Dylan Raiola

[Archy1221]

Great point. Has absolutely nothing to do with my comment.

Hype naturally comes with getting 5 star or very high 4 star recruits. When you only get a few every couple of years and some don’t pan out doesn’t mean the “hype” was an issue in wins and losses. It means the very few highly rated players didn’t work out. However, when you get more than just 2 or 3 every few years and start getting 2-3 every year……..well then the hype translates to wins because some of them do work out each year which generally translates to good seasons year over year.

 

[Husker_In_WI]

NU just had big momentum from Marshall's interception. It was USC's first drive of the 2nd half. And Huskers leading.

It was Dylan that held the ball, and fumble/sacked. So DR was the reason we did not get points on that drive, and gave the momentum back to USC. And they started moving the ball and scoring.

His super arm could have launched the ball away before the sack happened if he was more aware of situational football.

It was a 3rd and 5. Yes the result of his slow-dance moves and brain freeze messed up his high ankle. Fumble. No points. USC ball.

We've seen it before, without the injury.

He absolutely should have gotten out of the pocket and thrown it away, but that whole play was a mess. It was a two man route, and one of the receivers got knocked down by a backpedaling defender. The other route was just a curl, nothing doing. There are many examples of him needing to make faster decisions and just throw the ball away (many of Minnesota's 9 sacks were directly on him), but he really wasn't the problem on that specific play. To the best of my timing ability, this is what it looked like 3 seconds after the snap, which is a reasonable time to wait for a play-action shot. Neither of the outlet TEs have even leaked out yet.




You've got a free rusher on the right, your LT and RB on the ground watching their guy run by on the left, your RT getting bullrushed in front of you, one receiver double covered and the other double covered and falling down. Tackle box is also just outside the hash, so a ways to go before he can just launch it into the stands. This play is up there on the list of worst overall plays by the entire team (including the playcaller), but Raiola's fault in it is pretty minimal IMO.

Again, he absolutely does hold the ball way too long and takes unnecessary sacks. Not sure what he was supposed to do on this specifc play though, he chooses to try and step up to buy space to get a throw off - that had a chance if Corcoran wasn't getting steamrolled. I don't think he makes it around the blitzer to get out of the pocket. Probably should have curled up in the fetal position here.

 

[Undone]

Man...you hate seeing both Pritchett and Johnson on the ground against one defender there. Ugh.

 

[307husker]

Sounds like Dayton ain't exactly getting much for NIL offers, certainly nothing compared to what he stood to make here.

Good. Sounds like the Raiola clan could use a little dose of humility.

 

[Lorewarn]

He absolutely should have gotten out of the pocket and thrown it away, but that whole play was a mess. It was a two man route, and one of the receivers got knocked down by a backpedaling defender. The other route was just a curl, nothing doing. There are many examples of him needing to make faster decisions and just throw the ball away (many of Minnesota's 9 sacks were directly on him), but he really wasn't the problem on that specific play. To the best of my timing ability, this is what it looked like 3 seconds after the snap, which is a reasonable time to wait for a play-action shot. Neither of the outlet TEs have even leaked out yet.
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You've got a free rusher on the right, your LT and RB on the ground watching their guy run by on the left, your RT getting bullrushed in front of you, one receiver double covered and the other double covered and falling down. Tackle box is also just outside the hash, so a ways to go before he can just launch it into the stands. This play is up there on the list of worst overall plays by the entire team (including the playcaller), but Raiola's fault in it is pretty minimal IMO.

Again, he absolutely does hold the ball way too long and takes unnecessary sacks. Not sure what he was supposed to do on this specifc play though, he chooses to try and step up to buy space to get a throw off - that had a chance if Corcoran wasn't getting steamrolled. I don't think he makes it around the blitzer to get out of the pocket. Probably should have curled up in the fetal position here.

These screenshots don't agree with my narrative or vibes so I will choose to ignore them!

 

[Red Five]

He absolutely should have gotten out of the pocket and thrown it away, but that whole play was a mess. It was a two man route, and one of the receivers got knocked down by a backpedaling defender. The other route was just a curl, nothing doing. There are many examples of him needing to make faster decisions and just throw the ball away (many of Minnesota's 9 sacks were directly on him), but he really wasn't the problem on that specific play. To the best of my timing ability, this is what it looked like 3 seconds after the snap, which is a reasonable time to wait for a play-action shot. Neither of the outlet TEs have even leaked out yet.
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You've got a free rusher on the right, your LT and RB on the ground watching their guy run by on the left, your RT getting bullrushed in front of you, one receiver double covered and the other double covered and falling down. Tackle box is also just outside the hash, so a ways to go before he can just launch it into the stands. This play is up there on the list of worst overall plays by the entire team (including the playcaller), but Raiola's fault in it is pretty minimal IMO.

