Landomatic

Figured he'd be here to gloat. Turns out he was more right than most thought!!

I think he underestimates how easy Wisconsin's schedule is next year.

I think he's also overestimating the impact of losing a couple of assistant coaches.

 

Seriously, his analysis that Penn State should be the division favorite going into next year basically calls the entire rest of the article into question. What an idiotic thing to say at this point.

Um, yeah. Word out of State Penn is that they can't get a half way respectable coach to touch that place with a hundred foot pole. Local media there is in a tizzy. It is the last head coaching vacancy to be filled and word is it's because they are getting turned down left and right by their top choices and will have to settle big time with their selection.

I'm down for Reebok, but only if everything comes with The Pump

Screw The Pump, man. I say we bring in Roos. That way all our players would have a really cool pouch on their shoes to keep stuff in. How awesome would that be??

Because Bo 2013 is set up like 07 Kansas. @Michigan, @Penn State is the entire schedule assuming we don't lay an egg in a game we're favored by 10+. Michigan w/out Robinson and virtually every other 11' starter. Penn State coming out of who knows what kind of mess. Neither worries me greatly at this point...though that's a long ways out.

 

Bo should roll through that schedule with a team heavy on junior/senior talent. Heard/Green/Abdulla/Martinez/Bell/Turner/Enunwa. Our OL should finally be solid with Sirles/ARod/Pensick/Long/Qvale/Moore/Peat, etc.. The defense will be rebuilding next year, but by 13' we'll see guys like Ankrah/Rome/Guy/Green/SJB/Osborne/Evans etc really stepping up. This plus a JUCO recruit or two and we should have one of the most complete teams in a decade.

 

Bo has 2 years IMO - pending the outcome of that season. Win 9 games in 13' and he wont' be here in 14' - but he has a very good oportunity to use that season to build the foundation for the rest of his career at NU. He's not going anywhere after 12'...it will be a lackluster 9 win season if we're lucky and we'll know that going in. 13' is the key though and he needs to be thinking that way IMO.

Interesting theory on that 2013 season, but wasn't the 2010 season set up the same way? Maybe even better? Toughest game was supposed to be Texas and we got them at home (plus they ended up sucking). Coming off of a solid bowl win vs. Arizona. Senior quarterback. Etc, etc, etc...

If you want a better barometer of how people think Bo is doing, make a poll with letter grades, or 1-10 ratings. I voted "without a doubt," but that doesn't mean there aren't things I don't like about Bo, his processes, his time here, etc. I'm glad he's our coach, but give me a magic wand and I'd wave some changes his way.

 

Coincidentally, I feel the same way about my wife, my best friend, my car, my house, my cat, my job, etc. There's rarely a situation where you like everything about a person or an entity like the Huskers. Bo is no exception. Oh, and if I had that magic wand, I'd change my cat into a dog. Don't marry a cat person.

Wise words my friend...especially the cat part!

Landomatic (and others who feel the poll is flawed),

 

You are probably correct, I could have worded the poll differently. However, I believe that fact that (at this time) 105 people have claimed support and 4 votes don't support (6 are ok but want something else if given the chance). I think this poll does more than show that Pelini is in very good favor in Husker Nation.

 

I want to know what board NotSince97 was at that 100% (yes, absolutely everyone on the board) was against Bo Pelini. I'm guessing he got real life mixed up with playstation...

Yeah, I kind of figured that was the purpose of your poll. Did it really take a poll for you to realize that was total crap? That dude somehow got out of his straight jacket for a few posts (pages) in that thread.

Anyway...I see where you're coming from and it appears you see where I'm coming from too. Respect.

I've been accused of being too negative around here, so.....

yay

@footballscoop reporting that Terry Bowden will be the next coach at Akron.

I could see Terry Bowden developing into a top level coach in the next few years. Again. Played D1 fb, wicked smart, great coaching lineage. This was an awesome get by the Zips. Don't see Terry staying more than a couple or three years though. Then again, perhaps he's fed up with dealing with Auburn-type boosters. He won't have that trouble at Akron.

Yeah...I always thought the way that whole Auburn thing went down was just weird. From the outside looking in, it would appear that Bowden's wheels kind of flew off there. But I think a lot of inside people would tell you that Auburn deal had a darker side to it. From everything I heard, they basically have one booster (Lowder) running the entire program and once Bowden got sideways with him, his fate was sealed. I didn't blame him for hanging it up after that. But now that he's back in the coaching mix, he should have a pretty fast track back into the BCS level teams...if he wants that. Good coach...good hire by Akron I think.

