H2h

Agree completely. It's been a wild and satisfying close to the 2020 class.

I know it's popular to say that certain recruits are overrated when they commit elsewhere, but if I didn't know his ranking and just saw the tape I would never think he was a .93 composite. No expert by any means, but doesn't look that fast nor explosive. Butler and especially Greene look much more dynamic on film to me.

1 hour ago, lo country said:

He did inherit a much better situation:

10-4

12-1

9-4

0-12

Then he went 6-7 and 13-0

 

 

Yeah I just looked and UCF has had 5 dudes drafted that played on Frost's undefeated team there. He definitely inherited some talent.

And 4 of the 5 were drafted after the 2017 season, meaning UCF lost 4 NFL players and still were able to go unbeaten the following regular season with a new coach.

4 minutes ago, Stumpy1 said:

I think his second season at UCF is an anomaly and he is an average coach at best.  He hasn't shown anything in his two years here that makes me think otherwise.  

It was also a little concerning to me when UCF didn't miss a beat the year following Frost.

15 hours ago, Mavric said:

Or Wan'Dale blocked it correctly and Mills screwed it up...

 

Mills clearly screwed up the block but there was an adjustment. The TE is off the LOS in the 2nd play, and allows him to get to the 2nd level much cleaner. The Indiana DE engaged the TE before the LT in the first play which helped maintain outside leverage and muddied things up. 

 

1 minute ago, WyoHusker56 said:

 

Wisconsin's defense scores more points than we did. Their offense only scored 10. 

Thanks, just corrected it.

1 hour ago, Mavric said:

We had 3 more rushing yards against Northwestern than Wisconsin did last week

We had 73 more passing yards against Northwestern than Wisconsin did last week

We had 76 more total yards against Northwestern than Wisconsin did last week

Our offense scored 3 more points against Northwestern than Wisconsin's did last week

What's your point? UNLV, MSU, and Stanford all gained more yards and scored more points than we did against NW.

On 9/23/2019 at 2:11 AM, The Dude said:

I'm just going to say it.  He looks to be our best runningback.

Completely agree. At WR he's just a really good athlete that still needs to rely on the QB (who has some vision issues) to get him the ball. In the backfield I dare say he makes opposing D's feel the strain.

 

14 minutes ago, Decoy73 said:

What strong language?  IIRC he stated a successful season for NU  would be to make a bowl game. This is in year 3 of a coaches tenure and MR finally having his QB in T.Lee. That’s was pretty damning. I’m not saying he came out and predicted his firing. 

He said that in year 2. Year 3 he said it was the best Nebraska practice he had seen, either staff. He was way off both years.

2 hours ago, Blackshirt316 said:

This team has more talent than every team on that schedule everyone is worried about except Ohio State an Michigan. (And in reality Michigan is not much more talented than Nebraska.)

 

 

 

 

If we're going by recruiting rankings Michigan is far and away more talented than us. They have 20 guys since 2015 that were ranked .94 or better. We have 5. Eric Lee, L Jackson, Raridon, Tyjon, and AMart. Not only do they get way more 4 and 5 star players than us, they get higher caliber 4 star guys to go with it. 

2 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Eh.  I'd say barely having played corner before getting to college is most of it.  He should be playing offense.

 

I no fan of Diaco's but it's not like he was lighting the world on fire under Banker either. 

Just curious why you say offense? He was ranked as a safety by 3/4 of the recruiting services. I don't think I ever watched his offensive highlights, what'd he play on that side of the ball?

44 minutes ago, unlfan said:

If this were a fantasy wish list, he would be in my top 3.

 

But, he's already making 4 mil per year at his alma mater which happens to be a much better gig than Nebraska.

 

It isn't going to happen.

Stanford lost to SDSU this year while being out gained 353-254 and out first-downed 21-10. NIU lost to SDSU this year while out gaining SDSU 417-263 with a 22-10 first downs advantage (the difference was NIU threw a pick-6). So if NIU is a horrible loss for us, then what is Stanford losing to SDSU? Or perhaps both NIU and SDSU are pretty good football teams.

2 hours ago, teachercd said:

Josh M would be about as amazing hire as you could get.  But I don't see it happening.  

But don't you hate statue QB's? I imagine that's exactly what you'd get from an NFL coach. 

You still high on Gary Anderson?

Does Lee always turn to his left when handing the ball off? That third play in particular looked like if he turns to his right we at least hit for positive yardage. The play was very slow to develop by turning left. Is that by design football experts or did he turn the wrong way? (Same can be said for the 2nd play, but that looked to be more of by design to me?)

