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34 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

Just because the man was a pioneer in the weight room/training field doesn't mean he knows anything about evaluating a football program. I don't value his opinion on this much more than anyone else's. 

You called into question his evaluation of the team's talent level.  Now you're attacking his credibility and suggesting a New Jersey housewife could offer up just as valuable an opinion on the current state of Nebraska football talent. 

You went from a garden shovel to trackhoe in two posts.  Can't wait to see what you start digging with next.

56 minutes ago, bnilhome said:

I am reading that it could take until Thanksgiving to find a full-time AD.  I would prefer that they find someone in October to allow that person time to observe the football program and Riley's leadership style so that person is prepared to make a move should the season not go the way we want it to.  I do not agree with Epley's comments that Riley needs more time to bring in talent.  There is enough talent on this team to have a better record than 4-6 in our last 10 games.

If you listen to all of what Eply said, he said MR has a good plan in place, talent level has improved over the last 3 years, depth still need to be brought up, team strength is improving, and finally said we should let MR have the time to fit the right talent for his system. 

I hold Eply's opinion and first hand knowledge in high regard. Do you have a good reason why we shouldn't take him at his word?

33 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Considering that every coach Riley brought with him has been canned or left because they were going to get canned it might show, just a little bit, that the guys he brought for the most part all sort of are average

So far it would appear those not pulling their weight in recruiting have been replaced with better recruiters. 

Something that should be noted, how applicable it is to Lee remains TBD.   Matt Moore transferred from UCLA to OSU as a jr. and won the starting job that year(2005).  He threw 19 INT's that season. 

The following season he led the Beavers to 10 wins, including undefeated #2 USC who had won 29 straight conference games, and a come from behind final drive(5 of 7 on that drive) victory over Chase Daniels and Missouri in the Sun Bowl.  Moore only threw 7 INT's in 2006, 12 fewer than 2005.

Hopefully with improved line play, some help from the receivers, and Lee learning to take what's there, he will show similar vast improvement and do it sooner than later.  If that happens this season some exciting and unexpected things just might happen.  Let's all hope it does.

1 hour ago, El Diaco said:

Some of you would be well served to consider exactly who it is you are arguing with and ask yourself the honest question if you think anything you say will make any difference at all to that person. Seems like some want to argue for the sake of arguing. If the other person has shown no signs of looking at anything from another viewpoint, ever, why waste your time? 

Excellent advice. 

Another thing to consider, rebutting is not always about changing the other posters mind.  Sometimes a counter response is, but a friendly reminder blatantly false, inaccurate, or exaggerated points won't go unchallenged.   Falsehoods stated often enough and left unchallenged, eventually become believed by some.

2 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Since I don't want to get banned ....

 

Concerning the "O" word you repeatedly used above"

2 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Since I don't want to get banned ....

 

Concerning the "O" word you repeatedly used above"

 

 

LOL 

2 hours ago, unlfan said:

 

Complete falsehood.

 

All objective stats say Bo was a better Nebraska football coach than Mike Riley.

 

What objective stat says Mike Riley is a better Nebraska football coach?

False argument.  There are no objective stats that are comparable.  Different schedules, players, opponents, injuries, ejections, officiating, etc.....

We can objectively say Riley inherited a team in much need of talent and depth to compete for a conference title.

We can objectively say implementing a new system almost always brings mixed results in the implementation stage.

We can objectively say starting a new QB brings mixed results no matter the coach.

We can objectively say implementing a new defense under a new DC requires transition time to reach peak performance.

We can objectively say Ferentz and Dantonio had much worse starts their first 3 years as Iowa and MSU respectively compared to MR's first three years at Nebraska.  They both wen on to have tremendous championship seasons over their next 3 years.  But I"m sure you saw that coming at the time right?

We can objectively say, Iowa and MSU were rewarded greatly for enduing the building stage and seeing the process through.  It remains to be seen if, we have the resolve to do the same.  

3 hours ago, dvdcrr said:

Hey man, I appreciate the optimism, respect your thoughts, have a great Sunday!

Same to you. GBR!!!

35 minutes ago, dvdcrr said:

I'm sorry, but this is not about me.

