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49 minutes ago, soup said:

As someone requested earlier in the thread to switch schemes up.  Chin did this on the last drive.  He switched to a Dime or Nickel defense.  And in doing so Mo Barry comes out on that defense.  That is why.

 

Can't complain about him not switching up schemes, and then complain about him not playing the best defenders.  Some schemes require different personal.  And that is Nebraska's biggest problem right now.  The Jimmies and Joes are not even close to the level they need to be to make the X's and O's even remotely work.

 

 

We have players all over the field who had multiple D-1 offers.  Learning a new defense and how everyone fits and works together inside of it takes time.  That we should all understand. 

N'western rushed for 175 yards per game last year.  This year it's only 70 yards a game.  They could cry about not having the Jims and Joes to rush the ball.  I've not heard a single word from Fitz after a loss claiming his team "doesn't look like the other team".  They've gone ahead and recognized they can't effectively run like usual and found another way to get it done instead.  They've buckled down and completely changed their offensive identity to win games.  Isn't that good coaching, doing what's necessary even when it's not what you feel comfortable with.

What I don't understand, and was very disappointed in, was the Wisconsin post game comments.  If we have to look like Wisconsin, or UM, or tOSU to beat them then we might as well wait until we've recruited a few top 15 classes before we expect anything of these coaches.  If that's SF's mindset, and it's hard to see how it's not based on his post game comments, the players hear that too and will keep living up to the expectation their HC has set for them.  You can't tell the players during the week or pregame they can go out and win and compete with anyone and then turn around and tell the media post game the players don't stack up with the other team. 

Whether that has some truth to it or not, you always build your players up and convince them they are better than whoever they're facing.  Until that happens it looks like we'll need a team full of blue chip players for our coaches to believe the players are good enough for them to coach to wins.

44 minutes ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

Depends on the individual's tolerance for alcohol.  The average person would probably pass out by middle of the 3rd Q.  I'd be at the end of the game, like Pam Poovey, calling everyone a bunch of lightweights. 

 

I've done the math.  Barring an exceptional number of "culture change" mentions by the commentators I've estimated a full game is going to require around 220 oz.  Roughly an 18 pack in 3.5 hours.  That's not even one beer every ten minutes.

1 hour ago, Making Chimichangas said:

I think if anyone actually tries this, they'll pass out--or die of alcohol poisoning.

By what quarter, should we start an over/under.

I laughed so hard reading that board there is no way I'm NOT playing.

1 hour ago, CheeseHusker said:

Oregon State Beavers football given NCAA secondary violation for Hawaii mail

 

 

I think this is one of those cases, like when a girl beats up a boy and takes his lunch money, you're just better off not draw attention to the event.

Accusing Oregon State of stealing our players to 99.9% of the rest of college football fans actually makes us look like the boy who got beaten up by a girl.  I realize there are plenty of tough girls out there, but you aint ever living that down once it gets out so you're better off just going on about your day and not drawing outside attention to what happened.

2 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Yeah, I'm not really sold on it either.  I could believe he had been talking to Gebbia and some of our former players before that.  But I really don't think it would all that hard to get that going in a couple days.  As in, I wouldn't be sure that means that any coaches were in on it before Tuesday.

 

Once they had a former four-star wanting to transfer in, I'm sure there was plenty of help on their side to make sure it got done in time.

 

Is he their highest-rated recruit ever?

That's an interesting question.  Is a transfer considered a recruit for recruiting rankings purposes?  I have no idea. 

247 lists 5 star OG Isaac Seumalo class of 2012 as their highest ever followed by Derek Andersen and Steven Jackson.  Seumalo has a Super bowl ring and the other two were pro bowlers with long nfl careers.  Not seeing that from Lindsey at this point, but maybe it's a move that benefits him.  We'll see.

We just need to score on 1st or 2nd down because we are not good on 3rd down.

63 3rd down attempts only 20 conversions.   122nd in nation.