 

Also it looks like play number two would have hit for a gain if the TE/WR at the top of the screen blocks it the same way he did in play number one. I can see no reason why he did what he did on the second play. 

2 hours ago, teachercd said:

Riley left that place a mess.  There is a reason he was all of a sudden so happy/quick to leave after allegedly turning down USC and his Bama.

Hey coachd! Weird that you registered to an OSU board just to hate on Riley there too. Did you actually start the phrase "Mediocre Mike?" Looks like most of them don't think he's so mediocre now.

 

I wouldn't call Ameer a big bruising back and I wouldn't call Burkhead a fast agile back.

Ameer could run between the tackles with the best of them. Lower leg strength was off the charts.

 

Rex lacked top end speed but had plenty of quick/shifty on the outside.

 

Unless you are speaking purely from a measurables standpoint.

 

Agree with you completely Warrior. Ameer hit a hole harder than most backs I've ever seen. He was a cannon ball between the tackles.

 

And I still think people underrate Rex's athleticism because, ya know, hes white. Rex nearly always made the first man miss. In his draft class at the combine he was ranked as follows among ~35 RB's:

 

Vertical Jump, 2nd

Broad Jump, 2nd

3 Cone Drill, 4th

20 YD Shuttle, 2nd

60 YD Shuttle, 5th

 

That's a combine with Gio Bernard, CJ Anderson, Montee Ball, LeVeon Bell, Kenjon Barner, Knile Davis, Christine Michael, Theo Riddick, Andre Ellington, etc.

And that's my off-topic message for the month.

 

 

I took Matty's comment as we only have room to add one more big fish in this recruiting class because the room is already so full of talented players. Not that we only have one big fish in the room already. Could be wrong

 

I like our secondary, but it's nowhere close to being to talented to bring any any of the guys we're currently after.... Especially Johnson, Lenoir, and Blades.

 

I'm not trying to belabor the comment...it just doesn't make sense. We have multiple 4 star players already in the room. We also, are looking at wanting to bring in two of the big recruits still on our board if we can.

 

 

Most of our 4 star DB's were listed as safeties by the majority of the recruiting sites - Jackson, Dismuke, Anderson. As far as I can tell, Eric Lee is the only 4 star that was listed as a CB by all the sites. So I certainly don't think were overloaded with natural CB talent.

 

Texas 2009.

 

2006 even more, for me anyway

I assume that was the Nunn fumble after getting the first down to seal the game? If so completely agree. Unpopular opinion alert, but I don't really understand why fans get so mad about 09, it was the right call, regardless of the reason it was made.

 

It's almost like we had a bunch more defensive talent in 09 and 10 and maybe the dichotomy had very little to do with Bo or coaching and maybe had something to do with a man named Suh. It's really more logical that maybe Bo is not the defensive genius some profess him to be. If that were even close to the truth, how in the hell did he manage to set so many defensive futility marks here? I'd listen to other explanations......

 

 

Tons of teams, even yearly, have had the same levels of talent across the board on their defenses and not gotten anywhere close to the level of dominance of that unit. You can accredit all of that to Suh if you'd like, but I don't know how you can get past remembering that a ton of our quarterbacks and hurries were coverage sacks due to blanket coverage, which still continued after Suh was no longer on the roster. The 2010 defense was still pretty damn dominant and borderline elite, and even after that, we always led the nation in passing efficiency defense despite poor defensive line play (and no, it wasn't because teams had so much success running the ball that they didn't HAVE to pass on us).

 

Things like holding 2011 Michigan State to 3 points, 2012 Wisconsin (the first time) to 56 yards rushing, and others still happened after the fact.

 

How in the hell did he manage to set so many defensive futility marks here? I don't know. That's what's fascinating. I have no idea how to reconcile the two realities, because chalking up the entirety of the really good reality to a roster with NFL players seems way too ridiculously simple to cover it. That 2009 defense was not the most talented defense in the entirety of college football in the last 15 years by a long shot, Suh or no Suh, but it was right around the most dominant. That doesn't just happen with a mediocre neanderthal of a defensive coach.

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry but when people try to still claim that he was some kind of defensive genius/guru, all I can do is laugh and question the intelligence of the person making such a claim.

 

 

 

You can laugh and question people's intelligence all you want, but you're finding comfort in a very broad and simplistic answer to a question/situation that likely has a ton of nuance, so I'd think you have your own head in the sand more than you think.

