Who gets the redshirt in 2010?

[huskernation20]

Now that we have an official 2010 recruiting class, I figured we could move this discussion away from the Recruiting page. Of today's signees, who do you think will redshirt in the fall? I know it's way too early to tell, but isn't that what makes predictions so fun?

My first pick is Carnes, especially if Spano stays healthy. I think it's a given that Lee & Green are in the driver's seat with Spano & Washington as backups. We should have no need for Carnes to waste a redshirt like Green did last year.

Another prediction is one of our many DEs - Donovan Vestel. We are stacked on the Dline, and I think we'll want to redshirt at least one of the incoming signees, if not 2 or 3.

I'm thinking the question is who has a good chance of not redshirting --- that would be Yoshi, maybe Rome or Guy. After that I'd guess that everyone else has a greater chance of redshirting than not.

So you don't think David will get PT? I find that highly unlikely since he's JUCO & we have a big need with such an inexperienced LB crew. Time will tell, but I see him and Martin making the biggest impact.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Cooper gets a redshirt since we're already so stacked in the secondary. Either way, should be fun to watch those guys vs any QB.

I think its obvious that the JUCO's will not be redshirted.

Maybe not as obvious as you think. I believe several are 3 to play 2 guys.

I agree with billdozer. I feel that JUCO players should be more than able to come in a contribute immediately with raw talent alone. Like Mo Purify and Brandon Kinne. Yoshi is going to be a beast and based on David's video, he will be a monster in his own right as well!

 

[Danimal]

Bo will continue to be conservative about burning shirts and emphasize out-developing the competition. Outside of the three JUCO's I don't see many guys playing.

We won't have the depth-issues that forced us to play Green and Spano will be back. I hope to shirt Carnes.

Unless D-Rob is able to really assert himself in the big-back roll I see Heard playing. Could be an impact-guy if Helu continues to have durability issues.

Cooper could get into the mix at safety with Asante and O'Hanlon gone. I think Jackson shirts

We already have a dang good group of cb's and have Green and Middleton joining the mix. I can't see Mitchell or Ciante Evans playing.

I see Chase Rome probably playing while Guy shirts. Guy could use a focused year under Dobson to work on his "quality" lb's.

I think all the DE's shirt. If somebody doesn't my guess is Ashburn, he kicked serious a$$ his senior-year.

With Yoshi now at OT I can't see Moudy playing. A-Rod has a good shot, especially if Ash stays at center.

Hard to say what happens at wr. We have a fair amount of wr's ahead of them but those guys need to step-up. Bell is skinny but his explosiveness definitely intrigues me.

 

[robsker]

Now that we have an official 2010 recruiting class, I figured we could move this discussion away from the Recruiting page. Of today's signees, who do you think will redshirt in the fall? I know it's way too early to tell, but isn't that what makes predictions so fun?

My first pick is Carnes, especially if Spano stays healthy. I think it's a given that Lee & Green are in the driver's seat with Spano & Washington as backups. We should have no need for Carnes to waste a redshirt like Green did last year.

Another prediction is one of our many DEs - Donovan Vestel. We are stacked on the Dline, and I think we'll want to redshirt at least one of the incoming signees, if not 2 or 3.

I'm thinking the question is who has a good chance of not redshirting --- that would be Yoshi, maybe Rome or Guy. After that I'd guess that everyone else has a greater chance of redshirting than not.

So you don't think David will get PT? I find that highly unlikely since he's JUCO & we have a big need with such an inexperienced LB crew. Time will tell, but I see him and Martin making the biggest impact.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Cooper gets a redshirt since we're already so stacked in the secondary. Either way, should be fun to watch those guys vs any QB.

I think its obvious that the JUCO's will not be redshirted.

Maybe not as obvious as you think. I believe several are 3 to play 2 guys.

I agree with billdozer. I feel that JUCO players should be more than able to come in a contribute immediately with raw talent alone. Like Mo Purify and Brandon Kinne. Yoshi is going to be a beast and based on David's video, he will be a monster in his own right as well!

They could contribute and develop (work out the kinks play perhaps decently) that year and then have one good year left. Or, they redshirt, learn the system, acclimate and develop and then have two good years left. So... if a Juco is a 3 to play 2 guy, then unless you absolutely, absolutely must fill a gaping hole at a given position that forces their use their first year --- well... redshirt them.

Are any of the Juco's at positions where a gaping hole exists and we MUT use them? If the answer is no... then redshirt them.

 

[EZ-E]

Everyone redshirts accept for MAYBE Heard, Enunwa, Rome, Guy, Cooper.

 

[HANC]

Here I go again.... Carnes must redshirt, IMO. We saw what Green was unable to do right out of HS, so lesson learned here. BUT, I completely disagree with RS Green along with Carnes. Green "grew" under fire this season, and will continue to grow vs our Defense in the spring and fall. He will make a strong push to start and he might. If you redshirt him and Carnes, you will have 2 guys of decent ability (hopefully great) and both will have little to no game experience. Along with Turner following, even afer he RS, you could have a 3 way log jam of suppossedly great QBs with only 1yr separating each. If this is the case, you can bet 1 will bolt. Call it selfish, but talent doesn't sit !!!

