Have people forgotten?

[Enhance]

Really? I didn't know one of the most dominant Blackshirt defenses ever assembled is considered "parts car on blocks".

Pelini inherited plenty of underachieving talent that he got to work on, and yes, he got them playing great.

But what now? We have regressed since '09. At 5 years, I think we can stop talking about what Pelini inherited as a valid excuse. Time to be a realist.

Being a realist means you accurately reflect how things really are, and I feel your view is slightly misrepresented. Consider all the challenges Pelini has had to overcome.

-A fan base that was torn, a culture that was partially ruined, and a team full of dejected/poorly coached players.

-A couple of months to scrap together the best recruiting class he can.

-Conference realignment.

-The "reassigning" of your offensive coordinator, wide receivers coach, and a handful of other coaches.

-A hushed up problem with your brother, Carl Pelini.

-Constant media, university, and fan base scrutiny.

-A parent dying.

-Need I say more?

These challenges may seem minor when you read them, but some are monstrous if you really think about them. And this is a first time head coach we're talking about. Not a guy who started at Podunk Metropolitan and worked his way up. Pelini was fully aware of some of the hurdles he would face at Nebraska on top of being a first time head coach, but he's not Tom Osborne and he certainly didn't take over the program in a similar fashion. Unfortunately, he and every coach after him will be compared to Osborne. These reasons will not keep Pelini off the hot seat indefinitely, but they're good enough for me to give him some more time to work things out.

 

['SkersRule]

These challenges may seem minor when you read them, but some are monstrous if you really think about them. And this is a first time head coach we're talking about. Not a guy who started at Podunk Metropolitan and worked his way up. Pelini was fully aware of some of the hurdles he would face at Nebraska on top of being a first time head coach, but he's not Tom Osborne and he certainly didn't take over the program in a similar fashion. Unfortunately, he and every coach after him will be compared to Osborne. These reasons will not keep Pelini off the hot seat indefinitely, but they're good enough for me to give him some more time to work things out.

And there you go making "excuses."

 

[Enhance]

And there you go making "excuses."

I will end you.

 

['SkersRule]

And there you go making "excuses."

I will end you.

Promises, promises. :lol:

 

[Power-I]

Really? I didn't know one of the most dominant Blackshirt defenses ever assembled is considered "parts car on blocks".

Pelini inherited plenty of underachieving talent that he got to work on, and yes, he got them playing great.

But what now? We have regressed since '09. At 5 years, I think we can stop talking about what Pelini inherited as a valid excuse. Time to be a realist.

Being a realist means you accurately reflect how things really are, and I feel your view is slightly misrepresented. Consider all the challenges Pelini has had to overcome.

-A fan base that was torn, a culture that was partially ruined, and a team full of dejected/poorly coached players.

-A couple of months to scrap together the best recruiting class he can.

-Conference realignment.

-The "reassigning" of your offensive coordinator, wide receivers coach, and a handful of other coaches.

-A hushed up problem with your brother, Carl Pelini.

-Constant media, university, and fan base scrutiny.

-A parent dying.

-Need I say more?

These challenges may seem minor when you read them, but some are monstrous if you really think about them. And this is a first time head coach we're talking about. Not a guy who started at Podunk Metropolitan and worked his way up. Pelini was fully aware of some of the hurdles he would face at Nebraska on top of being a first time head coach, but he's not Tom Osborne and he certainly didn't take over the program in a similar fashion. Unfortunately, he and every coach after him will be compared to Osborne. These reasons will not keep Pelini off the hot seat indefinitely, but they're good enough for me to give him some more time to work things out.

This board is insane. Not only have I stated that I think Pelini is a tremendous teacher and schemer, my critique of him hasn't even been particularly harsh. If this board is only for sunshine pumpers, I understand, and I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

But I don't see why the smallest critique of Pelini is met with anger. OF COURSE he has done plenty right. He also has several questions about his ability to lead a big time program (as many have stated themselves, this is his first head job. We have NO WAY to know if this "process" he is running works AT ALL). But if you want to turn a blind eye to them, so you can sleep better at night, be my guest.

I guess I'll go back to being a lurker, because clearly no one wants to have an honest discussion about both his pros and his CONS.

 

[Enhance]

This board is insane. Not only have I stated that I think Pelini is a tremendous teacher and schemer, my critique of him hasn't even been particularly harsh. If this board is only for sunshine pumpers, I understand, and I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

But I don't see why the smallest critique of Pelini is met with anger. OF COURSE he has done plenty right. He also has several questions about his ability to lead a big time program (as many have stated themselves, this is his first head job. We have NO WAY to know if this "process" he is running works AT ALL). But if you want to turn a blind eye to them, so you can sleep better at night, be my guest.