1 hour ago, Landlord said:

Like, if someone scheduled us and Oregon State this year, and someone else scheduled LSU, which is the more intimidating, impressive, quality non-con? 

Would playing Or.St. count as a non-conference or inter-squad? 

On 9/11/2018 at 5:00 PM, brophog said:

I don't have any idea what this has to do with communism, but I agree with the lineman point. There are two rules regarding linemen that get abused to no end and that is lining up in the backfield and linemen being too far downfield. Neither is hard to call, they just consistently don't. 

Taking 3 yards of real estate away from the defense and giving it to the offense is wealth redistribution at it's finest.  

That's my best stab at translation.  On the other hand maybe he just smokes a lot of weed in his spare time?

22 hours ago, ScottyIce said:

But.....

 

What if we win 6 of our last 7. 

NW, Minnesota, BC, Illinois, Michigan State and Iowa.....

Knock off a solid Auburn team in a bowl game...

 

Stick with me here...

Are we ranked in the final poll at 7-6 with everyone jacked to high hell for 2019?

What's more unbelievable:

The above scenario

or

Nwestern beating Sparty with 8 total rushing yards. Yes 8. 

Just now, Nebhawk said:

Riley is responsible for some of this current teams woes.  He recruited some of this less than spectacular talent to this campus.  Realistically other than some poor recruiting/building talent up, its hard to blame him for this 0-5 start.  

 

In other news though, I do think that his former staff mates here are making things tougher for our new staff with having contact with our current players.  Sounds like the majority of our players leaving want to go to Oregon St?  Bell was given a no sign clause to attend the Beavers...............muddling in a program that they already partly trashed.....no good.

Every recruiting class by every coach has hits and misses.  Bell was a SF recruit.  Scholarship misses are one reason we love the walk on program so much.  There are several very good players MR recruited here as well as some less productive ones, but before blaming him or the player for so called "misses" it's important to first acknowledge those players were not recruited to the system they find themselves in. 

Outside of Trent Brey there are no former MR staff members coaching at OrSt.  Langsdorf was with the Ducks last I heard and Diaco at OU.  I'd be very interested in seeing any evidence former staff has proactively reached out to N players as opposed to the other way around.  I don't find it at all surprising players recruited by MR or their parents would seek out his advice if they were considering transferring.  In the case of Gebbia, Or.St's current HC had recruited him hard while he was OC at Washington.  My guess would be that had a lot to do with him ending up at OrSt which would have zero to do with former N coaches.

2 hours ago, lo country said:

We get our first W on Sat.

Wildcats caught looking ahead to Rutgers?

2 hours ago, Saunders said:

Banker's D made every QB we faced look like Drew Brees.

Banker chose to limit the run while Chin appears to limit the pass.  Maybe someday we'll have a defense that can limit both at the same time.

2015 vs Wisky

147 rushing yards allowed,  322 passing yards allowed,  469 total

2018 vs Wisky

370 rushing yards allowed, 163 passing yards allowed, 533 total

1 hour ago, Mavric said:

 

It's not a purely subjective opinion.  It's comes from looking at the stats.

 

From a post a couple years ago (end of the 2016 season):

 

Below is a comparison of how many yards per play we allowed for the year compared to what our opponents averaged for the same year. Not a perfect metric but it adjusts for several variables such as strength of offenses faced and pace of play. As you can see, last year's defense was within a stone's throw of the 2007 unit for the worst in the last 14 years (as far back as I could find stats). This year's seems better because of the bad offenses we faced but is really right in the ballpark with the vaunted Callahan defenses. The yards per play we allowed were all but identical to the rest of the defenses our opponents faced meaning we were barley above average.

