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On 2/14/2020 at 9:15 PM, SouthLincoln Husker said:

It is being talked about. 

It sure is

On 2/12/2020 at 11:51 AM, SouthLincoln Husker said:

It is not sponsored by the NSAA.  As I have a friend that works there and confirmed it.

Hopefully soon! But yes, not sponsored yet

On 2/9/2020 at 9:43 PM, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Not yet, but there has been a push for it.

I can 100% confirm we have Power Lifting at the high school level in Nebraska. I would know as I'm a coach at my school

17 hours ago, CalhounHusker said:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wj9vdz/how-to-lose-weight-and-build-muscle-at-the-same-time

Here you go, a detailed article discussing how what you’ve said above is impossible. I could’ve used google scholar and really debunked your BS/

 

Also, sure.. I’d love to talk to said doctors, if you did it at UNO, I know the guy that currently runs that program and 3-4 of his GA’s. I’ve also taken said hydro weigh-in 3-4 times while prepping for shows. 

Argument over. Pulled a random article from vice. End thread.

Yikes

7 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

I think we’re on the same page here but not quite sure.  

 

Im all in on Frost and his offensive scheme/philosophy.  Quick strike or long drives, I don’t really care.  I just want points.  If he gets more and more top tier talent, the offense will be the least of our worries. 

 

My my main point was our offensive output by scoring fast/often should have no bearing on our scoring defense when the first team is in. I don’t care how quick we score, the best outcome on defense is a three and out, and in my mind you get three and outs by being aggressive and getting negative yardage plays out of the other team.  Now whether that happens because they recruit players like Ohio State has on D line this year where they can generate pressure with 4, or our D has to scheme pressure doesn’t make a difference to me.  

 

Pressure creates a hurried offense which creates negative yardage plays/ offensive penalties which creates 3 and outs and turnovers.  I hate when our defense plays a simple base defense, corners off the ball 8 yards on a third and 7 and we give up first downs cause there is no front pressure and the receivers get off the ball free and clear. 

Ah ok yeah were mostly on the same page haha. I just dont agree that we can have a top 10 defense with a Frost offense. I legitimately think we should be happy with a top 30 defense. I feel like if that happens were having a special season. 

Either way I can see your point and even argue for your main point, but just dont feel as strongly about it as you do. 

Your last paragraph I agree 100%. I know Chins has a uber aggressive defense but we have not seen it the last 2 years. Our D line isnt good enough (especially against wisconsin!) To only rush 3 or 4. Need exotic blitz like at UCF - but we dont see them) In fact, Frosts offense looks different too. 

I wonder why that is?

1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

I’ve never fully understood this argument.  Two ways to control time of possession is to have an offense that either grinds long possessions or has multiple first down scoring possessions. The second way to control time of possession is to get 3 and out defensive stops or only 1 first down defensive stops. 

 

Get more three and outs, don’t rely on a bend for 35 yards and don’t break defensive. Be stout and get the ball back to your offense from the beginning. 

Frost's offense is not a grind-it-out offense, so that won't happen. Although, I see him putting in more power plays so maybe he wants to have some of those aspects for the B1G which is a good idea. 

To your 2nd point, even with multiple first downs, this offense still isn't based on long, possession drives. Notice that whenever we want to play possession, we just sit at the line of scrimmage looking at the sideline until time winds down. When we're going at the speed he wants with the scheme down, we will more often than not be quick. This puts a lot of pressure on the defense after a couple quarters. Again, couple this with an aggressive defensive scheme we will get turnovers at the expense of yards being given up which limits the 3 and outs. 

Look, I know what you're saying and what you're argument is, but what I'm saying is that Frost wants an aggressive defensive scheme like Chin's and they have the chemistry for their schemes to play off each other. He won't fire Chins. Only way Chins leaves is if he takes a head coaching job which I don't see happening any time soon.

Embrace the schemes and trust in Frost. You'll soon see how effective they are together. We're getting glimpses of it every now and then. 

10 minutes ago, alexhortdog95 said:

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2019-team-defense.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2019-standings.html

 

The better the defense, the better your team fares.  One thing about this statistic is that it doesn't lie, and you can't argue with the fact that if you have a top notch defense, the more likely you are to be ranked.