You play Green now (either 1-2), RS Carnes, then Green as a JR. and Carnes as a RS freshman can battle in 2011. Then RS Turner, and you have created the depth you need to possibly give each one of these guys a chance to start for at least 2 years (except Carnes/Turner will ony be 1 yr apart).

* This doesn't even mention Spano / Martinez, but with the direction that the Off. is appearing to be headed, one would think you want mobility of the guys we are mentioning. Martinez ends up at WR or DB and Spano gets screwed because of style of play.

***** You also RS Rodriquez, no questions here. I will bet that he will not crack the top 2 even after a RS yr. I have said that he is a 2-3 yr project. He WILL be good, but right now, he isn't quick enough or strong enough. He got beat a fair amount in the HS championship game.

Just my opinion

 

[HuskerTrucker]

I would really like to see Carnes redshirt. There is too much to pick up, Cody Green playing this past season was more proof than I needed to see of that. Let him come in, learn the playbook, and get some time in practice. Lee will probably be the starter, and Green can back him up. There is no reason to throw him in at this point. Let him come compete for the job in 2011 and still have 4 years eligibility left. I am just hoping that nobody led him to believe that he would have a great chance at starting, because it takes a really special QB to do that, or a tough kid that can take the hits that he will get (on the field and off the field) when he screws up.

If we can get this O-line issue dealt with, I think we have a really good shot at a solid season with Lee (or Green) at QB. There are too many unknowns with an untested QB...especially when your not sure what the O-line is going to do. That is one place I really didn't think we would have a problem last year, and it turned out to be a major issue all season long.

 

[zoogs]

Here I go again.... Carnes must redshirt, IMO. We saw what Green was unable to do right out of HS, so lesson learned here. BUT, I completely disagree with RS Green along with Carnes. Green "grew" under fire this season, and will continue to grow vs our Defense in the spring and fall. He will make a strong push to start and he might. If you redshirt him and Carnes, you will have 2 guys of decent ability (hopefully great) and both will have little to no game experience. Along with Turner following, even afer he RS, you could have a 3 way log jam of suppossedly great QBs with only 1yr separating each. If this is the case, you can bet 1 will bolt. Call it selfish, but talent doesn't sit !!!

You play Green now (either 1-2), RS Carnes, then Green as a JR. and Carnes as a RS freshman can battle in 2011. Then RS Turner, and you have created the depth you need to possibly give each one of these guys a chance to start for at least 2 years (except Carnes/Turner will ony be 1 yr apart).

* This doesn't even mention Spano / Martinez, but with the direction that the Off. is appearing to be headed, one would think you want mobility of the guys we are mentioning. Martinez ends up at WR or DB and Spano gets screwed because of style of play.

***** You also RS Rodriquez, no questions here. I will bet that he will not crack the top 2 even after a RS yr. I have said that he is a 2-3 yr project. He WILL be good, but right now, he isn't quick enough or strong enough. He got beat a fair amount in the HS championship game.

Just my opinion

HANC, I don't think that was lesson learned at all. First, we didn't really have a choice but to play Green; if they had to go back in time they'd do it again. And Green and Carnes are different players.

Did Green really grow under fire? Because he performed okay against Baylor, then completely shut down against OU and never made another remotely promising play the rest of the year. 4 star talent and all, Green has made no indication he is anywhere CLOSE to ready to handle the position.He's a guy that, while physically talented and a mature, solid guy, needs to get the mental aspects of the offense down as well as develop the passing side of his game a LOT, in order to really challenge.

The thing is, Green already has his feet wet. Spano and Carnes don't. These are the three guys that will probably be in the mix for the 2011 starting job. At this point, Green needs to just dive into the position and develop on the scout team, IMO. The better of Spano and Carnes need to develop, along with getting gametime experience. Maybe both of them.

Spano as a JR, Carnes as a SO, and Green as a RSO can battle it out in 2011, IMO. This is all speculative, but I don't like the thought of a completley untested RFr battling for the starting job. And Carnes is further along in his passing development that maybe he can grab hold of the #2 job.

Spano's a dual threat, by the way. In fact, he was higher on Rivals' list of dual threat QBs in his year than Green was in his, I believe. Really, no matter the direction of the offense, athletic ability will always remain a "plus" for the QB, and passing ability will be the "required."

 

[HANC]

Zoogies:

Understood. I know that we the circumstances dictated that Green "had" to play. I am not disputing that. The lesson is....a TRUE freshman is NOT ready to play... and I DO THINK we learned that lesson. That is what I meant.

I will say yes, Green did grow under fire. You are exactly spot on when you described his season. My argument is.....he took a number of snaps with the first team unit the entire season....in practice and especially during the 2-3 week stint as the starter and co-#1. This experience of playing at "varsity" level speed can not be duplicated on the scout team, running our opponent's offense and studying ours on the side. I agree 100% that he was not ready to assume the starting job this season, but he is much farther along now than he would have been if he would have been with the scout team. Plus, after the OU game, he never had a "true chance" to get anything established. One series a game, and CU and Tex were "no win series" with ball deep in own territory. He threw a bad pass in the Holiday Bowl, which Lee would have completed, but never got another opportunity to catch up to the speed of the game. We all know that it takes a series or two to really get into the flow.

