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On 4/26/2024 at 12:49 PM, Mavric said:

 

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But "facilities" is also a larger discussion:

 

 

Maybe I am reading into this, but it kind of seems at least south stadium is a priority.  Maybe it's just listening to the morning guys on the radio etc, I've only sat there one time, but it seems to be a HUGE pain point.  

On 4/6/2024 at 10:04 PM, gobiggergoredder said:

KSU isn’t bad.  And their stadium is way better.  
 

Went twice last year.  Enjoyed it.

 

Edit:  Getting laughs.  Unlikely anyone has been there in a while.  It's far different than what I remember when Taylor Martinez (2010) ran wild.  They have a concourse that has tons of room.  You don't feel like cattle.  You can watch the game standing comfortably from multiple locations.  You don't have to choose between a hot dog, valentinos or runza because they have options.  The bathrooms were not like I was behind a barn at the Saline County fair.  And we walked from campus which took 5-10 minutes.  The stadium was surrounded by tailgating.  

 

It was the most enjoyable experience for watching a game I've had in a while.  It actually made me a supporter of what Trev was trying to do.  Memorial Stadium is a dinosaur.  I think they've done a phenomenal job of trying to lipstick the pig, but it's time for a Chip & Joanna job.

I went to KState.  They have done a nice job with all the updates they've done there.  I was just saying the location sucks.  JMO.  The point being though, Memorial needs to be where it is.  I agree though about what Trev was trying to do.  

30 minutes ago, Micheal said:

I wonder if a restaurant/hotel tax in Lincoln would be the thing to happen with any public funding for the stadium. As it is those businesses that would be benefitting the most from events at Memorial? 

 

As a Royals fan I am concerned. I don't want them to go cray cray like the Athletics. I'm hoping they can get feedback from those opposed against the stadium, make some changes, add Crown Vision to the concepts and get a new stadium built. New stadium can be in the East Village, North Kansas City, Legends, I do not care as long as it is in the KC metro. 

 

I think Kauffman is beautiful as is but. 

 

 

Being a Rockies fan (you heard that right) and seeing what Coors did for downtown is impressive.  KC's downtown, at least when I lived close, was an afterthought.  I think a plan like this can go a long way in making it a place to live, work, play, etc.  The KC sports complex, in my eyes, is awful.  There's nothing around it, yeah, sure, maybe the tailgating is good but whatever.  The renderings were awesome.  I much prefer a downtown setting.

Which is why you can NEVER move Memorial, unless it's a block over.  All these people wanting a dome halfway between Omaha and Lincoln don't get it.  Go to a game at KSU then Lincoln.  Totally different experience and one is way better!  I only get back to one game a year but I absolutely LOVE the experience of staying downtown and walking through campus to the game.  If they ever moved it away from that area I honestly don't know if I'd bother, probably just watch on the flat screen.

4 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

I don’t live up that way and I know you have the pulse of things in a variety of areas of NE so have a question/s on funding.  
 

In KC, a huge mistake was made in the early 2000’s when both organizations (Chiefs and Royals) tied themselves to a renovation project instead of new build.  Fast forward 20 years and now the Royals want, and really need a downtown stadium, and the Chiefs want hundreds of millions to fix/renovate Arrowhead which is just gonna kick the can down the road a little farther when a new build would be money better spent.  Both should have been playing in new stadiums by now.   These are for profit organizations asking for public money for stadiums they will not own.  Jackson County threw good money at bad projects that only lasted 20 years.  
 

Not sure who actually owns Memorial Stadium, (University, city, county, state) but it’s a different case study vs professional sports.   Private donations for the stadium usually are how these things get built for colleges, but since the football team is so important to the state in terms of tax revenue, name recognition, etc…what would be wrong with a small statewide sales tax increase, or statewide car rental tax, to pay for a new build?  The money wouldn’t be going to billionaire owners which is the common objection in pro sports for these things.   The benefactor is the State University.  Would a 1/8th cent sales tax increase over 25 years or something like that be palatable to state in order to pay for a new Memorial Stadium? 

