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1 hour ago, knapplc said:
This thread reminds me of a coaching search. Where's the sockpuppet? Where's Bo's Saltwater Aquarium Guy?
In light of covid, instead of tracking aircraft IDs should we be tracking zoom meeting links?
The way the Big Ten has handled this, they will probably do their vote via a zoom meeting and forget to lock it down.
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22 minutes ago, Saunders said:
Nobody knows. It's insane that all these "power people" making millions of dollars, had zero plan, and still have no idea what they're doing. They literally buried their heads in the sand, and hoped for a miracle.
What the hell was Kevin Warren thinking that led him to release the revised schedules on Wednesday, and come out and support it saying he would feel safe, and yet 4 days later, it's all going up in smoke? You can't tell me the B1G wasn't talking to the presidents...
What have these guys been doing since March?
I think they probably kept hoping things would work out well. European soccer leagues managed to finish their season with only minor issues. MLB has had a lot of problems so far. So I think they took a wait and see attitude.
I think the preliminary findings on covid induced myocarditis in younger people may have spurred them to the final decision. In the end, the mycarditis effect may be minimal, but risk aversion may have taken over.
https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2020/08/09/ncaa-cardiac-inflamation-coronavirus-myocarditis-concerns
Had the US managed to reduce the number of positive cases walking around, then the combination of:
small number of positives * small rate of serious effects from covid = really small number
may have been an acceptable risk. But with the US still having fairly high positive rates and not knowing the myocarditis effect, it probably raised the risk for them too much.
And, as many have already pointed out on this thread - there is also the potential for the more cynical "stop the players from unionizing/forcing a work stoppage/getting a bigger piece of the pie/etc." In which case, covid is a convenient way to cancel the season while they get a handle on the future of college athletics.
Things will probably be very different in college sports by fall 2021, even if some kind of covid vaccine is available. At this point things will never return to "normal" - the normal of the 1980s - 2019 (ever since the Supreme Court ruling that opened up the television money floodgates).
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49 minutes ago, Jason Sitoke said:
Sorry. Had I known, I would’ve responded with a humorous gif
That was humorous?
Hmm. Yeah. ok.
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11 minutes ago, Jason Sitoke said:
Can't believe I needed to use the /s
Are so many people that humorless?
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3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:
My wife and I were talking last night about this winter. Summer has been fairly easy in our area because of outdoor actives like work in the yard, going to the lake or golfing. Winters in Nebraska suck anyway...but at least you could plan on getting out to some sporting events (college or HS) along with some social events.
If we have to go all winter with very little to do and no sports to watch on TV...I'm going to go crazy.
I might have to start reading War and Peace.
As bad as a winter with no sports would be, imagine how much worse it would have been 40 years ago before the internet, streaming, etc.
We can just make this thread our official sport for 2020! Whoever scores the most smileys wins!
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Bewilderment is detected in his voice. Disappointment is heard, too. Over the phone, Damon Payne Sr. recalled how the Michigan football program he has always rooted for suddenly stopped recruiting his son, the gifted five-star defensive tackle and newly minted Alabama commitment, Damon Jr.
QuoteIn May, after liking a couple of tweets that took oblique shots at Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh’s performance, Crowell was again targeted by the keyboard mob.
QuoteAccording to Crowell, Harbaugh has visited the school only once when the Wolverines were in pursuit of Devontae Dobbs, the highly touted guard who ended up at Michigan State.
Given that Belleville sits roughly 18 miles from Michigan’s campus, it all seemed peculiar.
So, is this caused by the high school coach (Crowell)? Harbaugh being an idiot? Or something else?
Of course just because it may be due to either Crowell or something else doesn't preclude Harbaugh still being an idiot.
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1 hour ago, Mavric said:
The SEC just said "thanks, no thanks" to the ACC. Yesterday, the ACC announced that they would play one non-conference game, with each team playing the game somewhere in the home state of the ACC team. Presumably so Clemson-South Carolina, Georgia Tech-Georgia and Florida State-Florida would all still be played. All those games now cancelled.