Mike Riley has done more to undermine Husker Football through laziness, apathy, and ineptitude than I ever could.  He has failed to ensure that excellence is maintained in this program.  That is evident.  If you cannot see that, well you probably do not understand why Eichorst was fired as well.  Riley is gone.  The simple fact is it takes time to get a good AD in place who might help find the right successor, and it takes time to evaluate HC possibilities.  But you need to understand Riley has been a failure at Nebraska, and his days are numbered.

1-0 in conference and getting there minus 8 or 9 starters, maybe more I've lost count.  Defense going in right direction.  Improved recruiting.  Players giving great effort which is always the best sign of good coaching.  Experience, learning, and corrections take time, so when you see players giving great effort it's obvious the improvements will come.  Take a deep breath, sit back, and enjoy the ride.  This team is getting better each week and lot's of backups are getting game experience in the process.   

2 hours ago, dvdcrr said:

It is too late for that.  If you can't see by now this isn't the guy then I almost feel bad for you.  Because this coach is gonna keep dropping 6-7 win seasons on your head.  How long will you put up with it?  When the fans stop coming?  When the recruits stop coming?  What will make you see?  This is not the guy.

BTW the firing of the AD means Riley is already gone.  They just don't want to do it this early.  But it is a done deal.

I love how you bring up the importance of recruiting and then just a breath later make statements you do not know to be true and that directly undermine recruiting efforts. 

If that's how someone "who cares" about the program acts, who needs enemies.

3 hours ago, dvdcrr said:

Ah..  So we have a full blown Riley supporter then...win or lose!!  

I've got a question then , I know you like Riley,  But what about the CORNHUSKER FOOTBALL PROGRAM?  

Some of us care more about that.

I find it hard to believe you care about the Husker Program yet spend a great deal of time attempting to undermine it.

You can offer up all the rationalizations you want, but when you undermine the coach, you undermine the team who plays hard for him. 

34 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

And I afford Riley to the end of this season. We don't look great after 4 weeks and we may not look good all season long. If that's the case, fire Riley at midfield after the Iowa game. But on the slim chance he turns it around and has this team in the hunt for a trip to Indy, I'm willing to give the guy a 4th year to see if these young guns all over the field can get better.

 

I'm not as dead set Riley is wrong for the program right now. I think he very well could be all wrong, but I think it is fair to give him this entire season to prove it one way or another. If we beat all of our divisional opponents this season I would be arguing he's the right guy. We haven't done that since we entered this conference.

 

So while it is easy to cast judgement now while we are in turmoil, I think I'll wait and see of the turmoil continues. We can't realistically fire and replace MR until after this season has concluded anyway so might as well wait and gather all of the possible information. 

Based on my conversations, it would appear the vast majority of Husker fans are close to your very level headed view with how they feel. 

It really baffles why a select few are so intent on waging a campain to convince others "he's not the guy".  If he doesn't get things going in the right direction he'll be let go. 

If he does, I have a feeling these people spending so much time talking down the Huskers will continue to do so even after wins.  Why?  Is it because it's more important to them to defend a line in the sand they drew than to support the coach and team succeed at the expense of possibly being proven wrong?

1 hour ago, dvdcrr said:

True that he is still our coach and you should support your team.(FACT)

 

But is also true(actually an UNKNOWN is not a truth) and more important that this is not the man who can get Nebraska back to where it used to be(UNKNOWN, just opinion).  Nor is he a coach who has shown any sense of urgency in the matter,(OPINION based on incomplete knowledge) which is particularly disappointing given his tenure and current state of the program.  And as such warrants only as much support and politeness as a gentleman would afford to anyone, nothing more.(False conclusion based on fallacy)

Your first sentence was factual. 

2 hours ago, GBRFAN said:

He is a solid back, however of the 3 he has the lowest per carry average and his carries prior to this game didn't look that great.  Maybe he had a slow start to his fall camp and will trend up going forward or maybe TB will get healthy and move back into the starting roll.  Most backs prefer to play enough in a game that they get into a flow and have a feel for how the defense reacts -  can't do that really when you have 3 backs that don't separate themselves.  Great game by him and glad to hear the crowd responded to his tough running - not sure that it's a valid reason to go after the staff thou.