I have also thought about the sales tax aspect of this.  But maybe it's tied to Lincoln hotels and a bit heftier than 1/8 cent.  

Not to thread jack, but what do the Royals do now?  I'm surprised the ballot measure failed.  IS a KC KS burb willing to do it?

42 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I think the vast majority of fans understand something needs done with South Stadium.  But, the big question is, can something really nice be done cheaper than what was proposed?

Good question.  How much of the 450 mill was for south stadium?  I know there were a lot of other modernization things throughout east and west in that as well, and I believe with the vacated north stadium.  I just wouldn't have any idea how much that costs.  If south is 250 of the 450 then just pair it down to the south in this go round.  If its 400 of the 450 well then ok.  

On 4/2/2024 at 9:09 AM, Micheal said:

So a stadium like Memorial, concrete construction, 100 years old. How long can you expect such a facility to last? 

 

How long can you maintain and upkeep such a place? 

 

I only ask because Kauffman Stadium in KC, supppppppppposedly has concrete issues and it is only half the age of east and west stadiums here. 

I'm no structural engineer but I would guess a good part of the answer is how well it's been maintained over the years.  Up until BB was the AD it sounds like it was fairly neglected.  Listening to Unsportsmanlike Conduct this afternoon and the guys were talking about it.  They were making some good points about fairly soon something needing to be done, especially with south.  And the longer it's delayed the more difficult and expensive the remediation will be.  One emailer who is a south stadium ticket holder said it takes 1/2 a quarter to go to the bathroom.  That's absolutely ridiculous.  Imagine if they were selling beer?

5 hours ago, Hooked on Huskers said:

North stadium crappy too.

 

How about tearing down and erect an identical south update plan?  Carbon coping.

 

And nick-picky thing:  Remove all four mini video boards on top of stone pillars.  And then carved ....

• SW: "Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory."
• SE: "In Commemoration of the men of Nebraska who served and fell in the Nation's Wars."
• NW: "Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."
• NE: "Their Lives they held their country's trust; They kept its faith; They died its heroes."

Back to tradition view .....

 

Just one more thing SP effed up.  They tore down the field house, should have just taken it all the way and done what they are proposing in the south.  

2 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

Part of it is that they have an entire massive structure to first completely demolish and then rebuild from the bedrock up, but it's not just a grandstand. They also have to remake the computer science center or whatever the hell is living inside of south stadium right now. If you look at Darrel K. Royal as a comparison, there was hardly anything in the way to start with, and for all we know they were able to use the existing foundation which we can't.

 

Another element is the capacity equation. There are about 23,000 seats in south stadium. Let's say we did Texas' endzone the exact same to save on costs. That's roughly the first two sections of our proposed four tiered plan. The current plans are for the new south stadium to have ~15,000 seats. Just guessing based off my eyes but at least 10,000+ of those are the top two sections. So we'd be looking at a total capacity of about 65,000 and several thousand severely pissed off season ticket holders/donors.

 

Our stadium is old old old, we've got massive amounts of season ticket holders, we need to modernize which takes up more space, and the AD wants to make as much money as possible. That's a really tricky equation that won't be cheap no matter what imo, although I am sure there are pivots and alternatives to specifically what Trev had planned that could and would make sense.

Edit: Also, yeah, inflation.

That's what worries me.  Please please please don't just put lipstick and rouge on the south stands.  I really wish they would have just bitten the bullet before north stadium expansion and demo'd the stadium and built anew on that site.  I know that would have meant some massive inconvenience for a few years but they could have built something very nice for 500 and we wouldn't have this mess.  As it is now, I'd like to see them complete the south as envisioned, then about 10 years down the road tear out the risers on the upper and lower decks in east and west (not at the same time of course) and rebuild them, you could make it all essentially one level and redo everything underneath.  By doing this you get the fans in row 1 a bit closer to the sideline and higher up, and you get rid of those god awful obstructed view seats under the upper deck.  Essentially the original stadium would be the columns and exterior facade.   