I have a lot of respect for Frank and he's always a Husker in my book. I'm also glad he's doing well at Ohio. But I don't spend much time looking back on what could have been with Frank as I don't believe he was the right fit for Nebraska's head coach. Hated how it was handled and what was to follow, but he needed to go. And the only reaffirmation I need is seeing that his head coaching career has plateaued at Ohio. If he were "head coach of a major program" material, he would be well on his way to that by now. Everyone in football expressed a collective "WTF?" when Frank was fired after a 9 win season, yet nobody other than Ohio was willing to put their program in his hands...and haven't since. If he were at the level we needed, he'd have been on several school's short list of candidates by now and that just hasn't happened. If he were climbing the coaching ladder and playing in some BCS games, then I would have some serious seller's remorse. But as it stands, the market would indicate it was the right move.

You guys pumped for Big Ten hoops?!

 

What is this "hoops" thing you speak of? Guess I'll have to google that one.

My opinion doesn't fall under any of these options. Ask me in 2 years and it'll go into one of these...but for now, he has 2 years before I stop "supporting" him.

 

At this point I support Bo, but I question some of the staff decisions. That's what gets me more than anything.

This

In other breaking sports news, Woody Hayes was fired for punching a player.

Link >>> http://espn.go.com/classic/s/add_hayes_woody.html

First tattoos, then cars, now this? WTF's going on in Columbus??

You're so easy to draw off sides.

 

And he's decent about it. It's good fishing, and good fun is had by all.

No doubt...wasn't trying to imply any ill will.

Looks familiar...

http://www.funnyordie.com/slideshows/aea53b6c88/amazingly-terrible-christmas-cards#slide1

 

...but I have to say I don't get the preoccupation with this game for NU fans. This is the second thread about this game on HB alone and I know of at least one started on Cockytalk. NU beat a UF team 15 years ago...I don't think many players for either team really care.

Oh come on Badgerfan...you know how Wisconsin fans get every time the Badgers get to face off against a coach whom they once defeated for a national title?....Oh, never mind.

 

But at least you can remember the last time South Carolina won the national championship and then faced that coach again?...Oh, never mind.

Nebraska; the next Minnesota, mark my f'ing words

Them's fightin' words right there.

You're so easy to draw off sides.

Ok, I should amend what I've said. I'm not "happy" that he's leaving. He was a great asset to the program but at times, especially in big games it seemed like he overthought things and tried to change up the formula too much. Last year's Rose Bowl was a painful reminder of that for me and I wanted to see him leave at the end of that game when there were rumors he was going to bail for other offers. That said, now that he's gone one has to be a little concerned about our offense because he did engineer some great teams.

 

But then again we lost a great DC last year to NIU and turned out alright so maybe we make a solid hire and come through just fine...its not like our offense is mind-bogingly difficult to coordinate...run pass run run run run pass run run run run play-action dump off pass to RB run TD.

 

The thing is, I don't know who we go out and get...who's available OC wise? People from every school throw Stoops' name out for any DC job but as far as OC's go I haven't heard much....

 

Anyhow, at least now we have yet another excuse for what will, more than likely, be a relatively flat year on offense, a flat year that thanks to the NCAA will still probably lead to at least a 50-50 shot to get to Indy between us and Penn State. Thank you Mr. Pryor!

Promote from within, man...it's all the rage!!

In regards to a recent coversation with another poster, I was hoping to put an actual number on the percentage of Pelini supporters on Huskerboard. Our conversation was based on very "unscientific" methods, so I am relying on the research based study of a message board poll...

Sorry, funhusker but your poll is flawed. Your choices are either...100% for Bo, complete and total blind faith, he's our savior -100% against Bo, he sucks, fire him now - 95% against Bo, don't fire him but I want him gone. Not a very balanced poll in terms of choices nor are there any choices for rational fans who are much more down the middle. At least that's the way I read it. But I guess if I want to bitch about it, I can start my own freakin poll, right?

people who bag on Bo can kiss my rosy-haired rectum..you all deserve that fraud called callahandjob

 

People who set the bar at Callahan and are happy with anything that's even a little better than what he gave us can kiss my rosy-haired rectum...you all deserve 9 win seasons, no conference championships and no BCS bowls.