 

LOMS, I agree with most of what you're saying, I just think you might be selling the rest of that 09 and 10 defense short. 09 of course had the once in a generation player, but behind him was an NFL LB in Dillard. Then 4 NFL DB's in Prince, Fonzie, Gomes, and Hagg. I think one of the D-ends even got drafted but could be wrong. Asante too if he was on that D can't recall right now.

 

2010 Still had those 4 DB's, another NFL starter in Crick, and in my opinion a once in a generation LB in Lavonte David. Has anyone been following David's career, by some football metric stat he has been by far the best run stopping LB in the NFL and gets an inordinate amount of TFL's for a guy that rarely rushes the QB.

 

 

 

 

 

Nobody is giving the staff a free pass like you and a few others keep saying.

 

Um...

What’s the Huskers’ record? I don’t know. And, frankly, don’t care.

 

Then what do you call that?

Is that the same thing as giving the team a free pass? I don't know, you tell me. He talks the whole article about expecting improvement on fundamentals, technique, and overall quality of football. Doesn't sound like a free pass to me? Just sounds like he's more focused on quality of football over quantity of wins in this first season, but you can and will make whether you want out of one sentence in an article instead of hearing the poi t of the article as awhile. It is you're right to do so and from your stance on things, I'm not surprised that you did.

Bo's gone folks. He ain't comin' back, and soon I think you'll be glad of that, just not soon enough.

First, you can quit with the Bo lover fallacy. Just because people aren't 100% drinking the Kool-aid doesn't mean they want Bo back. It weakens your argument.

 

Second, this isn't a rebuilding job (or season) and any expectation or approval of such is in fact, a "free pass" for the season. I expect the offense to be top 20 offense (if TCU can bring in a new OC and jump 101 spots, we can stay top 20), and the defense to be top 40 (goodbye Bo). With this schedule, I think 10 regular season wins and a trip to the CCG should be in order.

How about your "we can't fire a 9 win coach" fallacy. You were the captain of that train.

Actually, what I said, was that it wouldn't go over well in the national media, and that people would question whether or not the fanbase would have realistic expectations. If you had spent any time on the board in the last 7 months, you'd know my thoughts on firing Pelini.

That's bs. You stated outright many times it wasn't going to happen to a nine win coach until the Wisconsin debacle part tres. I remember someone asking you pre-Iowa game about your opinion of firing him if we won because of your long held stance of the sacred 9. You said something to the effect of there's no way NU was going to win that game.

 

 

 

Nobody is giving the staff a free pass like you and a few others keep saying.

Um...

 

What’s the Huskers’ record? I don’t know. And, frankly, don’t care.

Then what do you call that?

Is that the same thing as giving the team a free pass? I don't know, you tell me. He talks the whole article about expecting improvement on fundamentals, technique, and overall quality of football. Doesn't sound like a free pass to me? Just sounds like he's more focused on quality of football over quantity of wins in this first season, but you can and will make whether you want out of one sentence in an article instead of hearing the poi t of the article as awhile. It is you're right to do so and from your stance on things, I'm not surprised that you did.

 

Bo's gone folks. He ain't comin' back, and soon I think you'll be glad of that, just not soon enough.

 

First, you can quit with the Bo lover fallacy. Just because people aren't 100% drinking the Kool-aid doesn't mean they want Bo back. It weakens your argument.

 

Second, this isn't a rebuilding job (or season) and any expectation or approval of such is in fact, a "free pass" for the season. I expect the offense to be top 20 offense (if TCU can bring in a new OC and jump 101 spots, we can stay top 20), and the defense to be top 40 (goodbye Bo). With this schedule, I think 10 regular season wins and a trip to the CCG should be in order.

 

How about your "we can't fire a 9 win coach" fallacy. You were the captain of that train.

You let me know LOMS if I need to waste any more of my time re-living what a nightmare it's been.....

 

Again, there's some good in there too and this whole thing is simplifying a very complex process between QB play and coaching. This is what you asked for though. You asked for specific examples of the offensive line playing a huge role in losses. These are examples.

Please don't forget VaTech 2009. First and goal on about the 5? We ended up punting.

No one probably agrees, but I still think Fonzie was the best of the bunch. He had more edge than Prince, which showed on the field.

I agree completely

I'm still reeling from someone describing Erwin Swiney as one of the best CB's at NU in a long time. Like, do people watch the games?