Badger_HB

Ridiculous... this was a modern day witch hunt fueled by careless media making a lot of assumptions and suppositions with no real basis on factual evidence - that the BoT fired Paterno is not surprising given the rumors they've been trying to oust him for years, but fervor for which "we" were clamoring for his firing to "punish" him is repugnant.

 

The whole "he should have morally done more" argument is the result of hindsight and a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. It's always much easier to see how a someone screwed up after the fact and what they should've/could've done to change things - it's much, much harder to perform at that kind of level of self-realization during a situation. As for the "I would've done this or kicked this person's ***&^^*, " well, we're all real tough on the internet, but the majority of us would have done no more than he did - reported it to his superiors - and of those who actually may have done more (which is very few) even fewer could actually back it up. Honestly, disgusted at what was done to those boys, disgusted it was covered up and disgusted with the pitchfork and torches mob mentality that we've allowed ourselves to be stirred up into by the media.

 

Thank goodness our legal system gives zero weight to judgement of the court of public opinion, else we'd all hang. I only hope that the rioting is quelled before anyone gets seriously hurt as there's no need to had further injury, hurt and pain to this mess of a situation.

 

Sorry but no. He got fired because he was part of the chain of command that this went through and got shoved under the rug by. That much is documented and admitted. It is not a witch hunt. I don't understand how people can divorce themselves from reality enough to think that this was just a convenient opportunity to get rid of the guy. He tied their hands the day he found out about what went on in 2002 and didn't go directly to the authorities and continued to have Sandusky around the program... and that's assuming he was ignorant of the situation that went on before Sandusky was removed as DC in the 90s. Which isn't very plausible.

 

Funny, but I have yet to read of or see any evidence where this was "shoved under the rug" by Paterno. That's media supposition at it's finest, as is the posting by the media and general public on boards and blogs all over the internet about how he must have been thinking about his reputation/wins/legacy versus the safety of those kids. Sandusky had never been arrested for, nor charged with nor found guilty of any sort of crime (and still hasn't), so how exactly do you justify cutting off all ties with the person based on second hand accounts and hearsay? It's not as if Paterno actually witnessed anything that would have made what you are purporting he do - completely block access to all campus facilitys/programs etc,- actionable without putting the university and himself at risk (and even had he done so, there is zero evidence that it would have prevented Sandusky from continuing to molest children).

 

Did JoePa know about what happened in the shower involving his former staff member? yes, he himself admitted that to a grand jury. Did he report it directly to the police? No.

 

There you go.

 

He's not being charged with a crime because he did not lie about that. That doesn't mean the workplace where this was swept under the rug, by the people that this was known by, needs him to be charged with a crime to see that it was a huge problem. By not being immediately turned over to police it was a problem and that was compounded by having the man accused still around the program. His inaction and those of his direct superiors (which is laughable at penn state) enabled a child rapist. Get that through your head. Everyone involved needs to be and will be canned whether they are facing indictments or not. They taint the entire institution if you allow them to remain.

 

He's not being charged with a crime because he did nothing wrong - he reported it to the "authorities" in charge of his institution (which is how the law/statute is worded... although I imagine that the statute may be amended to rid itself of such ambiguity in the future), not because he didn't lie about it to the grand jury - if the Grand Jury thought he was lying they would have charged him with perjury as they did with Schultz and Curely.. but they didn't, which seems to point to and support the fact that Paterno's testimony that he was unaware of the specifics of what took place in the shower is the truth. I've read the Grand Jury's report and honestly, based upon what's in there, Paterno is, at this time and until any evidence is produced to refute it.... innocent of wrong doing.

 

If you want to talk about inaction, how about the detectives who dropped an investigation at the bequest of Penn State Campus Police, an AG/Head of Police that decided not to file charges, a mother who worked with the police to tape phone conversations but didn't pursue it when the police dropped it, the executives of Second Mile who were apparently informed several times about possible issues but did nothing, Shultz and Curely who did nothing... there was a whole lot of failure going on here by not only Penn State officials but by local and county law enforcement, school coaches and officials and other various authorities.

 

The victims were let down at every single level by every person who should have protected them but to pin the majority of the blame on Paterno and say that it was Paterno who enabled and apparently by way of inaction, condoned, Sandusky's actions is a ridiculous. Could he have done more? Given the information we have now, it appears to be obvious he could have. But he didn't have all of this information, he had an apparently vague report of some sort of sexual misconduct between a former employee and a child, which he had already reported a required by law and "morality".

