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40 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Pose your best theory about what's afoot with Frost's program, please.

That would be below the knees.

Can we safely rule out Oregon State as a destination?  

After a little investigation their true frosh backup who earned starting job after injury currently leads the conference in rushing and is 3rd nationally.  The original starter who had 168 yrds vs tOSU in opener is expected back soon.

If it turns out he's not leaving the team, just not traveling to the Wisconsin game due to some family emergency or other understandable issue then this thread will go down in the rush to judgement hall of fame.

This team played faster and more physical in the first game of the season than any game since. 

Wouldn't that be evidence they're getting softer under the current coaches not the past?

2 hours ago, secretasianman said:

There you go, woofing up the Huskers, on a collision course with doom.

http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/Woof.html

 

be enlightened.

The Purdue loss occurred after the "All things Nebraska sucks" thread. 

The only theory in football that matters is, the team who believes it will win, will win. 

Time for some positive vibes around here.  5 reasons why you think we beat Wisconsin

1.  Frost was playing possum through the first four games just to get this win.

2.  Martinez makes their D look silly. 

3. We dominate the line of scrimmage on both sides of ball after player only meeting this week.

4. The bad apples are gone, no more stupid penalties and turnovers.

5.  Frost said, "Wisconsin is the team to catch and we will."

6.  Coaching advantage Nebraska. 

41 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

I guarantee you TL did NOT see himself as a possession receiver.  Just go watch his high school film.

 

 

Yeah, you were emphasizing the guys that you think fit your narrative and dismissing counter-examples.  Not surprising.

 Watching his high school film won't tell me or you one iota about what "he thinks" he should be.  Besides go back and read the post, I was pretty clear that I was paraphrasing a post based off memory and might be off on the position that post claimed he wanted to play. 

What narrative do you refer to and exactly how did I "emphasize" those guys?  Bold, all caps, repetition, other?  What's not surprising are the baseless insinuations.

43 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

It's likely that had at least some part to do with it.  We'll never know how much.  If Lindsey didn't think he fit in Frost's system, I can't imagine how it will fit any better in any other system.

 

But three of those top eight guys didn't even make it to Fall Camp under Riley, let alone giving Frost a chance.  So I think there's quite a bit more to it than just a coaching change.

Someone earlier in this thread floated the idea TL saw himself as a possession receiver and not the slot(going off memory so may not have that exact).  I guess the point is, if he did see himself at another position he wasn't going to have a chance to play for SF that could certainly be one possible reason for his departure. 

As for the other guys I was mainly thinking of Gebbia, Obrien, and Roberts.

38 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I’m thinking that Frost inherited a bunch of junk bonds that ended up worthless when the companies went belly up. 

Ok I laughed.

That said I'm not about to call those players trash.  At eighteen years old they committed to a coach, system, and vision he pitched to them on the recruiting trail of how they would fit in his plans to make N a winner in the coming years.  All that changed the day he was fired and I understand why they might not feel the new system and coaches are a good match.  It's really up to the new coach, assuming he wants them, to win them over and make them see how they'll fit and want to give max effort for him going forwards.

51 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Yes, but people were also saying that Frost would be inheriting a roster with good, young talent, based on the 2017 class. That class is vanishing before doing much of anything at NU. 

If I should ever inherit a fortune, I will accept full responsibility for growing and holding onto it.  I certainly won't blame those who left it to me should I squander it away.

42 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

If any of them are stand-outs on their new team, that would be the case.

 

But I'm not holding my breath for most of them.

When MR left OSU ,Anderson took over and several of the QB's MR had recruited left. 

Del Rio went to Florida and earned the starting job, Kempt transferred to Iowa State where led the team to wins over #3 OU and #9 TCU on the way to a bowl win over #25 Memphis, and last but not least Marcus McMaryion transferred to Fresno State where he beat out the returning starter at QB and led the team to 10 wins.  4 games into this season has a 160 passer rating, 72% completion rate and over a thousand yards passing. 

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Gebbia and Obrien have similar success in the right system. 

38 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I know that players choose a school mainly for a head or assistant coach. However, the 2017 class will give little to no return for the Nebraska program. This is the class that Riley supporters pointed to as the class that was going to lead NU into to the future.  

I'm assuming when those people said that they weren't counting on a coaching change?

37 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Wow. 6 of the top 8 ranked recruits. Talk about a bust of a class. 

All fans would like to think recruits from all over the country choose their school, team, and state because it's so special.

The fact is players choose teams in large part because of the coach and how they fit in that coaches system.  

Reading the board after the Purdue loss I learned losses this year are due to our subpar talent whereas last year losses were due to all the great talent on our roster not being developed by the coaches. 

I also learned with the "right" coach on the sideline, losing to Purdue at home creates less uproar than beating them in dramatic fashion on the road. 

14 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Most top athletes want to be pushed and held accountable.  When Riley let the kids do whatever they wanted, it created a terrible atmosphere. So when Frost tries to turn around that culture, push the kids and hold them accountable, some kids will respond positivitely, some kids will respond negatively. That’s the schism we seem to be experiencing right now. 

18-23 year olds are no longer "kids" they're young men.  Don't confuse a coach allowing young men the freedom to start acting like grown men as letting them "do whatever they want".  

At some point you stop baby sitting boys and micro managing them.  Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think that should happen long before 18 and they reach college.

1 hour ago, Nebhawk said:

This coaching staff is not lost.  