 

See how that works both ways??

callahandjob was a f'ing mess who hated being here and hated everything Nebraska stood for prior to him coming here to enlighten the NFL pimple-assed computer-materbating, groupies- Bo is a good coach who will, if people quit being a bunch of pussies about it, keep winning and will start winning conference titles etc. Tom took years before his ship came in, and that was back when we had more advantages (prop 48's more scollies etc) if Tom were coaching in this puss age of the internet weinies, he would have took the Colorado job-and who in there right mind set the bar at 70 point losses? (oh yeah those pimpled-assed internet weinies that can kiss my rosie-haired rectum) so no it doesn't work both ways- sorry

At least now we have a sunshine-pumping troll.

That's funny right there!!

Not since 97, you've gone from borderline just don't support Bo Pelini to an absolute nut job who likes the "throw crap at the wall and see what sticks person"

 

I'm going to get Gandalf in here so he can banish this troll.

You see, I consider you a troll. Anyone that watches our incompetence the last couple years as Callahan recruits dry up, and calls people out for pointing out what a fail the Pelini nightmare is, lives in a fantasy world for sure

Damn dude...I step away from this thread for a few hours and you pretty much went off your meds somewhere along the way. I saw where you were coming from early on but now you're taking things a lot farther than a rational person.

I bet at least 10 times a day I type out a entire response counterpointing someone's argument and then decide its not worth the effort and delete the response.

That's weird. I just did the same thing, likely to the same argument.

Yeah, me too. Happens all th...

Eh...never mind.

So you're saying if we are still winning 9 or 10 games over the next 2 years but have no championship he should be fired? That's a very dangerous way of thinking!

 

And it's oh, so positive, too.

 

Not trying to be "oh so positive" and never claimed I was. I said to you, knappic, in another post that 2 more years of 9-10 win seasons without any sort of championship is a big question mark and I don't know today how I'd want NU to handle that. I agree that firing a coach with 9-10 win seasons is crazy. BUT, that would be 6 years of what I think most people would consider pretty average football. I guess it would come down to who we beat and who we lost to and how we won and lost those games.

 

You tell me...you good with 9 win seasons and no championships for 6 years? How about 10 years? 20 years? How long is that sort of record good enough for you?

 

I'm good with that for about 21 years, personally. If Bo's career is a duplicate of Tom's, with a few conference championships sprinkled here and there, a sniff at a title game once a decade, and decent overall, even with three losses per year, I'm good.

But that's the thing...those 2 things in bold haven't happened yet (I know it's only been 4 years). You're adding conditions that completely change the premise. The question is how long are you willing to go with neither of those happening? How long are you willing to wait with 9-10 win seasons and no championships? You're willing to wait 21 years?

BTW...Tom won a conference championship in his 3rd year. So if you are looking for Bo's career to be a duplicate of Tom's, that ship has already sailed.

So you're saying if we are still winning 9 or 10 games over the next 2 years but have no championship he should be fired? That's a very dangerous way of thinking!

 

And it's oh, so positive, too.

Not trying to be "oh so positive" and never claimed I was. I said to you, knappic, in another post that 2 more years of 9-10 win seasons without any sort of championship is a big question mark and I don't know today how I'd want NU to handle that. I agree that firing a coach with 9-10 win seasons is crazy. BUT, that would be 6 years of what I think most people would consider pretty average football. I guess it would come down to who we beat and who we lost to and how we won and lost those games.

You tell me...you good with 9 win seasons and no championships for 6 years? How about 10 years? 20 years? How long is that sort of record good enough for you?

Not really seeing where you're coming from here...maybe I'm missing something? What I was referring to is that the extremest "Bo's the greatest coach ever" fans, once pushed to back up their stance on that, can really only come up with one thing to point toward...4 years of 9 win seasons. Conversely, when equally as extreme "Bo sucks" fans have to back their stance, they point toward a long list of things which tends to give their position some validity...inexperienced staff/hiring buddies, losses to teams we shouldn't be losing to every year, mismanagement of scholarships/redshirts, recruiting struggles, lack of identity/direction, young/inexperienced team excuses every year, Barney Cotton, regression in certain aspects of the game, no real quality wins, sideline antics, overly stubborn attitude toward media/fans, no conference championships, no BCS Bowls and on and on and on.

 

Again, I'm more down the middle than either of those, but I think it's easier to see why some fans can be soooo overly negative than why other fans can be soooo overly positive in their views.