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6 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said:
I'm not thrilled with it but it's still a reasonable compromise under the circumstances. Mostly because some other OOC opponents {Wisconsin, Stanford, Southern Cal} accepted their conference office cancelling our game without saying a word.
I would have respected the ACC more if they had said You may play more games but if you want a conference championship you'll have to join the conference.
I suppose they wanted to avoid the potential embarrassment of having Notre Dame play 10 ACC games, go 10-0, and have the rest of the teams all lose at least 1 game. Pretty hard to say team X was a real champion in that scenario.
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Just now, Notre Dame Joe said:
Notre Dame Joins ACC
[the ACC] will play 11 games, including 10 ACC contests and one nonconference game against an opponent that resides in the home state of league members.
So what do you think about Notre Dame being an "unofficial official" member of the ACC for 2020?
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On 7/24/2020 at 7:41 AM, Mavric said:Quote
Notre Dame will partake in the festivities and play a full 10-game ACC conference schedule, making it eligible to compete in the ACC Championship Game as a temporary 15th member of the conference in 2020.
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1 hour ago, Nebfanatic said:
Week 8 has a great win from 2013 with the Kellogg III-Westercatch hail Mary against NW! Some other ones that I would have loved to have added were week 8 2010 againt Mizzou(Helu 310 yards) and 2009 week 5 against Mizzou as well. I guess I always liked beating Mizzou
Oops, sorry saw your post after I made mine.
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1 hour ago, deedsker said:
Game 1 - 2017 Arkansas State W 43-36
Game 2 - 2014 McNeese State W 31-24
Game 3 - 2010 Washington W 56-21
Game 4 - 2019 Illinois W 42-38
Game 5 - 2012 Wisconsin W 30-27
Game 6 - 2016 Indiana W 27-22
Game 7 - 2018 Minnesota W 53-28
Game 8 - 2011 Michigan State W 24-7
Game 9 - 2013 Michigan W 17-13
Game 10 - 2015 Michigan State W 39-38
Game 11 - 2007 Kansas State W 73-31
Game 12 - 2008 Colorado W 40-31
Game 13 (Bowl) - 2009 Arizona W 33-0
I call it "A year of drama".
I like your list except if you want to keep drama front and center, how about replacing week 8 with the 2013 Hail Mary game against Northwestern?
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1 hour ago, kansas45 said:
I also predict that recruits will commit early so they get their NLI secured since there won't be any campus visits for games. These recruits do not have the luxury of waiting around and cause a suspense scene because the offer may not be there at a later time if someone jumps ahead of them.
I think this is a possibility.
If the season starts to become herky-jerky fairly early on (like the Marlins having to postpone an entire week of games) and the NCAA rules on eligibility of players that sit out (or the season ends after only 2 or 3 games). If the NCAA makes the decision to grant an extra year of eligibility across the board but decides not to allow for expanded scholarship amounts, that would really tighten things up and would probably cause a surge in early NLI signings.
And given the NCAA's history I'm sure they will find a way to do the stupidest possible choice in dealing with the scholarship situation.
I would hope the NCAA will come up with a better solution, but skepticism toward their process is usually the safest approach, until the actual decision is made.
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And the next domino falls:
QuoteThe NFL Players Association and league's owners have agreed to scrap the 2020 preseason while also reducing the size of training camp rosters.
If NFL actually plays, it will be interesting to see games with no preseason warmup. However, this is probably just moving things closer to cancellation by small steps. If NFL cancels, I don't see how colleges can justify playing.