I would imagine that he has used the last month and the months to come to grasp the offense that you are referring to. This year, Zac Lee was BETTER, but I will continue to say that Green will be our starter next fall. I am a Spano fan, but if you think that he is still a potential "dual-threat" after 2 knee surgeries, you are mistaking IMO. Don't know many atheletes who are top notch after 2 operations.

Obviously, we are all entitled to our opinions, this is just mine. :cheers

 

[JTrain]

I think all of the high school kids should redshirt, with the possible exceptions of Rodriquez, Heard, Cooper and any receiver that happens to step up big in spring ball.

 

[jnkyrdoff6]

I'm thinking pry everyone in the '10 class but Heard, the two jucos, Rome, and one of the safety recruits. Heard'll pry get thrown into a 5 back mix type of thing.

 

[HuskerTrucker]

Zoogies:

I will say yes, Green did grow under fire. You are exactly spot on when you described his season. My argument is.....he took a number of snaps with the first team unit the entire season....in practice and especially during the 2-3 week stint as the starter and co-#1. This experience of playing at "varsity" level speed can not be duplicated on the scout team, running our opponent's offense and studying ours on the side. I agree 100% that he was not ready to assume the starting job this season, but he is much farther along now than he would have been if he would have been with the scout team.

if you think that he is still a potential "dual-threat" after 2 knee surgeries, you are mistaking IMO. Don't know many atheletes who are top notch after 2 operations.

Hanc, I respect what you have to say, but in reality, nothing is going to give him the experience with the game speed unless he is IN a real game and not just running in and out. They are probably not going to be going as fast in any practice. Unfortunately, that is a fact that we face with him. Unless we are willing to throw him to the lions, or have a line that can and will protect him, he is going to have to learn the old fashioned way - take some lumps.

I went to high school with a kid (Don Bracken) who had both his knees done his junior year in high school. The next thing I knew he was playing for Michigan as their punter, as was pretty damn good. I also had one knee done, and it is actually stronger than the one I didn't have to have done now, so I know with the right rehab, it can be done...and I bet there is no lack of motivation from the staff.

I would love to see one of the young QB's step up and win the job this fall - if he is truly ready to get the real game experience. That may be asking too much though...though I absolutely hate how we have had to bring in a junior or even a senior and start them while younger, maybe even better, talent is sitting on the pine. I have faith that Watson knows who is ready for action and who isn't...no matter what I or anyone else wants.

 

[melscott62]

Lavonte David - I would've liked to see him enroll for Spring Ball, as he has a great opportunity to make a big contribution, similar to the contribution Dejon Gomes had this past season. I'm looking forward to seeing the athleticism that David and Eric Martin will bring to the LB position

Jermarcus "Yoshi" Hardrick - I fully expect him to start at left tackle, I've had enough of Mike Smith.

Braylon Heard - I'd like to see Tray Robinson work his way into the "Castille" type power back, but if he doesn't, that could open up an opportunity for Braylon Heard to contribute.

Brion Carnes - I'd like to see him redshirt, along with Cody Green. Cody really needs a year of development before he can contribute.

Corey Cooper - We need to find another safety alongside PJ Smith, and maybe it's Eric Hagg if he makes the move. Corey Cooper should at least be playing special teams in 2010.

Chase Harper - I just don't see how he plays in front of Ben Cotton and Kyler Reed for the #2 and #3 role. I'd really like to see Kyler Reed have a bigger role in the offense with his athleticism.

Andrew Rodriguez - With all the hype surrounding the 2009 class of OL, I'd like to see him redshirt and develop.

Chase Rome - Crick, Baker, Thad Randle, and who else? Rome could contribute to provide depth on the interior of the defensive line.

Kenny Bell - We need more speed and athleticism at the skill positions, don't think he's ready to contribute in 2010.

Quincy Enunwa - If Curenski Gilleyen continues to struggle, it wouldn't surprise me to see him work his way into the WR rotation with Niles, Kinnie, Cooper, and possibly Antoinio Bell.

Jay Guy - Could provide depth along with Chase Rome in the interior of the defensive line.

The rest of the 2010 class should redshirt and develop.

Can't wait to see what type of class BO can put together for 2011. Jamal Turner's films remind me of Tyrod Taylor.

Moore

 

[chamrocck]

Good thread. If Enunwa or Bell show they can play WR in the spring, then I expect one of them to see the field. I expect Yoshi and Lavonte also to see time. Not sure what to make of Chase Harper and where he fits for playing time. I think we might also see Cooper. Maybe Marsh on ST. Perhaps Rome or Guy make depth at DT...spring will tell. I would be very surprised to see Carnes not redshirt. I also sense Heard is a redshirt.