You might be onto something with the slow start.  He wouldn't be the first player to report to fall camp out of shape or lacking a burning desire to earn playing time thinking it's already locked up.   I don't know that's the case.  What I do know is Tre certainly showed he was more than capable of the starting job and nothing I saw today, as good as it was, suggests DO should have started over Tre. 

8 hours ago, shyndy said:

Honestly if we are going to have a losing season every year we start a new quarterback then no, let's end this all now.

The season is far from over to determine it's a "losing" season already. 

Going forwards we have two backup QB's getting reps and learning the system so when they get tapped to go in they should be further along.  We are also building up the talent and depth level across the board .  That's important, just look at  Michigan's spotty QB play this year and how they can overcome it.  That will happen at N if we stay the course.  If we make another change we're that much further away.

People want results.  People don't want to do what it takes to get those results.  That's America anymore.  Give me, give me, give me.  Nope gotta earn it and that takes time + hard work. 

3 hours ago, lo country said:

I agree with your points save this. This is year 3 and our results looks worse...This is not talent, it's coaches.....Unsure how much giving growth and patience will work when we are a dumpster fire now.....

This is year one of a new starting QB, and new DC.   Message board hyperbole aside, we are literally a few picks away from  3-0. 

35 minutes ago, DrunkOffPunch said:

Never said that. It was rather obvious my comments were pertaining to Riley/Langs/Diaco. And if you visit Mav's thread there's plenty of 'meat' to back up those claims. 

I brought up Strong because Texas fans made the exact same claims and offered up plenty of "meat" too.  They were wrong.

36 minutes ago, junior4949 said:

 

A lot of us did.  This is why some of us are very skeptical of a hire like Mullen.  All any of us want is to get back to some sort of relevance.  So many different angles have been tried that we're beginning to run out of options.  I read an article today where unnamed ADs across the country had been interviewed about Nebraska.  The general consensus was that we would never be able to hang with the Ohio States and Bamas, but our place is a better version of a KState or Va Tech.  Not only do I agree with that, but I can also live with that.  KState isn't always in the hunt year in and year out, but they do make their runs and do occasionally win the conference.   

We are on the verge of that or more with Riley.  Looking at his best season's, they have almost all had one key ingredient, a veteran QB.  MR's first year QB's turn the ball over before things start to click.  Once they do click the entire offensive performance makes a night day transformation in a good way.

Honest question.  If this was Lee's second season as a starter aren't we 3-0 right now?  He has more INT's than TD's, that will change and I hope starting this weekend.  When it does, we win.   

52 minutes ago, DrunkOffPunch said:

That's nothing more than pure speculation. If your coaches can't put players in a position to succeed then it becomes a rather moot point how talented they are and how well they fit a system. 

Charlie Strong coached 3 losing seasons in a row at Texas.  According to your speculation, it's because he doesn't know how to put players in a position to succeed.

How do you reconcile that with the fact he went 11-2 and 12-1 the two seasons prior to Texas and is now 4-0 post Texas?

Your point is a great message board one liner but lacks any meat or reality. 

Systems do matter, putting the right pieces in place for a given system matters, and then giving those pieces the time/experience to master the system matters most of all.

1 hour ago, LaunchCode said:

It would be a lot more than "just one" recruiting class that would be disrupted.  2015 was a makeshift class.  If a coaching change was made this season that would be two makeshift classes in 4 years.  MR recruited guys to fit his system in 16 and 17', no guarantee they'd fit a new coaches system nearly as well so really you're looking at 3 to 4 classes.

 

 

 

One only need look at Iowa to see the importance of continuity and patience paying off.  Ferentz went 11-24 his first three seasons.  He then went 31-7 and won two conference titles in the next three years. 

 

Year four 11-2 (8-0) Conference title

Year five 10-3

Year six 10-2 (7-1) Conference title

 

 

Recruiting is more than just talent, it's how that talent fits the system, and it's also about building depth in that system.  Then comes the development aspect of the players in a system which happens over the 4-5 years they play in it.  Each year there is improvement, growth, and mastery.  Changing systems wipes that all away and starts us back at scratch.  You don't plant corn and expect to harvest it a week later.  Sure you can demand it ripen faster, fire the farmer for it not ripening faster, and replace him with a new farmer, but the corn isn't going to ripen any faster. 