YEAR - YPP - OYPP - DIFF
2003 - 4.3 - 5.15 -(0.85)

2004 - 5.0 - 4.91 - 0.09
2005 - 4.6 - 4.85 -(0.25)
2006 - 5.2 - 5.38 -(0.18)
2007 - 6.0 - 5.53 - 0.47

2008 - 5.4 - 5.41 -(0.01)
2009 - 3.9 - 5.21 -(1.31)
2010 - 4.5 - 5.29 -(0.79)
2011 - 5.2 - 5.51 -(0.31)
2012 - 5.3 - 5.48 -(0.18)
2013 - 4.9 - 5.36 -(0.46)
2014 - 5.2 - 5.53 -(0.33)

2015 - 5.7 - 5.28 - 0.42
2016 - 5.2 - 5.30 -(0.10)

 

We were also poor in allowing 20+ yard runs (#83 in the country) and Red Zone defense (scoring % - #80).

 

The 2015 defense was all but identical to the 2007 defense in terms of allowing more yards per play than the opponents were averaging against the rest of their schedule.  They were both over half a yard per play worse than almost any other defense we've had over that time period.

 

 

 

It's not a question of why it wouldn't work.  It didn't work.  

 

You're cherry-picking one game and acting like that's what Banker's defenses were always like.  That year (2012) they were decent.  The year before they were #86 in the country.  The year after they were #101.  Why did it only work for him one year?  If it was only going to work one year, why couldn't 2016 been the one year it "worked"?  The year before Wisconsin beat them 35-0?  Why couldn't he shut Wisconsin down that year?

I'm not cherry picking anymore than you are.  If we can both agree Wisconsin is the game we need to start winning to turn things around then looking at how a Banker defense dominated a Wisconsin offense is relevant to that point.  Not the whole story, but certainly on point for the goal at hand which is to beat Wisconsin.

I hope we can also agree comparing numbers from one season to another is also not the whole story.  Different players, schedules, coaching changes etc, all can play a big role in the numbers.   A program like OrSt. clearly doesn't reload every year so of course you'd expect ups and downs.

My biggest disagreement was with your original statement, Banker is terrible and after less than one half of his first game(BYU) you had already made up your mind.  Considering a team can actually take a step backwards when a new system and coaches are brought in that just seems like an opinion you had already formed long before you even watched that first half.  This years team is a prime example of what can happen when new coaches take over.  I'm not declaring Chin terrible after an 0-5 start.  I have my doubts, but he deserves time before final judgement.

46 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

It doesn't water anything down. It may give you an excuse to dismiss it instead of have a rebuttal but all it shows is it was pretty obvious to see how bad it was right away if you were willing to see it.

 

 

Rebutting a purely subjective opinion is a waste of time no amount of facts presented are going to change.   

What I initially stated was fact and not opinion, Banker's D shut down Wisconsin's offense with Oregon St type talent. So why do you think that wouldn't work here?  Are you saying Oregon State had better talent?

41 minutes ago, In the Deed the Glory said:

Why are you always consistently defending the previous coaching staff.  Just stop.  It makes you look spiteful.

In the age of social media where deliberate falsehoods and half truths are posted by the second, my question back to you is, why don't more people call out b.s. when they see it. 

39 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Banker was terrible.  It didn't even take me one half of one game - watching the BYU game from the stands - to figure out that his defense wouldn't work.

 

His 2015 defense was literally 2007 bad.  The 2016 stats look better but we also played the #124, #105, #97(t), #113, #71, #97(t), #100, #73 and #94 offenses in yards per play.  So our defense looked better playing against bad offenses.

Your mind was made up less than 2 quarters into his first game.  Kind of waters down anything you say afterwards as highly self serving bias.

Bankers first five games as DC we allowed 24 points per game.  Through five this season we giving up 39 points per game.  One of those number sure looks far superior to me. 

21 hours ago, Huskers93-97 said:

1 thing in defense of Pelini. He did coach in the SEC and won a natty. So I think he knew what it took to stop power running physical offenses. When he had the horses he had no trouble stopping Ohio State in the National Championship

For many of the same reasons N fans are now willing to give things time to develop, I think Banker got the short end of the stick here.  He actually showed he could shut down Wisconsin's offense with Oregon St. talent.  From first year here to the second he had N in the upper half of the conference in total defense and 3rd in INT's without an effective pass rush. 