 

For this argument, I pulled the total team defense rankings for teams whose defense was in the top 80.  I stopped there because Nebraska's defense is ranked 66th in the country right now.

 

In any case, here's the results of my analysis:

 

1. If you are in the top 20 defensively, the more likely you are to be in the top 10.  There are 15 teams with top 20 defenses that are currently ranked, 5 teams with defenses ranked 21-40, 4 teams with defenses ranked 41-60, and 1 team with a defense 61-80.

 

2. If you are in the top 20 defensively, the more likely you are to have at least 9 wins.  Wins and losses begin plummet greatly based on your defensive ranking.  The average wins/loss record in the top 20 defenses is 9-2.  This goes down to around 7-3 for defenses ranked 21-40, 6-4 for defenses ranked 41-60, and 5-5 for defenses ranked 61-80.

 

Point being - being satisfied with at top 60 defense makes you average.  Being satisfied with a top 30 -40 defense makes you just above average, respectable in some seasons.  Being satisfied with a top 20 defense puts you in the hunt for conference and national championships.

 

 

 

 

 

 

One last thing - Notice that in the top 20 defenses, there isn't a single team that is below .500...

 

Good research but you're twisting stats to back up your argument. 

You're basing all success based on total defense without looking at a bunch of other variables (offense, turnovers, points scored, offense, talent, etc.) 

Look up statistics on Time of Possession and total defense and see how they correlate - that's where Chin and Frosts' whole argument is based on. Also look up statistics on Frost's time at Oregon. With Frost calling the offense, they were like 63-2 when they scored over 30 points, hence the reason to base the success of our defense off of points scored and not total defense. Avg of 30 points scored against would be about a top 30-40 total defense. So yes, this is obviously successful. When a team ranks in the bottom half of T.O.P. they will have a average to below-average defense according to stats the majority of the time because the defense is on the field more. 

With Frost's offense, we will never be in the top half of teams in T.O.P. (history tells us this), couple this with the fact that this defensive scheme is not a bend-but-don't break style. It is very aggressive. It's aggressive because that leads to more turnovers to give the ball back to the offense. More aggression means more chunk plays that will be given up but that's OK given our offense. History shows these schemes are VERY successful together which is why it's unbelievable that people want to have staff changes and break up the schemes that go hand-in-hand. 

Frost and Chins have a chemistry that rivals any other Offensive play caller and defensive coordinator in the game today. Just because its taking longer to implement these schemes COHESIVELY does not mean we need to dismiss the history that's been built with Frost and his coaching. 

1 hour ago, huskered17 said:

The offense looks good if they can finish the drives, or get some kind points on the board. Not really worried about where they are headed. What I watched against a very good Wis D, was impressive. 

The defense is still maybe a couple years away. Maryland used everybody, but the waterboy at QB. Yeah it was nice to see the backups get playing time, but it was Maryland. 

Chin need's a couple of more recruiting classes, unless next year is as bad as this year. I hope he can turn it around. It would be nice to keep a staff around that really seems to be growing together.

 

GBR!!!

Agree with you that we need a few more recruiting classes to fit his scheme just a little better. We are well on our way. 

I wouldn't say this year was bad though regarding the defense. Chins has improved our defense quite a bit, from Diaco's final year, to last year, and then last year to this year has been steady improvement based on numbers. I'm actually quite pleased with the improvement. Wouldn't matter who we have as a defensive coordinator, a borderline top 30-40 defense is what we will always have with Frost's offense. 

Those that want to see Blackshirts of the past and a top 10 defense will be sorely disappointed, even once this thing gets rolling.  

10 hours ago, hskrfan4life said:

We don't give coaches time. It's either fix it now or your fired.

And it's obviously always worked for us so let's keep doing it 

On 11/24/2019 at 8:21 AM, twofittyonred said:

The words reality and exaggeration come to mind.. 

I'm glad you understand my post

Failing to see the point in this thread other than trying to get attention. Get it from somewhere other than an online message board, this wont satisfy your needs 

I find it hilarious that some posters automatically dismiss martinez to ever get better and that he needs to leave or not be the starter next year. 