 

The young guys who are playing are playing right now are bright spots:  Lamar Jackson, Tre Bryant, Tyjon Lindsey, Raridon, Farniok,  Spielman,  Ferguson, Bootle, Thomas, and the Davis boys.

 

Along with the redshirt freshman and this years class, we will be rewarded in the near future if we can remain patient and allow the growing process to take place.

To go along with the Ferentz example above.  Mark Dantonio's first three seasons at MSU 22-17 (13-11).

Year three 6-7

Year four 11-2 (7-1) Conference title

Year five 11-3 (7-1) Division title

Year six 7-6

Year Seven 13-1 (8-0) Conference title, Rose Bowl win

1 hour ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I'm with you 100% on this.  The administrators can't keep poor coaches and AD's around based on how it will impact 1 recruiting class.  I don't even know where Riley has greatly improved the recruiting, other than a couple of skill positions.  Even with "better players" recruited, he's either not playing them or they aren't playing well, which again falls on the coaching staff.

 

I would count on the next coach being able to better develop, teach, and inspire the kids to play better on Saturdays, because that's not happening right now under Riley.

It would be a lot more than "just one" recruiting class that would be disrupted.  2015 was a makeshift class.  If a coaching change was made this season that would be two makeshift classes in 4 years.  MR recruited guys to fit his system in 16 and 17', no guarantee they'd fit a new coaches system nearly as well so really you're looking at 3 to 4 classes.

One only need look at Iowa to see the importance of continuity and patience paying off.  Ferentz went 11-24 his first three seasons.  He then went 31-7 and won two conference titles in the next three years. 

Year four 11-2 (8-0) Conference title

Year five 10-3

Year six 10-2 (7-1) Conference title

Recruiting is more than just talent, it's how that talent fits the system, and it's also about building depth in that system.  Then comes the development aspect of the players in a system which happens over the 4-5 years they play in it.  Each year there is improvement, growth, and mastery.  Changing systems wipes that all away and starts us back at scratch.  You don't plant corn and expect to harvest it a week later.  Sure you can demand it ripen faster, fire the farmer for it not ripening faster, and replace him with a new farmer, but the corn isn't going to ripen any faster. 

The young guys who are playing are playing right now are bright spots:  Lamar Jackson, Tre Bryant, Tyjon Lindsey, Raridon, Farniok,  Spielman,  Ferguson, Bootle, Thomas, and the Davis boys.

Along with the redshirt freshman and this years class, we will be rewarded in the near future if we can remain patient and allow the growing process to take place.

If he's his own man he'll want to be a leader and not try to follow in predecessor's footsteps. 

Build a winner at UCF, win some conference championships, big bowl games, and he's their programs coaching legend and the measure all future coaches would be held up against.

Or, come here and constantly be measured against coaches from a different era under different circumstances and play a much tougher schedule.

Would like to call attention to the top video and Morgan's block on the outside backer.  I can watch that over and over again.

53 minutes ago, 3rd and long said:

 

Surprising enough this is the first time I've heard that. Maybe I didn't tune in for a while after the game. Who knows. 

 

I do find it it interesting however that on play with no pass option that Ozigbo happened to be the spot a receiver would be in if there was a pass option. If it was a bootleg, shouldn't all the flow, especially by the RB who is carrying out the fake, be going in the opposite direction? Possibly the play called on the sideline wasn't the one called in the huddle?  Again, who knows. 

 

I know the former college player/coach I was watching with thought it looked like a designed RPO. 

 

But it is interesting  to find that out now, learn something new every day. Even if you're skeptical about what you learn. 

Your assessment that the play given on the sideline was not necessarily the one called in the huddle is how I figured it most likely went down as well. 

1 hour ago, Mavric said:

 

Except, of course, for the part where the best playmaker intentianally removed the ball from his own hands.

 

Best playmaker?  Yes.  Best decision maker?  No.

Love TA, but ya. 

38 minutes ago, saunders45 said:

And as has been discussed to death, not all of the players believed that, and it was being cute for cute's sake. 

Cute for cute's sake is making an extra handoff in that situation you don't need to make.  Bootleg equals one less exchange for something to go wrong and puts the ball in the best playmaker's hands to seal the win.