Dylan Raiola

Mavric said:
It's almost like you need 11 players or something.
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Dylan has thrown the ball to about twice that many players since he's been here. Basically two full sets of starters. A half dozen 4* WRs. And yet we're still only the 9th best passing offense in the conference this year.[*]

What's the simpler explanation: that all of those receivers are no better than mid, or that the one guy distributing the ball to them is no better than mid?


* I keep coming back to Casey Thompson comparisons. When he was here, we had the #6 passing offense in the Big Ten, albeit the conf was a bit smaller then. AMart's last season here were were #5. People are trying to convince me (or maybe themselves) that Raiola is a better passer than either of them, and I still ain't seeing it.
 
JJ Husker said:
I no longer think he is a great QB. My comment was about his perceived greatness aka recruiting ranking. And no, I don’t believe we will pick up anyone approaching what he was supposed to be. I do think we can find somebody plenty good enough and possibly more effective.

I can definitively say that I have never had a chubby related in anyway to a QB. All flacid here. Although Tommie Frazier may have been the cause of a few wet dreams back in the day.
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By most standards Tommie Frazier, Eric Crouch and Scott Frost were bad QBs.

But they won games within the system they played in. They were great and all-time football players, if not good QBs…
I’ll take a a great football player who wins (Pavia, for example) over a statistical phenom any day. We just to want to freaking win. Dylan will not win because he plays like he’s at a 7v7 camp.
 
Toe said:
Dylan has thrown the ball to about twice that many players since he's been here. Basically two full sets of starters. A half dozen 4* WRs. And yet we're still only the 9th best passing offense in the conference this year.[*]

What's the simpler explanation: that all of those receivers are no better than mid, or that the one guy distributing the ball to them is no better than mid?

* I keep coming back to Casey Thompson comparisons. When he was here, we had the #6 passing offense in the Big Ten, albeit the conf was a bit smaller then. AMart's last season here were were #5. People are trying to convince me (or maybe themselves) that Raiola is a better passer than either of them, and I still ain't seeing it.
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I thought Casey Thompson was pretty solid myself. Dylan Raiola is probably a tick better, with a little more arm talent and improvisational throws. Dylan made the safe, short passes every quarterback makes and OCs rely on, but he also had some very sharp crossing pattern completions and end zone fades. He's a good QB and what if we just agree that he's one of the Top 20 qbs in the portal? That's neither too much hype nor too little.

These comparisons are really hard when so many players and coaches and play-callers are in the mix, but since you brought up Casey: what if Dylan Raiola had Trey Palmer? One NFL worthy wide-receiver he was totally in synch with? Could that single element have made a difference?
 
Mavric said:
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I know. Just missing college football as it was
 
I am I said:
By most standards Tommie Frazier, Eric Crouch and Scott Frost were bad QBs.

But they won games within the system they played in. They were great and all-time football players, if not good QBs…
I’ll take a a great football player who wins (Pavia, for example) over a statistical phenom any day. We just to want to freaking win. Dylan will not win because he plays like he’s at a 7v7 camp.
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By most standards you mean comparing 90's option QBs to expected stats of today's QBs not at a service academy?

By no measure back then were those QBs considered bad. None were highlight reel passers (though I never thought Frazier was as poor a passer as the national media seemed to believe), but they weren't expected to be.
 
hskrpwr13 said:
By most standards you mean comparing 90's option QBs to expected stats of today's QBs not at a service academy?

By no measure back then were those QBs considered bad. None were highlight reel passers (though I never thought Frazier was as poor a passer as the national media seemed to believe), but they weren't expected to be.
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He threw for less than 50% mostly to pretty wide open receivers. He was not good at throwing the ball.

The reality is that Dylan is definitely the best thrower of the ball we've had maybe ever, but at least since Zac Taylor/Joe Ganz, and probably the best quarterback we've had since Taylor Martinez' junior year. It's confusing but typical that our fanbase generally shits all over our most talented quarterbacks, and has such a cozy warm mythology about the more mediocre ones.
 
Lorewarn said:
He threw for less than 50% mostly to pretty wide open receivers. He was not good at throwing the ball.

The reality is that Dylan is definitely the best thrower of the ball we've had maybe ever, but at least since Zac Taylor/Joe Ganz, and probably the best quarterback we've had since Taylor Martinez' junior year. It's confusing but typical that our fanbase generally shits all over our most talented quarterbacks, and has such a cozy warm mythology about the more mediocre ones.
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If NIL was not a thing I feel fan reaction would be a little more subdued. Fact is he made a couple million while his family had a stranglehold on the program direction for 2 years and the moment Rhule puts a little bit of "hold on a sec" he suddenly needs a "fresh start"... I wish the guy best of luck wherever he goes but the juice was not worth the next 2 year squeeze imo.

Take the saved $ and go get top notch O and D line, you get that and Lateef will be just fine next year on O and D will ALWAYS be solid if you have studs up front
 
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