Dylan Raiola

[Husker_In_WI]

It might have been this call, but there seems to have been other games/comments not related to USC where rumors were Dylan was checking out of run calls.

I do not doubt the majority of those 1 v 1 sideline fades that I don't think we ever completed were checks from Dylan.

 

[307husker]

My suspiscion, based on many indirect comments by coaches, is that there were many things done to benefit the DR at the expense of the N.

 

[Red Five]

It might have been this call, but there seems to have been other games/comments not related to USC where rumors were Dylan was checking out of run calls.

I don't think they are rumors. I think he had the liberty to check based on defensive look.

Against MN we had 3 pass plays on our first drive and then punted. I recall Rhule stating after the game that DR checked into at least 1 pass and the WR didn't get the call because the WRs were blocking when DR dropped back (and ended up taking a sack).

 

[admo]

He absolutely should have gotten out of the pocket and thrown it away, but that whole play was a mess. It was a two man route, and one of the receivers got knocked down by a backpedaling defender. The other route was just a curl, nothing doing. There are many examples of him needing to make faster decisions and just throw the ball away (many of Minnesota's 9 sacks were directly on him), but he really wasn't the problem on that specific play. To the best of my timing ability, this is what it looked like 3 seconds after the snap, which is a reasonable time to wait for a play-action shot. Neither of the outlet TEs have even leaked out yet.
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You've got a free rusher on the right, your LT and RB on the ground watching their guy run by on the left, your RT getting bullrushed in front of you, one receiver double covered and the other double covered and falling down. Tackle box is also just outside the hash, so a ways to go before he can just launch it into the stands. This play is up there on the list of worst overall plays by the entire team (including the playcaller), but Raiola's fault in it is pretty minimal IMO.

Again, he absolutely does hold the ball way too long and takes unnecessary sacks. Not sure what he was supposed to do on this specifc play though, he chooses to try and step up to buy space to get a throw off - that had a chance if Corcoran wasn't getting steamrolled. I don't think he makes it around the blitzer to get out of the pocket. Probably should have curled up in the fetal position here.

The play design was fine.

It was basic Man coverage with no safety help over the top.

Instead of throwing it to the WR (Hunter?), he hesitated too long and then walked into the sack.

Exhibit A: play design - man coverage outside - 2 safety up top
Exhibit B: 2 safeties approach forward - no help behind them
Exhibit C: Clean Pocket - Basic read single coverage (Hunter?)
Exhibit D: Clean Pocket - still waiting to throw - why?
Exhibit E: Clean Pocket - No safety help - man on man - fire it!
Exhibit F: QB hesitated for no reason - doesn't pull the trigger. Instead of making the throw, QB steps into the pocket. Defender approaches QB same time
Exhibit G: Uh-Ohh... QB see pressure face to face
Exhibit H: Uh-Ohh... Pressure everywhere.

This is a basic read, by understanding coverage, and quick decision making. Man coverage. Get ball out quickly. Don't take an unnecessary sack. Overthrow if you have to. Throw a moon shot. Draw a DPI. Give the WR an opportunity to make a play.

 

[admo]

Also it was a check from Dylan at the LOS. The play was called as a run, but Dylan changed it at the LOS based on the look USC gave him.

Safeties cheated and bit on the fake. To be honest, it was a great read/decision by DR to pass it there. Problem is he did not take advantage of it and pass it to WR like he should have. I feel he has always struggled against man coverage (decision making and pass placement). And that is a basic requirement for NFL QBs.

 

[Undone]

One Holgorsen/Shorts complaint I have is I think Barney could've been playing outside and not just in the slot.

Yes, great callout there. There's definitely a "what could have been" if we could have tried Barney running post routes or super deep slants.

 

[Undone]

Against MN we had 3 pass plays on our first drive and then punted. I recall Rhule stating after the game that DR checked into at least 1 pass and the WR didn't get the call because the WRs were blocking when DR dropped back (and ended up taking a sack).

I gotta be honest - I still put quite a bit on the coaches though.

 

[Hilltop]

I gotta be honest though - I still put this on the coaches way more than Dylan. He still gets plenty of blame, though.

Not saying that you're claiming this at all, but if they didn't realize he had a propensity for doing this crap prior to that high-stakes Minnesota game, that's just bad.

Terrible take IMO. We were 5-1 going into the Minnesota game with our only loss being by 3 points to a then ranked Michigan team because of our leaky run defense. There were NO reasons to make many offensive changes at that point.

 

[Undone]

Terrible take IMO. We were 5-1 going into the Minnesota game with our only loss being by 3 points to a then ranked Michigan team because of our leaky run defense. There were NO reasons to make many offensive changes at that point.

Yeah maybe you're right.

It's just super frustrating that Emmett wound up with only 14 carries against Minnesota. If that number had been 30, I feel confident that we win that game.

The line took a lot of flak for that game's result, the coaches took a lot of flak, and Raiola deserves some also - but we had the #2 Power 4 conference back in the country and we should have fed him the ball over and over as the default option until they stopped it.

 

[Hilltop]

Yeah maybe you're right.