I guess I'll go back to being a lurker, because clearly no one wants to have an honest discussion about both his pros and his CONS.

What anger are you referring to? Nothing about my post was demeaning or rude. I gave my impressions on why I believed your stance to be misguided - what's wrong about that, exactly?

It isn't sunshine pumping, it's being a "realist", which is what you suggested so many of us do. Furthermore, I don't see a single person here who won't admit that Pelini has flaws, but exactly are you expecting? Your post I replied to was mostly negative in nature, so I merely pointed out why I think Pelini has those flaws you spoke of, which naturally means were were having an "honest discussion about his pros and cons". I did not say you were wrong.

If you want people to understand your opinions, then you need to substantiate them better. You said we've regressed and Pelini needs to be better - I agree with you, but spoke about why he might have regressed the last couple seasons. This isn't turning a blind eye, and I don't appreciate your insinuation.

 

[Power-I]

This board is insane. Not only have I stated that I think Pelini is a tremendous teacher and schemer, my critique of him hasn't even been particularly harsh. If this board is only for sunshine pumpers, I understand, and I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

But I don't see why the smallest critique of Pelini is met with anger. OF COURSE he has done plenty right. He also has several questions about his ability to lead a big time program (as many have stated themselves, this is his first head job. We have NO WAY to know if this "process" he is running works AT ALL). But if you want to turn a blind eye to them, so you can sleep better at night, be my guest.

I guess I'll go back to being a lurker, because clearly no one wants to have an honest discussion about both his pros and his CONS.

What anger are you referring to? Nothing about my post was demeaning or rude. I gave my impressions on why I believed your stance to be misguided - what's wrong about that, exactly?

It isn't sunshine pumping, it's being a "realist", which is what you suggested so many of us do. Furthermore, I don't see a single person here who won't admit that Pelini has flaws, but exactly are you expecting? Your post I replied to was mostly negative in nature, so I merely pointed out why I think Pelini has those flaws you spoke of, which naturally means were were having an "honest discussion about his pros and cons". I did not say you were wrong.

If you want people to understand your opinions, then you need to substantiate them better. You said we've regressed and Pelini needs to be better - I agree with you, but spoke about why he might have regressed the last couple seasons. This isn't turning a blind eye, and I don't appreciate your insinuation.

Sorry, i quoted you since you were the last response, but I should make clear most of my post was not pointed directly at you, but at the thread as a whole. Look back at some of the responses.

 

[Enhance]

This board is insane. Not only have I stated that I think Pelini is a tremendous teacher and schemer, my critique of him hasn't even been particularly harsh. If this board is only for sunshine pumpers, I understand, and I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

But I don't see why the smallest critique of Pelini is met with anger. OF COURSE he has done plenty right. He also has several questions about his ability to lead a big time program (as many have stated themselves, this is his first head job. We have NO WAY to know if this "process" he is running works AT ALL). But if you want to turn a blind eye to them, so you can sleep better at night, be my guest.

I guess I'll go back to being a lurker, because clearly no one wants to have an honest discussion about both his pros and his CONS.

What anger are you referring to? Nothing about my post was demeaning or rude. I gave my impressions on why I believed your stance to be misguided - what's wrong about that, exactly?

It isn't sunshine pumping, it's being a "realist", which is what you suggested so many of us do. Furthermore, I don't see a single person here who won't admit that Pelini has flaws, but exactly are you expecting? Your post I replied to was mostly negative in nature, so I merely pointed out why I think Pelini has those flaws you spoke of, which naturally means were were having an "honest discussion about his pros and cons". I did not say you were wrong.

If you want people to understand your opinions, then you need to substantiate them better. You said we've regressed and Pelini needs to be better - I agree with you, but spoke about why he might have regressed the last couple seasons. This isn't turning a blind eye, and I don't appreciate your insinuation.

Sorry, i quoted you since you were the last response, but I should make clear most of my post was not pointed directly at you, but at the thread as a whole. Look back at some of the responses.

I have. I think you took a little heat because posters believed you didn't understand why Pelini's teams have struggled. Naturally, most people on here are going to be a bit defensive if they believe someone doesn't have a grasp of the whole picture, and this is my guess as to what's happening. Nothing more or less than miscommunication.

Pelini deserves to be questioned because he's the head football coach at Nebraska and gets paid millions of dollars to coach a sport. His teams have consistency and focus issues, lose games they shouldn't, the offensive line lacks depth and consistency, we've lost promising players, we had to play less talented guys last year because more athletically gifted players weren't grasping our schemes, etc. You name a complaint and I'll probably agree with you.

That said, I also like to buffer my complaints because it's not my job; and, quite honestly, I couldn't do it near as well as Pelini. This doesn't mean we can't question and criticize, but it also doesn't mean we should ask all these questions without taking into account certain unfortunate events that have happened. That's just my two cents, at least.