The offseason hasn't even started yet but I suppose I should trust the "eye test" of these posters over D1 football coaches

1 hour ago, twofittyonred said:

McCaffrey is faster, more decisive and the offense seems to run more smoothly... why would you say "crazy"..??  If he bulks up a bit in off season he will be > Martinez..

Because McCaffrey isnt a good passer yet. Looks smoth because all it is is runs. Hell be really good but not yet

Thank you for letting us know, I feel like my night is complete now with this information. 

Also I thank you for creating a whole topic dedicated to how you broke your tv. I'm not sure what this board would do if there wasn't a whole thread dedicated to you

Wow unbelievable. I'm off this board for good. I literally have ads popping up in the middle of my phone screen with each page I visit on this site and NO WAY TO FING CLOSE THEM FOR 30-60 SECONDS. 

You really think I'm about to wait that long to read a fing forum? Who the hell is the new owner. Way to ruin a perfectly fine board that I've been apart of for 7+ years. See ya hope others follow

1 hour ago, BoSolich said:

the line is not thriving in the current offense. but they might be better in a power I offense where pass blocking is not as important.

ohio state has about 10 wan'dale's. 1 a year is not enough.

Our offensive line is much better at pass protection bud. Go back and watch games like I have and log the success of the O line on each play. Stop spewing crap to make your argument look good. Which its not anyway so keep trying

9 hours ago, Rochelobe said:

I've had a hard time being optimistic this season - seeing things like the bad center snaps, the kicking problems, the struggles to move the ball, etc.

 

I thought I'd try to take a look at how things have gone.  2 years ago at this point (6 games into Riley's last season), Nebraska was 3-3. Then the bottom fell out.  Whether the team gave up, Riley gave up, or whatever (its already been hashed to death), the impact of that horrible last 1/2 of the season seemed to have a huge impact into 2018 and maybe even still a little this season.  I think most of the "give up" attitude was addressed by Frost through 2018, and the issue this year has more to do with depth, inexperience (the O-line) and mental mistakes.  Maybe the players are pressing too much at times.

 

Anyway, over the last 24 games, there is a stark contrast:

 

Last 6 games under Riley, First 6 games under Frost: record of 1-11, avg score was 23.5-42.3. 

Last 12 games under Frost: record of 8-4, avg score of 32.7-25.3

 

So that is an improvement of +9.2 ppg on offense, +17 ppg on defense.

 

Granted the quality of opponents they've beaten hasn't been all that high.  Probably Mich St last year was maybe the best(?), but at least Frost is generally beating the poor to mediocre teams over the last 12, once the team started getting some experience with both his offensive and defensive philosophy.  I'd say roughly their record is 7-1 against poor to mediocre (the loss being to Colorado, who is currently 3-2), and 1-3 against good to great teams (MSU, Iowa, and Ohio State (twice)).
 

Other than the loss this season to Ohio State, the other losses have been competitive.

 

Hopefully they can keep it up against the poor to mediocre teams left this season (Indiana, Purdue, Maryland) and at least compete with Wisconsin and Iowa.  I'm not sure where to put Minnesota yet - as good or mediocre.  They are undefeated, but have played a very weak schedule.  Nebraska will probably be the best team they have faced so far this season.  After yesterday, perhaps Iowa can be moved out of the good down to mediocre category, but not ready to do that quite yet.

 

I think what people probably want to see is a team that doesn't look totally out of it against great teams.  Yesterday was important to not lose to a poor team - yeah the win was ugly, but it was a win. 

 

So is everything sunshine and rainbows?  Of course not - but I think there was been progress. It is hard to see during the games when yet another snap makes the QB jump like he's going for a rebound, but I think there is cause for optimism.

Shhhhh dont post logical data there is a group on this board that wont look at it and just want coaches fired and for us to win the natty right away

29 minutes ago, CapoValley said:

Alleged. 

 

Does this mean you think he’s improved?  Stayed the same?  Gotten worse but it’s Mike Riley’s fault?  Just trying to get a snapshot on how you feel this is all going. 

Cant determine if hes "regressed" as your side always says due to the O-Line. 