3 hours ago, The Duke said:

I actually really like this concept! Well done! 

 

As someone who used to have tickets in South Stadium for many many years and has since moved to East Stadium they HAVE TO do something with South Stadium. Doing nothing is not an option. The further Nebraska waits to upgrade this section of the stadium the more it will continue to fall behind the times in terms of amenities, fan comfort, and safety regulations. Also the longer they wait to do something the more of the cost for materials will continue to increase.

 

The project needs to:

• Connect the concourses of South Stadium with East & West.
• Improve fan amenities and comfort with seatbacks and easier access to restrooms and concessions.
• Improve the handicap accessible areas to comply with current safety regulations.
• Slightly reduce overall seating capacity.

Specifically with the above concept I would love to see:

1. Students and band moved to the lower section of the bowl to give them their own area.
2. Maybe raise the upper section to where the top is about halfway up the height of the big screen.

 

While Trev's original concept should be praised and get credit for its ambition, the truth is it was simply too big and too expensive. The upper deck in Trev's concept looked more like Arrowhead Stadium. I think by shrinking the design to something similar as the picture above strikes a good balance in reducing the cost of the project while also still addressing a major need.

 

At the end of the day Nebraska MUST do something with South Stadium. They can't wait...but they can scale back the overall design.

A couple things to think about IMO.  The version from Trev already reduced the capacity 7k (some due to chairbacks in the rest of the stadium I'm sure).  So scaling it back to what hooked posted likely takes another 10k off here I would guess,

The other thing to note is that 450 had a lot of other improvements outside south stadium.  I say do south stadium and then take care of all that other stuff a little farther down the line.

As for the Longwhorns, much different project scope and some years ago.  Things aren't what they used to be cost wise.  that 150 million yesterday is probably 225 or more today.  

Nothing official here, but kind of a cool video I stumbled upon.  I wish whoever did this fleshed the idea out a little more.  Like show it from a distance without the animation.  

Can't wait to see some better renderings on what exactly the south stands will look like.  I've heard that may be a year out.  

On 9/30/2023 at 7:09 AM, Hooked on Huskers said:

 

You need to drag oxygen tank and high powered binocular .  East upper deck seats was way too high.  I ventured OU upper deck stadium, similar to Memorial ..... literally ants and I can't read player's numbers !!

 

 

Best solution, cover tarp in east upper deck seats

 

 

I've never seen a poster have so many good ideas like red hedges, etc, followed by garbage ideas like tarping east stadium.  Those are some great seats up there, although you don't feel quite the same atmosphere as you do lower.  These seats aren't any higher than any NFL stadium that seats 70k and has all chairbacks.  

I still don't get people acting like our athletic department can't do more than one thing at a time.  We have to build the team before we worry about the stadium, etc.  Trev can address all at the same time.  He's already put the football staff in place that he thinks will turn the tide.  He gave Rhule ample salary to hire the guys he wanted.  He's got a huge support staff.  Doing the stadium project isn't taking from NIL, what we can pay coaches, or anything else.  South stadium has been an eyesore for too long, and I've only sat there once, but apparently it's an enormous pain in the arse to get in and out of, get concessions, etc.  This is long overdue and the perfect time to do it IMO.  

Not sure how long this has been up and running, but here is a live feed from the back of the new complex. 

LIVE FEED

 

 

I think the team needs to ditch Adidas and partner with BBB Printing. This logo would make a great alternate.

 

 

I would prefer one of these two:

 

 

 

Is that Nebraska Republic shirt actually sold anywhere? That's honestly kinda funny.

 

It is. I just ordered one, I think it's hilarious. Link.