 

[tschu]

One correction: It was demonstrably false when I said no one was up in arms. tschu is up in arms, but that has little to do with you. He's always up in arms.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT I'M NOT UP IN ARMS

 

[NUance]

This board is insane. Not only have I stated that I think Pelini is a tremendous teacher and schemer, my critique of him hasn't even been particularly harsh. If this board is only for sunshine pumpers, I understand, and I won't let the door hit me on the way out.
But I don't see why the smallest critique of Pelini is met with anger. OF COURSE he has done plenty right. He also has several questions about his ability to lead a big time program (as many have stated themselves, this is his first head job. We have NO WAY to know if this "process" he is running works AT ALL). But if you want to turn a blind eye to them, so you can sleep better at night, be my guest.

I guess I'll go back to being a lurker, because clearly no one wants to have an honest discussion about both his pros and his CONS.

Oh come on. This is a message board. About football. You can’t expect everyone to step in line and agree with everything you have to say. If you don’t like the responses you are getting, then put on your big boy pants and show them the error of their ways. Instead of threatening to storm out in a huff.

For what it’s worth, I agree with some of what you’ve said above. And I doubt that there are any HB posters who would hold Pelini up as a perfect coach. He has flaws. But he seems to have the team generally headed in the right direction. I hope.

Oh yeah, welcome to the HB. :thumbs :

 

[Power-I]

This board is insane. Not only have I stated that I think Pelini is a tremendous teacher and schemer, my critique of him hasn't even been particularly harsh. If this board is only for sunshine pumpers, I understand, and I won't let the door hit me on the way out.
But I don't see why the smallest critique of Pelini is met with anger. OF COURSE he has done plenty right. He also has several questions about his ability to lead a big time program (as many have stated themselves, this is his first head job. We have NO WAY to know if this "process" he is running works AT ALL). But if you want to turn a blind eye to them, so you can sleep better at night, be my guest.

I guess I'll go back to being a lurker, because clearly no one wants to have an honest discussion about both his pros and his CONS.

Oh come on. This is a message board. About football. You can’t expect everyone to step in line and agree with everything you have to say. If you don’t like the responses you are getting, then put on your big boy pants and show them the error of their ways. Instead of threatening to storm out in a huff.

For what it’s worth, I agree with some of what you’ve said above. And I doubt that there are any HB posters who would hold Pelini up as a perfect coach. He has flaws. But he seems to have the team generally headed in the right direction. I hope.

Oh yeah, welcome to the HB. :thumbs :

Well I've been lurking here for 5 years, but thanks for the welcome anyway.

Where did i say I expected everyone to agree with everything I said? I made a few critiques of Pelini and was given the wrath of the message board.

It appears you've been here for a couple years yourself, surely you know how message boards work. Do you really think some facts supporting a dissenting view (uh, which I presented in my very first post in this thread, btw) are met with clear thought and intelligent retort? Hilarious.

 

[tschu]

Power-I, if you were Nebraska's AD right now, what is your play?

 

[Enhance]

Well I've been lurking here for 5 years, but thanks for the welcome anyway.

Where did i say I expected everyone to agree with everything I said? I made a few critiques of Pelini and was given the wrath of the message board.

It appears you've been here for a couple years yourself, surely you know how message boards work. Do you really think some facts supporting a dissenting view (uh, which I presented in my very first post in this thread, btw) are met with clear thought and intelligent retort? Hilarious.

I believe NUance's point is it's better to support your argument than proclaim everyone is insane and threaten to not post any more. Most of the responses I've read towards you have been logical and they've explained their opinion, which is exactly what you claim you did.

You've said you think Pelini has done good things, but he also has room for criticisms - we've all agreed with you. That should be the end of it.

It doesn't matter. Move on.

 

[kchusker_chris]

Amukamara was a nobody and Suh was wholly unremarkable before Pelini came in. I remember vividly watching Suh getting put on his a$$ against USC in 2007. Dillard and Asante were garbage.

Sorry, to perpetuate the narrative that Bo just waltzed into a loaded defense is to ignore what was really going on around here.

One correction: It was demonstrably false when I said no one was up in arms. tschu is up in arms, but that has little to do with you. He's always up in arms.

They were also sophomores. We have plenty of "wholly unremarkable" sophomores on this team that we are counting on stepping up this year as juniors. He wasn't spectacular in 08' either. Nothing like 09'. Suh without a doubt was made into one hell of a football player under Pelini, but who knows where he would have gone without him too. Point is, Bo had the talent on stock to do what he did. We'll find out in the next couple of years how much credit the recruiters deserve for 09'/10' now that Pelini is depending wholly on his own guys.