 

 

That's a straw man. Nobody thinks Bo Pelini is the greatest coach ever, or even the best coach in football today. You denounce extremist views with extremist views that don't represent what people are saying. The nine win thing is only part of what he's done. He's gotten our academics up to the highest team GPA since 1987. He has brought in a lot of great talent like Burkhead, Martinez, Kenny Bell, Kyler Reed, a bunch of offensive line guys, Dejon Gomes, Lavonte David, Ameer, Enunwa.... all kinds of guys. We have good players at a lot of positions because of Pelini. We've gone to a bowl in every year, we've won four of five bowls under Pelini, we've played in conference championship games two of the last three years.... the list goes on.

 

There is this thing out there where people are crying that "Bo is only hiring his buddies." But that's BS. The coaching fraternity is pretty small, and when you've been in it as long as Bo has, you're going to get to know a LOT of these guys. Who cares if they're buddies? Most coaches hire coaches they've worked with in the past, or know. It's the most common way of getting a coaching job. But because people want to bitch, they throw this out there like it's some huge problem. Les Miles didn't stock his coaching ranks with strangers, and neither did Nick Saban. Seems to be working out for them.

 

Bo sucks fans have no more validity than Bo is good fans. They just have a half empty glass. And you're not down the middle from the posts I've read. You praised that 97 guy who does nothing but bitch about Pelini in every single post. What a joke! There are so many positive things going on with the program right now. You've listed zero. That's not down the middle. That's negativity at its finest.

 

If you're so down the middle then spend a day posting nothing but positives about Nebraska. I'll bet you can't do it, or you slide backhanded digs in, or you just don't post.

Fair enough that I've never technically seen anyone say "Bo's the greatest coach ever" on here. But I have seen several people say "Bo is a great coach" and I guess we all just have different views on the definition of "great".

With regard to your other points...

Academics - We've always been fine in academics from what I remember. The "highest GPA since '87 stat" isn't winning any football games.

Great Talent - There's that term again. I'll give you Rex and David...maybe one or 2 more guys. You're really ready to call all of these guys "great"? Based on what? "A bunch of offensive line guys"??? You serious???

Bowls - Going to bowls every year is an extremely low bar. Considering like 70 teams go to bowls every year.

Conf Championship Games - Playing in the Big 12 North - again, just not that big of an accomplishment in my book.

I am all about hiring your buddies and think Bo's staff should be almost entirely made up of people he is very close with. I totally agree with everything you're saying here. The problem I have is when his pool of those buddies are unemployed golf coaches, high school coaches, etc and the whole staff is just a list of prospects. It might work, but it has to result in a much bigger learning curve than having some proven talent on the staff. I don't have a problem that Bo wants his buddies in there, I have a problem with which buddies he has in there.

I'm not calling for Bo to be fired. I think he should have 2 more years. I think he has a lot of potential. But I'm also not ready to say he's there yet because he still has a lot to prove. To me, that puts me down the middle but if you want to view that as being negative then more power to ya'.

Was Carl that great a Coordinator or was he kept around out of pure nepotism?

 

I never got a feel for you all's opinion just because this year's defense was kind of off but it looks like he had a few good ones in the past.

 

It's hard to say whose defense we were seeing out there. I've heard conflicting reports about how much control Bo/Carl had from year to year, game to game and even in games. Nobody really knows. We'll find out soon enough, I suppose.

Yeah...I agree with knappic. I definitely never thought Carl was around out of "pure nepotism" that's for sure. I think nepotism granted him some opportunities faster that other coaches would have had to work their way toward. But I always felt like Carl brought a lot to the table. Off the field he was kind of a wash. He had some "dipping his pen in the wrong ink" issues and that situation with the camera after the aTm game was a little embarrassing. But his demeanor with the press and fans overall one could argue was better than his brother's. Carl is a big loss for us but I don't think as big of a loss as Johnson will be for the c$%ks.

 

One frequently made comment at the time about the "71" Huskers, was that they could be competitive and possibily beat a "71" NFL team.........If those comments were made about the "01" Hurricanes, I never heard them....

Michael Irvin has gone on and on about it just that. I personally think he and anyone else who thinks a college team could beat a pro team is CRAZY, but that's beside the point. Irvin will tell you that since he's played at the highest of both levels, he's right. Says it doesn't come down to talent, it comes down to knowing how to win.