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3 hours ago, kansas45 said:
Trust me, this is not as easy as it sounds. You have some students who work during the class period and will complain about that. Oh sure, you can make a class schedule and if it is face-to-face you are supposed to be there. However, when the pandemic hit, students went home and got jobs and that really messed up a schedule. Faculty had to switch around class times so that the students could meet. Like you expect the professor to be teaching 24/7? No way. When it says online, it means that the professor can establish the times that he/she demands OR they can be diplomatic and try to get a class time that fits for all the students (like herding cats in my opinion). Online classes are listed as Online and not given a class time schedule such as Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 11:00 to 11:50. Such blows the whole concept of online distance delivery based on the paradigm of "go to school at your pace and on your schedule." And if I am a professor and I have a set time to meet in the classroom I am not going to look to kindly to the person who gives the excuse of "I cannot make it, I have football practice; can I just do all my stuff online?" And there are professors who use the zoom attendance as part of the grade. Now, take all this information and couple it with the student-athlete that has a 15, or 16 or 17 or 18 hour schedule. Not all classes are created equal and not all of them are your typical 3 hour classes. Some classes could be a four hours with a separate lab component that is built into it that meets at another time. Here is an example: Biology 186 Principles of Biological Systems 1. This class meets MWF from 11:00 to 11:50; the lab portion is a one hour component to supplement the class; it meets on Tuesday from 1:30 to 3:15.
Oh but the professor can meet with the student individually....sorry, that's called an independent study and no professor is going to do more than they have to.
Oh but the professor can have a zoom and do a 50 minute class and simply meet for a 25 minutes to accommodate the football players....sorry, there are accreditation standards that strongly suggest that classes are to meet for the full time period and meet the prescribed "minutes";
Oh but the professor has academic freedom.....not until their Dean finds out what they are doing. No professor wants to have to explain themselves.
Now, if the class is hybrid and let's say a class is to meet on Monday and Wednesday, but one half meets on Monday face to face and the other half meets on Wednesday you still have the aspect of being exposed to the general student population. If the class is completely online, you are going to have problems in scheduling a class time where all the students can meet for the Zoom at the same time.
And you cannot simply have classes set aside for "just the football team" unless you have a cohort model but even this get's difficult at times as the student has a major and there are not multiple sections of an upper level course.
Now, does this sound like this is "easier"? It is a logistical nightmare.
For the community college I do some part time teaching for we had the choice of going to "remote" learning vs "online" learning when we made the conversion in mid-March. The difference being that remote learning is like the distance learning of old - when it was via VTC (which UNL was a pioneer in back in the 80s) - meaning you had class at a certain time, just not in person. The VTC model was more like students at a remote site going to a classroom with VTC and seeing a lecture taking place elsewhere, but with Zoom/Skype/etc. this morphed into sitting at home. So for a remote class, the expectation was that learning would be in real time.
I chose a sort of combination approach - I was available to all my students during the normal class times and did lectures that way. However, I also made all the lecture notes available to any students that could no longer make that class time and recorded my lectures as well for them to download.
I did this due to what you said about schedules changing due to the impact of coronavirus - they might be stuck working where they didn't have to before, they might not have good enough high speed internet at home, they might have to share computing resources with others and not be able to meet at that time, etc. So attendance was voluntary, but it gave those that could make it a chance to have direct interaction with me as I went through the material, while still allowing those that couldn't a chance to still send emails, etc. with questions after they looked at the material. I also set up some online office hours and tried to be flexible so that students could drop in and ask questions. It was very tiring. I mainly did this since the students did not sign up for a remote learning environment when the semester started, so I felt I had to be as flexible as possible to help them out.
For the fall, my campus is still closed (except for some rare exceptions - Biology and Chemistry Labs, some Nursing courses, etc.). So I will teach in a remote paradigm for the fall, where we meet to conduct the class during the scheduled class time. Since the class is listed that way in the course catalog, the expectation is that they understand what they are signing up for. I think if you set it up that way it is no different than them taking a class on campus at a certain time. Yeah, they can have computer problems, but they shouldn't be any higher than the obligatory "my car broke down/was in an accident/got called in for an extra shift at work/etc." that I've heard from students in previous years for standard face to face courses.
But, for K-12, this is a much more difficult scenario.
So I don't see impact on football players any more than with their normal course load - they have been obligated to meet at a certain place and time before, now just a certain time via virtual means. Agree though that hybrid type meetings will greatly increase infection probabilities. Further reading about what happened with the Marlins seems to indicate they probably got community spread due to high counts in Miami. The same thing would probably happen to players going to class.