Again, he absolutely does hold the ball way too long and takes unnecessary sacks. Not sure what he was supposed to do on this specifc play though, he chooses to try and step up to buy space to get a throw off - that had a chance if Corcoran wasn't getting steamrolled. I don't think he makes it around the blitzer to get out of the pocket. Probably should have curled up in the fetal position here.

Also it was a check from Dylan at the LOS. The play was called as a run, but Dylan changed it at the LOS based on the look USC gave him.

 

[Lorewarn]

Also it was a check from Dylan at the LOS. The play was called as a run, but Dylan changed it at the LOS based on the look USC gave him.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what are you basing this off of? Certainly not the game broadcast, which doesn't show the field until :15 left on the playclock and does not show Dylan doing anything other than sending a man in motion and snapping the ball.

1:14:18 here:

 

[Red Five]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what are you basing this off of? Certainly not the game broadcast, which doesn't show the field until :15 left on the playclock and does not show Dylan doing anything other than sending a man in motion and snapping the ball.

1:14:18 here:

Sam McKewon has said that he was told it was a check.

 

[Husker_In_WI]

Also it was a check from Dylan at the LOS. The play was called as a run, but Dylan changed it at the LOS based on the look USC gave him.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what are you basing this off of? Certainly not the game broadcast, which doesn't show the field until :15 left on the playclock and does not show Dylan doing anything other than sending a man in motion and snapping the ball.

1:14:18 here:

Pretty sure Holgorsen talked about regretting the playcall. But it's possible he called both a run and that PA pass and let Raiola decide which one at the line. Either way it wasn't a bad pre-snap look for PA, just everything after the snap was bad.

One Holgorsen/Shorts complaint I have is I think Barney could've been playing outside and not just in the slot. Key was fine but very slow, and I wonder if something as small as an actually fast receiver running that deep over would've helped.

 

[Husker03]

Looks like it was closer to 5 seconds until the defenders got there but it definitely went from seeming to be protected to a mess from the delayed blitz in an instant and there was nowhere to go with the ball. Should a QB be able to see that after 4 seconds and send the ball? Certainly you'd hope the non mobile "cerebral" types could.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

I agree with you but the DR injury was bad luck. I think we finish with 8 or 9 wins if he didn't get hurt. Still the same team with the same issues, but it would feel a bit different.

I dunno. It's hardly a given that Raiola would have rallied against USC and I don't think he makes much difference in the meltdowns against Penn State and Iowa. Dylan and the Huskers faded in the stretch last season against better teams, too, and that Minnesota loss with a healthy Dylan was pretty sobering. Agree that 8-5 was certainly possible and would have felt a bit better, but I don't know how much you could build off that if Dylan and others were already planning on leaving -- and I think they were.

 

[Husker_In_WI]

I dunno. It's hardly a given that Raiola would have rallied against USC and I don't think he makes much difference in the meltdowns against Penn State and Iowa. Dylan and the Huskers faded in the stretch last season against better teams, too, and that Minnesota loss with a healthy Dylan was pretty sobering. Agree that 8-5 was certainly possible and would have felt a bit better, but I don't know how much you could build off that if Dylan and others were already planning on leaving -- and I think they were.

It's hardly a given we would have had to rally if Raiola doesn't get hurt against USC. We were up 14-6, and even if you keep the fumble but assume Raiola stayed healthy USC didn't immediately score. We stopped them on downs, missed a field goal, gave up a TD, kicked a field goal. We did struggle in the red zone last year but were 2 for 2 with Raiola in that game. Not crazy to think one of those FG attempts is a TD instead.

Agreed on Penn State/Iowa, maybe we have more momentum or something but it's probably 37-20 and 40-23 or something like that instead.

 

[lo country]

Also it was a check from Dylan at the LOS. The play was called as a run, but Dylan changed it at the LOS based on the look USC gave him.

It might have been this call, but there seems to have been other games/comments not related to USC where rumors were Dylan was checking out of run calls.

 

[lo country]

Sounds like Dayton ain't exactly getting much for NIL offers, certainly nothing compared to what he stood to make here.

But does Rhule and Co take him back....

 

[Archy1221]

Looks like it was closer to 5 seconds until the defenders got there but it definitely went from seeming to be protected to a mess from the delayed blitz in an instant and there was nowhere to go with the ball. Should a QB be able to see that after 4 seconds and send the ball? Certainly you'd hope the non mobile "cerebral" types could.

Usually the last thing to develop with highly rated QB’s who have been good since the middle school and HS days is the ability to learn when a play is dead and just get rid of the ball. It’s the last thing rookie NFL QB’s figure out too.

These types of QB’s talent have been above their opponents talent level for so long that they are accustomed to extending plays and making something happen that it becomes habit. However, when the talent level starts to even out in college and the NFL it takes awhile for QB’s to figure out they don’t have the time and learn that throwing the ball away or escaping for 2-3 yards is a good play.

So the “cerebral” types (of which he is) have to fail at times to learn this too and I believe DR got a good lesson this year on the subject and will probably be better next year at it.