 

Paterno is the "big name" goat being sacrificed to overshadow the rest of the stuff in the background.. it will be interesting to see where this case goes with regard to the public's interest in the case now that the "blood" we've all been calling for has been shed.

Wrong. So wrong. McQueary told him what happened in excruciating detail.

Anyone know what this is in response to?

 

 

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That kid was a stud. Get him to a safe place. Not often young kids stare opposing viewpoints down. 2 bad he was surrounded by "we r Penn St"

 

I'm assuming the kid that was on ESPN that said Joe Pa could've done more.

Jesus, these kids are idiots.

are we going to need a Wisconsin forum now?

Well, it only makes sense.

huskeraddict,

 

Thanks, I know what you mean, I have mixed feelings on the video. First, I feel Jo Pa does feel for the victims as he mentioned, but in the next breath he yelling "We are Penn State."

 

Strange and disturbing..

 

I think a large portion of their fans are obviously delusional or have no morals. Here's an interesting quote from SI. Alex Fakhraee, you sir are a f'ing idiot. This crap has me fuming.

 

Alex Fakhraee, 19, of Ambler, Pa., said it might be time for the 84-year-old Paterno to go. But his concerns have more to do with the direction of the program under JoePa's leadership than the scandal.

"I'm sure it's going to affect our image in some way," Fakhraee said outside the union. "From what I know, he knew about it and he reported it. After that I feel it's not his obligation. He's just here to coach the football team."

 

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That's what Liberal indoctrination does to minds that fathers haven't instilled any sort of morality in!!!!

That, or when you build a cult of personality around a God-like presence.

How about this gem from Joe Pa:

"the kids that were victims or whatever they want to say..."

Just unbelievable. Absolutely appalling.

I f'ing hate Minnesota.

What is this "Minnesota" you speak of?

A sad little principality that carved themselves out from the Dakotas.

He won't be in the stadium this weekend I can just about guarantee you.

His son Scott has said he will in fact be in the stadium and will actually be on the sideline.

I kid you not.

I f'ing hate Minnesota.

Can't really get into it this week. Sorry guys.

Not sure how Wisconsin could be going to the Rose Bowl at this point. Ohio State would have to lose again, and Penn State would have to lose all three games for them to make it. (Possibly PSU has to only lose two)

No, PSU only has to lose one before they play Wisconsin in the last game of the year. If Wisconsin beats them, they would then have the head-to-head tiebreaker over Penn State. They would still need OSU to lose one more game, however. It's certainly a realistic scenario.

http://msn.foxsports...Sandusky-110611?

 

I think Paterno is full of sh#t.

 

 

Certainly that statement was. It's embarrassing and I say this as a PSU fan. Did Paterno even read it or have anything to do with crafting it? Your guess is as good as mine but I'm guessing no. That's how out of control this program is...most PSU fans I know think Paterno should have retired 15 years ago and by refusing to do so has in effect been holding the program hostage ever since. Frankly, I'm sick of the guy. He was a wonderful coach and mentor. He's a legend of the game, with good reason. But there's a time to move on and if you can't accept that and do so you become a charichature of yourself. Paterno is 84. He should be touring cathedrals in Italy, not pretending to coach a program he has no control over from a coaches box.

There are two groups I feel for in this. First and foremost its got to be the victims of these horrible crimes. It's a shame this wasn't addressed sooner, hopefully there will be something approaching justice coming out of this and they can somehow live their lives a little more comfortably. These kids were failed by people that should've saved them, in my mind that GA and anyone else who didn't report it is just as guilty as the molester for enabling him.

 

The second group I feel for (much less than the victims but still) are PSU fans. We CFB fans, the real ones, can't control our love for our schools. We didn't choose them, it happened and we're in it for life, even if we have next to no control over the programs...and then sh#t likes this happens. As a fan its just got to wreck you.

How about the PSU players? They're going to be the ones heckled for years to come about something they had no control over.

 

 

Wait. Are you suggesting that because Penn State employed a coach who it sure looks like was a child abuser that Wisconsin fans will heckle Penn State players going forward calling them child abusers? Is that seriously your point?

Yes, that was seriously my point.

Right or wrong, to think that Penn State won't get heckled for years to come over this is wishful thinking.

http://msn.foxsports...Sandusky-110611?

 

I think Paterno is full of sh#t.