The result is probably not appetizing to most of the players - living in a bubble for the fall semester - no going to class, no hanging out with friends (except for teammates), no partying, etc. As a much older person, I don't see it as a big sacrifice (I don't have much of a social life anyway
) but I assume 18-23 year olds might have a different opinion.
As you and many others have said - that will probably kill the season.
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33 minutes ago, nic said:
Ahhhhhh no more opinions....please, for the love of all things holy.....
All these opinions may be finally approaching the million monkeys on a million typewriters scenario.
Only the result won't be Shakespeare.
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2 hours ago, FrantzHardySwag said:
Yankees Phillies cancelled tonight. If MLB can’t get through a week, no way NCAA football gets through a season.
Opinion columns already starting to appear regarding these cancellations:
QuoteIn hindsight, MLB never should have permitted the Marlins to take the field Sunday against the Phillies at Citizens Bank Park after three players tested positive for COVID-19, just two days after another player tested positive.
Now we'll see if any members of the Phillies test positive after being on the same field at Citizens Bank Park.
The last part of that is probably the most significant issue - did the Marlins players catch the virus from team/game activities or from off site actions? If several Phillies test positive this does not bode well for the college football season. On the other hand, if no Phillies come back positive, maybe baseball can recover ok and move forward. Social distancing is almost a natural part of baseball - except when in the dugout. I would guess outside of the dugout the highest probably for transmission would be when a player is at bat. In which case I would think we'd see umpires and catchers start to get infected disproportionately. Since we only have a few days worth of data, we don't know enough yet.
However, since football cannot obviously meet social distancing, I'm not sure of the impact. If no Phillies test positive, maybe a glimmer of hope stays alive. If several Phillies do test positive, that may be the final curtain coming down on a viable college football season.
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On 7/26/2020 at 9:10 AM, teachercd said:
Yeah, the idea of hiring a bunch of young/new teachers...well...I know most of us just think that teaching is easy but the hardest part of teaching is not so much the content but the ability to control the class.
That comes with experience (most of the time)
I remember how immature my friends and I were when we were in Junior High. Looking back, I think people that teach, in particular grades 6ish through 9ish, have to have incredible patience, a relatable demeanor, and the ability to get the kids to trust them as well as know the material. Like you said, I would hope most 6th grade math teachers understand math well at that level - that is not the hard part.
Not to take cheap potshots, but just being young and eager as a teacher doesn't automatically mean those other important traits are present. Some people seem to have them innately, others learn them over time.
I do some part time community college level instruction (physics) and I am thankful that for the most part class control is not a significant issue at that age. I would never have the patience to teach K-12.
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3 hours ago, Branno said:
I'm starting to wonder if there is any correlation between those that downplay COVID-19 risks and extreme American Exceptionalism.
I think all of the arguments about America being different than Europe and thus not a fair comparison are trying to deflect from the failure of the current administration.
This article offers a perspective I had not yet seen on why certain countries are failing so badly at handling coronavirus: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/struggle-pandemic-populist-leaders-fare-poorly-71936667?cid=clicksource_4380645_6_film_strip_icymi_hed
QuoteThe countries that top the rankings of COVID-19 deaths globally are not the poorest, the richest or even the most densely populated. But they do have one thing in common: They are led by populist, mold-breaking leaders.
Quote“This is a public health crisis that requires expertise and science to resolve. Populists by nature ... have a disdain for experts and science that are seen as part of the establishment,” says Michael Shifter, president of the Inter-American Dialogue, a Washington-based think tank. He was discussing Brazil, where at least 81,000 people have died.
“Populist politics makes it very difficult to implement rational policies that really resolve the issue — or at least manage the crisis more effectively.”
I'm sure the same commenters citing "American uniqueness" will dismiss this as a viable reason, but there does seem to be evidence that populism is a failure at fighting pandemics.
To me, populism reinforces the persecution syndrome that we seem to have with segments of our population and leads to people actively resisting simple steps (masking, social distancing, hand washing, etc.) that have shown great promise at reducing the spread.
A big reason why Europe will probably have sports going on in the fall with attendance, while the US is still worrying about outbreaks among isolated players.