It's just super frustrating that Emmett wound up with only 14 carries against Minnesota. If that number had been 30, I feel confident that we win that game.

The line took a lot of flak for that game's result, the coaches took a lot of flak, and Raiola deserves some also - but we had the #2 Power 4 conference back in the country and we should have fed him the ball over and over as the default option until they stopped it.

That part is frustrating... and partly on DR. I just don't think the coaches should shoulder a lot of the blame for the game plan because what we had been doing was working. We were averaging over 27 points per game (removed the two cupcakes) against equal competition going into that game. Overall, we were averaging 41 points per game. I do think we should have adjusted more at half time but, in a 7-6 game, you typically don't abandon your game plan.

 

[Undone]

That part is frustrating... and partly on DR. I just don't think the coaches should shoulder a lot of the blame for the game plan because what we had been doing was working. We were averaging over 27 points per game (removed the two cupcakes) against equal competition going into that game. Overall, we were averaging 41 points per game. I do think we should have adjusted more at half time but, in a 7-6 game, you typically don't abandon your game plan.

I won't beat this one to death, last post on this train of thought. But one of the things I said about this right after the Minnesota game was that the coaches could have totally reacted quicker and made solid changes before halftime to get the offense back on track.

So the thing you're saying can be true (that what we were doing prior to that game wasn't broken so nothing needed to be fixed), and it can probably also be true that the coaches can and should adjust a bit quicker instead of showing up to the post-game press conference with their hands in the air essentially just saying "yeah he audibled quite a bit; what are you going to do" or "well we just weren't pass blocking well."

Like...make in-game adjustments when what you're doing isn't working. I don't think it matters why something wasn't working, the idea is the need to adjust quicker.

 

[Husker_In_WI]

The play design was fine.

It was basic Man coverage with no safety help over the top.

Instead of throwing it to the WR (Hunter?), he hesitated too long and then walked into the sack.

Exhibit A: play design - man coverage outside - 2 safety up top
Exhibit B: 2 safeties approach forward - no help behind them
Exhibit C: Clean Pocket - Basic read single coverage (Hunter?)
Exhibit D: Clean Pocket - still waiting to throw - why?
Exhibit E: Clean Pocket - No safety help - man on man - fire it!
Exhibit F: QB hesitated for no reason - doesn't pull the trigger. Instead of making the throw, QB steps into the pocket. Defender approaches QB same time
Exhibit G: Uh-Ohh... QB see pressure face to face
Exhibit H: Uh-Ohh... Pressure everywhere.

This is a basic read, by understanding coverage, and quick decision making. Man coverage. Get ball out quickly. Don't take an unnecessary sack. Overthrow if you have to. Throw a moon shot. Draw a DPI. Give the WR an opportunity to make a play.

When?! Screenshots without showing the receivers are meaningless.

Watch this view, Hunter is not open until the pressure is already there. It's a pick six if he throws it right as Hunter comes out of his break. I think Key is the receiver you're talking about running right to left across the field, and he hasn't even broken across the field when your exhibit says Raiola should have thrown it. If he doesn't get knocked down maybe you can just loft this up to the goal line, but he does get knocked down.


Hunter is just out of his break here, and there is no window to throw:


Hunter does a good job of working inside to uncover himself, but at that point Raiola has already been hit. And with guys unblocked from each edge and Corcoran losing ground up the middle, I don't think "just buy more time!" is valid here.

 

[BaytownHusker]

I don't think they are rumors. I think he had the liberty to check based on defensive look.

Against MN we had 3 pass plays on our first drive and then punted. I recall Rhule stating after the game that DR checked into at least 1 pass and the WR didn't get the call because the WRs were blocking when DR dropped back (and ended up taking a sack).

But thats the O-lines fault right...

 

[BaytownHusker]

Yes, great callout there. There's definitely a "what could have been" if we could have tried Barney running post routes or super deep slants.

You mean the Same Barney they hyped up all Summer long, Had Tank Dell here talking about how good he looked and expected Tank Dell type production... The Same Barney NU couldnt even supply pants to pit the guy right all year .

Oh yeah that Same Barney well you know.

 

[Archy1221]

When?! Screenshots without showing the receivers are meaningless.

Watch this view, Hunter is not open until the pressure is already there. It's a pick six if he throws it right as Hunter comes out of his break. I think Key is the receiver you're talking about running right to left across the field, and he hasn't even broken across the field when your exhibit says Raiola should have thrown it. If he doesn't get knocked down maybe you can just loft this up to the goal line, but he does get knocked down.


Hunter is just out of his break here, and there is no window to throw:
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Hunter does a good job of working inside to uncover himself, but at that point Raiola has already been hit. And with guys unblocked from each edge and Corcoran losing ground up the middle, I don't think "just buy more time!" is valid here.

From a ref standpoint, shoulda been holding on USC or illegal contact. Due has his hands on Hunter way past five yards and impedes his progress at 10 yards.

Do we know what route break he was running (post, dig, etc). Cause a try post pattern would have been fine to throw given the safety wasn’t over the top. Did route a different story and would be throwing into coverage.