One of the knocks against him was that his defense couldn't stop spread offenses, but his D came up with enough stops to let us come back and beat Oregon in second half.  With one year under his belt he shaved average yards allowed per game by 40 yrds and avrg points allowed by 4 which is even more impressive considering we played tOSU and Oregon in 16' and not in 15'.  People were so livid with a 9 win season and bowl loss to an SEC team someones head had to be chopped, enter the Diaco debacle.  If Bankers D showed similar improvement from year 2 to year 3, 2017 would have been an entirely different season.  I count 4-5 more potential wins in that scenario.  Instead we went from an upper half defense to the rock bottom in 2017.

Go HuskAirs

7 hours ago, Jeremy said:

There is a lot of evidence Riley let kids slack off. Very little off season lifting, messy planes and locker rooms, a lot of standing around during practice, little player leadership or accountable culture. These aren't the only reasons we're struggling but they're a big part. 

You missed the larger point I attempted to make.  Did kids slack off under MR?  Sure.  Have kids slacked off since SF took over?  Sure.  He's brought it up several times in fact in post game press conferences.  The difference is how each coach could go about dealing with that.  Suggesting both coaches are/were in the same position to deal with those issues is the silly part.

SF has a unique opportunity few HC's will ever have.  The right AD, fan, and booster support to draw a hard line and take his time and not have to worry about losing his job if he doesn't produce wins immediately.  We're betting the house if SF has free rein to do what he wants then things will get better eventually.  I expect they will.  How soon I don't know.  

5 hours ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

Honestly, I never really saw this speed he was supposed to have.  Maybe he wasn't going full speed?  Maybe effort was questionable?  So maybe in Corvallis he'll thrive?  

 

However, if Mike Riley didn't care that TL wasn't working out here, I doubt he'll require it at Oregon St.

 

 

MR is not the coach at Oregon St..

There's not a coach we've had in the  bazillion years prior to SF who could survive coming in and preside over this number of players leaving without serious risk to his job.  Do you really believe MR could have drawn a hard line and stuck to it if Pelini players started bailing and kept his job after the first season? 

It's ok to recognize MR and SF were dealt entirely different hands.  Suggesting he let players slack off is a bit silly.  Right now SF has a huge pile of chips in front of him with the house ready to back him with more.  He has the green light to burn the house down if he wants.  Suggesting MR could have done anything remotely similar is a fantasy.  He had to actually attempt to motivate his players to work hard and give their best without the threat of an ax.

It remains to be seen if these players leaving will benefit us in the long run.  What it does immediately is buy the current coaches more time and a pretty good excuse for a lack of results on the field.  If things don't turn around in the next couple seasons, assistants will be the next sacrifices to buy more time. At this rate some may go much sooner than two years.

Lindsey's size isn't that big a limiting factor.  A lot of similar sized players have had highly productive college careers.  His speed and route running precision will be much bigger factors IMO.  

1 hour ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

I think it was perfect lol since they seem to want the guys that couldnt play on a team that cant win a game up to this point. 

What coach wouldn't take 4 star transfers with several years of eligibility? 

Gebbia, Roberts, and Lindsey are quality players with high potential in the right system.

Don't forget Ferguson was committed to OSU when MR was named HC coach so Roberts is a bit of payback IMO. 

14 hours ago, TheSker said:

You truly don't think the coaches are addressing penalties?

 

Seriously?......

That makes me feel better they're completely ineffective not inattentive?

Would losing with walkons really be worse than losing with scholarship players? 

On 10/4/2018 at 5:24 AM, melscott62 said:

Now people realize that our defensive numbers will be inflated because of the offense we run..... right?

Washington State ranks 8th nationally in total defense, TCU 15th, among other examples.