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7 minutes ago, knapplc said:
Here's the problem with this premise - we didn't shut down for two months. Some bars and restaurants went to take-out only, but you weren't required to stay in your home. You have been free to go out and meander around and do whatever you want this whole time. Many, many, many people never stopped going to work, never stopped going to the store or to Menard's, and they weren't wearing masks.
Every other country whose death & infection rates have plummeted to the point where they can legit open back up and have sports have done three things:
1) Wear masks
2) Socially isolate long enough to get spread under control
3) Washed their hands. A lot.
America has never done this. We don't need a "new tool shed," we need people with the fortitude do just do those simple things.
Since early April in America medical experts, the CDC, epidemiologists have been pushing those three things. That we haven't is our own fault.
I think for many, no matter what tool it is, the only response is "it's a hammer".
So, people don't properly use the tool, get injured, and then complain that we need new tools.
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9 minutes ago, Husker03 said:
Because, according to the current evidence, they don't. Makes no sense at all but kids under 10 barely vector Covid for whatever reason. The evidence is sketchier in the 10-18 age. The numbers are out of South Korea and they didn't break it down into smaller groups, but the 10-18 age transmits at a lower rate than the adult population but a higher rate than the almost non existent transmission noted in the under 10 school agers. The thought is that there would be a gradual increase in the transmission as approaches 18, but again, not enough numbers to accurately call it.
One thing that could influence it is mutations. There isn't a lot of evidence out yet on differences in transmission between the different mutation, but per this paper published in Nature, the show that the South Korea strain is not the same as the US strain. This paper is focused on Fatality rates, but hopefully a similar paper is in works to show the transmission rates. I think the South Korea strain is pretty close to the original Wuhan outbreak.
Not sure if this means that we could experienced greater transmission among children, but it is just something else to consider.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s10038-020-0808-9
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This might offer some insight into how crowds would be impacted in stadiums (not on player-player type interactions) to help decide how reasonable it is to have fans in the stands.
QuoteCapacity will be limited to 25% — about 87,500 fans — at the massive speedway, and tickets will be distributed to allow proper social distancing among groups.
Most concessions will consist of prepacked food. Fans will have their temperature checked upon entry and receive hand sanitizer and a mask, which they will be required to wear when they are not eating or drinking.
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Assuming the college football season does proceed, with teams traveling to other sites to play. In light of this: https://www.1011now.com/2020/07/22/nebraska-now-on-ny-ct-nj-quarantine-list-as-covid-spikes/ , does that mean Nebraska would have to forfeit, or travel two weeks early for the game @ Rutgers?
QuoteResidents from 31 states, including Nebraska, must now quarantine for 14 days when arriving in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, as dozens of states experience rising positive COVID-19 rates.
With a patchwork of 50 states doing 50 different things, this is probably another nail in the (already lowering into the ground) coffin for a season.
Granted things will probably change by the time of the currently scheduled game date (Oct 24), but this is an added hurdle to overcome. If you have two road games one week apart to states that both require visitors from Nebraska to quarantine for 14 days, you probably have to forfeit one of the games.
How will New Jersey treat Rutgers' players that leave to play a road game in a state where NJ requires those coming from that state to quarantine? Would all the players have to isolate without interacting with any people that stayed behind in NJ?
I could see other states implementing this type of scenario as the fall progresses as well.
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24 minutes ago, kansas45 said:
My argument exactly. One cannot say "we played Notre Dame in 1918, heck, even went 2-3-1 in the MVIAA; surely we can play now." Imagine the lawyers on the side of the plaintiff in this case and the number of medical expert witnesses that they could have in saying "it was illogical to play given the information we had available." The Ivy League set precedence here.
Agree - since the Ivy League is where we plant most of our "lawyer seed" in this country, they were really out in front on this. I'm sure the lawyers played a big part in the Ivy League's quick cancellation of their basketball tourney which eventually led to the cancellation of the NCAA tournament.
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Will There Be a 2020 Football Season?
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I'm sure having an apparent disagreement between Harbaugh and Michigan's President/Chancellor adds fuel to the fire, something which isn't (apparently) going on at Nebraska.