33 minutes ago, Beez said:

 

Nah.  Teams make quick turnarounds all the time.  That last excuse you are making was also made with Riley.  I'm not saying Frost needs to go, I love him as our head coach, but he needs to make some changes.  Farniok may not block as well, but high snaps have to really screw with a QBs head.  Imagine being a QB and your eyes should be downfield, instead youre focusing on catching a football that may come in high(if it does come high, you've already missed your first read).  That will throw the whole play off everytime even if the snap is good.  Mentally it will screw you up everytime.  

My whole argument is directed towards the people that are wanting Frost gone. So yes I agree with what you're saying.

However I will say most teams that make a quick turnaround have stocked talent already in the program. Before anyone tries to say "oh but look at our recruiting rankings compared to others in the B1G"...Our recruiting rankings have been heavily skewed the past few years before Frost.

So what changes are you wanting Frost to make? Becoming a revolving door of assistant coaches? That's what I'm getting at. People want all these staff changes way too soon in this rebuilding process. If you cant see progress being made with this team then I'm not really sure what to tell you. 

When we get the Oline Frost has been recruiting in place, well be fine. All of the offensive woes can be directly correlated to Line play

2 hours ago, southernoregonhusker said:

Frankly, I'm tired of Riley being the scapegoat.  He went 6-7, 9-4 and 4-6.  People act like he went 0-fer three years in a row.  5 to 7 years?  Frost can't win with players other than the ones he recruits?  That's a scary thought. 

 

So far, this team has regressed badly from the second half of last season.  2AM needs to now be referred to as "Midnight" because he's turned into a pumpkin.  The line can't block a bit even though we've been told these guys are stronger physically.  Our receivers can't get open on their own.  Apparently route running isn't taught by this staff.  Our offense is now "get the ball to Robinson."  Not quite the offense I expected from a guy who learned from Osborne, Walsh and Kelly.  

Still no reason for some of these fans calling for Frosts job already. 

Still no reason to judge Frost the way some are. Should the staff be immune to criticism? Absolutely not. But some are being extremely over-the-top with their criticism. 

If we still see these same mistakes in year 4 and 5 when it's all Frosts players for his system then we can jump to dramatics. 

People forget most of these players on the roster were not recruited for this type if a system and the young ones that were are young. 

What I learned is that there are a lot of instant gratification fans on this board. 

Its year 2 of the Frost era and considering the rebuilding that needs to happen it's not surprising we aren't playing up to some of your standards. 

Seriously every loss and ppl bitch and moan about the huskers and we need to fire this coach fire that coach. Sorry to say we wont be national champions beating every team by 40 pts in year 2 of a rebuild. All you negative toxic fans create more harm for this team than you realize.

Remember what Osborn said when Frost was hired? This is a 5-7 year building process. Our team was left THAT bad after the Riley experiment. 

TL;DR: Stop bitching and moaning because we aren't undefeated and winning each game by 40 pts

Just now, knapplc said:

 

My assertion is that quality third kickers are a luxury, not the norm. I doubt many teams have more than two kickers on scholarship. We appear to be in the neighborhood of roster management that most teams have.

 

We're down to our third kicker. It's highly unusual. Probably we'll give him a shot this weekend, but last weekend with the travel roster being smaller, he didn't make the trip.

 

But a guy could easily roll into Heins' ankle, thus we need to go searching for another body.

Yes agreed. It'd be interesting to see how many teams in the last 10 years had their first 2 kickers go down with injury at the same time. Maybe could count on 1 or 2 hands

3 hours ago, FrankWheeler said:

 

Somebody could also spin this as desperation.  They had the entire Spring, Summer, and Fall camp with these kickers and they are just now realizing they are screwed if the #1 guy goes down?

Jorgenson the 2nd stringer was injured too...people are forgetting it wasn't just the 1st string kicker. 

Usually is desperation mode when your 1st and 2nd string kickers go down with injuries. How rare is that to happen? I don't know how you spin this negatively whatsoever

8 hours ago, 4skers89 said:

I think sitting can cause them to tighten up.  He should stop going to class or stand up while attending.

I say just stop going to class. I've heard homework doesnt help with the healing process.

But really, I kept playing with mine so that didnt help. Hopefully hes close. Think it's around 3-4 weeks to be healed if it isnt bad