 

 

Certainly that statement was. It's embarrassing and I say this as a PSU fan. Did Paterno even read it or have anything to do with crafting it? Your guess is as good as mine but I'm guessing no. That's how out of control this program is...most PSU fans I know think Paterno should have retired 15 years ago and by refusing to do so has in effect been holding the program hostage ever since. Frankly, I'm sick of the guy. He was a wonderful coach and mentor. He's a legend of the game, with good reason. But there's a time to move on and if you can't accept that and do so you become a charichature of yourself. Paterno is 84. He should be touring cathedrals in Italy, not pretending to coach a program he has no control over from a coaches box.

There are two groups I feel for in this. First and foremost its got to be the victims of these horrible crimes. It's a shame this wasn't addressed sooner, hopefully there will be something approaching justice coming out of this and they can somehow live their lives a little more comfortably. These kids were failed by people that should've saved them, in my mind that GA and anyone else who didn't report it is just as guilty as the molester for enabling him.

 

The second group I feel for (much less than the victims but still) are PSU fans. We CFB fans, the real ones, can't control our love for our schools. We didn't choose them, it happened and we're in it for life, even if we have next to no control over the programs...and then sh#t likes this happens. As a fan its just got to wreck you.

How about the PSU players? They're going to be the ones heckled for years to come about something they had no control over.

Please beat them. Thank you.

http://msn.foxsports...Sandusky-110611?

 

Am I missing something here or didn't I read that he was told about the rape of the 10 year old boy?

 

Your right how more "specific" do you get when you tell a coach that another one had a little kid in the shower???!!!WTF I would like to see how the local media is reacting out there or even in there forums.

You have your typical apologists acting like Paterno is still as pure as the driven snow, but for the most part, they're just as disgusted as everyone else.

http://msn.foxsports...Sandusky-110611?

 

I think Paterno is full of sh#t.

Not even going to read it.

All it likely is is some hot-air answer from a high-paid PR consultant.

Paterno, Curley, and all others involved in this situation should resign, and the sooner the better. That's just the first step in a long line of them.

Paterno won't get fired, and definitely not in the middle of the season, for this. If they haven't fired him already they're not going to do it because this article came out. PSU has known about this investigation since at least March, 2011.

 

 

EDIT - looks like this investigation has been going on for about two years.

 

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Paterno won't get fired unless something ugly is revealed during the trial. I don't even want to think of what could be revealed during the trial.

 

 

If the public demands it they will most defiantly fire any and all with knowledge. Just look at the fan-base in Nebraska and how they react over athletics notwithstanding a real crime. Not even the liberal media can cover up this disgusting mess!

 

Do you really have to make a terrible story like this into a political situation?

 

 

BTW where I live not a whole lot of coverage on this story. In my humble opinion this warrants coverage regardless of anyone's journalistic bias's. If this were to happen to any college in the Midwest I think it would get non-stop coverage.IMHO

Well, I agree with you to an extent. I'm not sure how this isn't the front-page story on ESPN, SI, etc.

Paterno won't get fired, and definitely not in the middle of the season, for this. If they haven't fired him already they're not going to do it because this article came out. PSU has known about this investigation since at least March, 2011.

 

 

EDIT - looks like this investigation has been going on for about two years.

 

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Paterno won't get fired unless something ugly is revealed during the trial. I don't even want to think of what could be revealed during the trial.

 

 

If the public demands it they will most defiantly fire any and all with knowledge. Just look at the fan-base in Nebraska and how they react over athletics notwithstanding a real crime. Not even the liberal media can cover up this disgusting mess!

 

Do you really have to make a terrible story like this into a political situation?

 

TRUTH IS TRUTH, and you are the only one turning it into that, sir.

Come on man. This is about an athletic director, not political stances. There's no "truth" there, just political conjecture.

JoePa loses a lot of respect in my book.

Hate to be that guy but...

 

"Lost amdi the hype of the game of the year is the reality of the year: The SEC is no longer college football's best conference."

 

 

Really? A spelling error in the first sentance?

Your sentiments seem to be echoed in the comments...

And the Big Ten is mediocre. I'm not sure that a bunch of average teams is really better than a top-heavy conference with elite teams.

The real question is, where are the Northwestern fans in general?

But seriously, you probably won't get many on here like Badgerfan said. They don't have that big of a message board presence around the Big Ten, although WildcatReport isn't the worst board you could find.