If memory serves - we usually only wear alternates for BIG 10 games anyway, right? If that's true, then there's no discussion. You'll see the Huskers run out onto that field with the classid red jersey and white pants. THE best uniform combo in my opinion anyway.

We wore alternates for the UCLA game a couple years ago.

I didn't figure it would go up much higher than that. But I am disappointed they didn't do the brick on the street level (under "int the deed the glory").

IMO, it's just a couple of tweaks from being a really nice alternate. First off, I am a fan of the monochrome (as long as it isn't monochrome white), but it needs a belt to break it up just a bit. Second, if you can change the sans serif N to black, why not do the iron N for a game? Third, speaking of black, dump it! So sick of the BFBS trend. All the black elements change to a cream and this uni is a winner.

It's the best of the three but still needs a few tweaks.

 

Hopefully the brick covers the wood grain in the concrete, I always thought that looked goofy.

 

Plain Jane

 

Beautiful. Beautiful. BEAUTIFUL!

 

How far up will the brick go on the west? My guess is it covers the basic concrete looking areas. So just up to the flags in this picture. I would prefer that it went all the way up over the arched windows on the sides but it's probably not going. A welcome addition regardless.

Really wish I could find that King of House for download somwhere.

Why is it even needed?? Seriously, 2 ribbon boards, 1 GIANT bigscreen and 4 smaller ones. Don't we have enough information points as it is??

Teams with a chance to win the Legends:

• NU
  
• NU
  
• Mich
  
• MSU
  

Teams with little to no chance:

• Iowa
  
• Minnesota
  

Teams with a chance to win Leaders:

• OSU
  
• Wisc
  

Teams with little to no chance:

• PSU
  
• Ill
  
• Indiana
  
• Purdue
  

Doesn't seem like there's much in the way of having original thoughts here. MSU may be a stretch, but it's not super unlikely. So, essentially, you have 3-4 teams to pick from in the Legends and 2 in the Leaders, PSU won't have enough depth.

 

 

 

 

Regarding OSU in the MNC, I don't see it happening. I don't think they are that good, they were VERY lucky last year to go 12-0 and had ZERO pressure on them.

 

I think you are right on OSU not making the NC game. As for last year, I wouldn't say they had zero pressure on them. Have you ever been on a team HS or College that was deep in the season and undefeated? Now multiply that by 1,000 and you get the pressure of being undefeated, even without a post season game, at schools like Ohio State, Michigan, and Nebraska. As a note, most teams need luck on their side to end the season undefeated.

 

I see a one loss OSU vs a one loss Nebraska in the championship game.

Maybe it would have been more accurate to say "nothing to lose." There is always pressure, but I don't think it's quite the same without postseason play. Agree that there is almost always some luck involved. OSU just didn't pass the eye test for me last year. Maybe it's just my astigmatism.

Teams with a chance to win the Legends:

• NU
  
• NU
  
• Mich
  
• MSU
  

Teams with little to no chance:

• Iowa
  
• Minnesota
  

Teams with a chance to win Leaders:

• OSU
  
• Wisc
  

Teams with little to no chance:

• PSU
  
• Ill
  
• Indiana
  
• Purdue
  

Doesn't seem like there's much in the way of having original thoughts here. MSU may be a stretch, but it's not super unlikely. So, essentially, you have 3-4 teams to pick from in the Legends and 2 in the Leaders, PSU won't have enough depth.

Regarding OSU in the MNC, I don't see it happening. I don't think they are that good, they were VERY lucky last year to go 12-0 and had ZERO pressure on them.

Starting to look like we won't get that new ribbon band this year. Oh well. Still looks amazing!

Not sure that was ever the plan and not sure it's really needed. It was on one render of the stadium, but that wasn't a very accurate rendering to begin with.

So we'll spend several million dollars to add the same amount of seats we already have..? Or am I missing something?

Which is why it will never happen. Unless the idea was more suites and have them closer to the field. But just for regular seats? No way.