an administration?   We would assume, just like EVERY other President elect, he reward people for supporting them.  
 

In terms of qualifications, I think the qualifications standard should be evaluated a bit.   The Secretary of these departments should have for sure one basic qualification…..that they have led something before.  In this case being a Governor.  I think a general knowledge of the issues the department handles is key and the ability of hire the direct reports under them is key as those people are the ones who will have more impact.  
 

It’s similar in ways to a new CEO taking over a business in an industry that he/she doesn’t have much experience in.   Sometimes it’s a bust, but also there are times it’s a home run because the new CEO is a great leader who brings a fresh perspective and changes personnel under him/her to get the ship moving in a better place with a better long term strategic plan.  
 

DHS is such a massive department that my biggest worry for Noem is that she can lead the various heads who will be affecting the department as a whole.   I’m not as worried about her having a vast amount of security experience.  Just my opinion. 

 
Archy1221 said:
Are we to assume that Trump should not put into place people who buy into his vision of what he wants for an administration?   We would assume, just like EVERY other President elect, he reward people for supporting them.  
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Sometimes, you can find decent or good leaders who surround themselves with people who see things exactly as they do and/or who's primary goal is to serve their vision.

Great leaders always make sure they've got some people opposing them in their inner circle as well. 

 
Lorewarn said:
Sometimes, you can find decent or good leaders who surround themselves with people who see things exactly as they do and/or who's primary goal is to serve their vision.

Great leaders always make sure they've got some people opposing them in their inner circle as well. 
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I agree with you here.   Great leaders should have people who are bought into the vision and direction of the leader but who are willing to speak up when they see a better route to the end goal or they see the Leader getting off track of the goal.  
 

Leaders generally do not hire people on their Leadership team who do not agree with the goals they are trying to achieve 

If you are just trying to say it’s unwise to only hire yes men and women, then I agree 

 
It is a very weird though that one would hire people who are "against" them or against what they are trying to accomplish.  Even if Rhule just did it with a Air Raid guy when he claims to want a physical pro offense.  

We tend to romanticize this stuff, like the old "opposites attract" type thing or my weaknesses plus their strengths make a perfect match. 

I suppose there can be some truth to that but the best coaching staffs I have been on, we were friends and we all were pulling the same direction and had similar ideas.

The best departments I have been on we were friends and had similar ideas. 

Imagine trying to get a job and telling the person interviewing that you are going to challenge them all the time.

That is why it is so hard to take consultants seriously.  

 
teachercd said:
It is a very weird though that one would hire people who are "against" them or against what they are trying to accomplish.  Even if Rhule just did it with a Air Raid guy when he claims to want a physical pro offense.  

We tend to romanticize this stuff, like the old "opposites attract" type thing or my weaknesses plus their strengths make a perfect match. 

I suppose there can be some truth to that but the best coaching staffs I have been on, we were friends and we all were pulling the same direction and had similar ideas.

The best departments I have been on we were friends and had similar ideas. 

Imagine trying to get a job and telling the person interviewing that you are going to challenge them all the time.

That is why it is so hard to take consultants seriously.  
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There is a difference between hiring people who are devoted to the cause the country wants to accomplish and will bring opposing views to the table for discussion and people who are completely 100% devoted to whatever you say no matter if it's the right thing to do.

 
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BigRedBuster said:
There is a difference between hiring people who are devoted to the cause the country wants to accomplish and will bring opposing views to the table for discussion and people who are completely 100% devoted to whatever you say no matter if it's the right thing to do.
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Sure and I get that but that is sort of the point of hiring people that you want to hire, you hire them because they have similar goals to you.  

It would be insane to hire a team of people that do not think like you or do not have the same goals as you.  

Now, you can totally argue the "Yes Man" theory, which makes sense, I don't think you just want that but I don't think that most people are just a "Yes Man" type. 

Plus you can disagree with someone but still go along with what they want, I mean, if we did not do that how would marriage work?  No guy is actually excited to clean the house, run errands, go look at furniture and have a game night at the Flendersons.  

 
teachercd said:
Sure and I get that but that is sort of the point of hiring people that you want to hire, you hire them because they have similar goals to you.  

It would be insane to hire a team of people that do not think like you or do not have the same goals as you.  

Now, you can totally argue the "Yes Man" theory, which makes sense, I don't think you just want that but I don't think that most people are just a "Yes Man" type. 

Plus you can disagree with someone but still go along with what they want, I mean, if we did not do that how would marriage work?  No guy is actually excited to clean the house, run errands, go look at furniture and have a game night at the Flendersons.  
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My most personally valued employee is a VP under me.  She is fantastic.  We work very well together towards a common goal.  However, she is extremely quick to tell me when my ideas are trash.  I like that.  I value that immensely.  Meanwhile, I have had people who were scared to do that and it doesn't work out.

 
BigRedBuster said:
My most personally valued employee is a VP under me.  She is fantastic.  We work very well together towards a common goal.  However, she is extremely quick to tell me when my ideas are trash.  I like that.  I value that immensely.  Meanwhile, I have had people who were scared to do that and it doesn't work out.
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The question is why were they scared?  Because that sounds like a bad work environment.  I worked in one of those for a decade and I was terrified to speak up because of the way my bosses acted.  

 
BigRedBuster said:
However, she is extremely quick to tell me when my ideas are trash.  I like that.  I value that immensely.  Meanwhile, I have had people who were scared to do that and it doesn't work out.
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This is the rub, and it can manifest in a lot of different ways. In terms of the Presidency, Lincoln was well known for this, stuffing his cabinet with many of his opponents. To articulate it further, colleagues devoted to the cause above all else, or those who's principled opposition serves to steer the cause closer to north, are more valuable than colleagues devoted to you and/or their own success above all else. 

Archy1221 said:
If you are just trying to say it’s unwise to only hire yes men and women, then I agree 
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And sadly, the verdict is emphatically in on Trump's hierarchy of values found in those who work for him.

 
My current boss is great and she listens to us.  But at times my boss will also say things like "Well, this is the way I want to do it and so this is how we are going to do it"

Turning everything into a back and forth, what do you think, no, what do you think...and constantly challenging each others ideas just seems like a mess

 
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