 

If our program would have stayed the course with Riley for one more season, it would have been lost!  I don't think enough people are giving enough credit to Riley for being such a poor coach and recruiter.  Riley makes Callahan look like a genius.  Don't care about recruiting rankings.  Riley might have on paper had decent class here and there.  They weren't Big 10 ready recruits.  They weren't going to ever be Big 10 recruits.  

 

FRost is not regretting this at all.  He might be resenting this fan base, but not the job at hand.  We have sucked compared to our standards for 17 years.  Frost is merely trying to restart this all over again.  Still can't believe all the doubters.  This program was near rock bottom last year, and is still near that when you look at the product on the field so far.  Many of the same players.

It's laughable reading over and over again people claiming last years results were due to coaching and turning around and blaming this years results on the players who by and large a year older and more experienced.  

Let's just be honest.  Constantly changing systems, terminology, and schemes will set even the most capable of players back.  It's just spin suggesting SF's record will improve given time to recruit to his system and get it fully implemented,  and on the other hand hammer MR who didn't get that time to fully implement his system.  He was forced to accept a new DC and defense in his third season so back to square one even though it was year three.  Up to now we've been more interested in getting our pound of flesh than biding our time and letting things develop.  Hopefully that changes.  

8 hours ago, Redux said:

It was one thing watching us struggle to run the ball because the staff didn't care about the ground game.  It was an entirely different kind of hurt watching us utterly fail to run it when the staff wanted to run it.

Losing Tre Bryant early last season really hurt the run game. 

He had 300 yards in two games, compare that to OZ who was our leading rusher with 493 yrds in 10 games followed by Wilbon with 379 in 11 games.

With Tre we averaged 4.84 yrds per carry per game, after Tre it went down to 3.1 yrds per game.

3 hours ago, Mavric said:

This is why it still surprises me that Oz gets this kind of play.  Should have been a nice gain.  But he's not fast enough.

 

Even though 10 bites on inside fake, he's lined up outside OZ pre snap to begin with so not the advantage it first appears.  Also Oz receives ball 7 yards behind LOS, LB is only 3 yards off LOS when he starts his pursuit.  That's a 4 yard advantage to the LB and yet OZ still picks up 2 positive yards. 

What stands out most to me on this play is what happens to our left guard.

1 hour ago, Landlord said:

 

 

 

Language is made up man. 99% of people hear 'prodigal son' they think of someone who left home and then came back home - they don't think about the literal definition of the word prodigal. 

 

That's the same argument some use to encroach on our 1st, 2nd, etc... Amendment rights.  "Well the founders didn't really mean what it looks like they meant, here's what those words really(wink wink) mean"

Seems more and more people aren't that concerned with importance of language and meaning.  Sorry, just a pet peeve and I will quit now. 

4 minutes ago, jsneb83 said:

Or they're just quoting the biblical parable of "The Prodigal Son" in the simplest meaning of he left and later returned

Then why say the Prodigal Son returns.

Going with your explanation that would translate to: the returning son returns?  I think you're being generous. 

Saying our Prodigy Son has returned would be acceptable, but calling SF a Prodigal Son carries a very negative connotation with regard to his character and decision making.

Ok maybe I'm being way to picky for a football message board, but it bugged me when the announcers used it during UM game and every other time I read or hear it used.  lol  

Why do people keep referring to SF as the "Podigal Son". 

Clearly either people don't know what prodigal means, or SF's history and accomplishments as written in numerous articles are entirely inaccurate. 

Perhaps prodigy is the word some folks are after?

Anyone who leaves a great job no matter how well it goes at the new job will have some second thoughts.  Anyone who doesn't, didn't build any relationships they miss at the last job.  Needless to say I'm sure he built many.  Factor that along with it not going well at the new job and of course anyone would have some regrets.  

I wonder how much SF really wanted the N job and how much he felt obligated to take it otherwise he'd be letting down a lot of close friends and family?

It really doesn't matter now, he took it, he's here, and should focus 100% on making the most of it and not what ifs.    

What's left but to have a sense of humor and ability to laugh at our situation in an honest way without being debbie downers about it.  We're not good, so what.  It's not like we're experiencing a real crisis like a beer shortage.  

Imagine being a home dog to a 1-3 Purdue team during prohibition.  Now that would really suck.    

9 hours ago, DrunkOffPunch said:

Any player that was on both that 2013 team and 2017 team would have been a freshman that was redshirting. Yes, Frost got some great players from O’Leary but he only started 6 total seniors and IIRC had 18 of his own recruits in the 2-deep in 2017. He rehauled the the roster not unlike what he’s doing here.

Of UCF's 16 All Conference players 13 were Seniors and Juniors.

The game has changed and we don't play in the same conference with a similar schedule as back when we played "Nebraska" football.

Bo had enough time to bring in his players and establish his system.  In hind sight we can obviously do a lot worse than Pelini, however it just didn't appear we had a higher peak we could reach with him here and 9 wins with losses to ranked teams wasn't cutting it anymore with his attitude.  Maybe hiring a new OC with the right offense and BP might have been able to get those wins in the big games that counted.

MR never got the chance to get his guys or install his system to completion and was forced to make assistant hires that did nothing but set the team back to day one of his arrival.  The offense has already been proven successful in this conference for a number of years, but that's all water under the bridge and here we go again.  The biggest thing that worries me about SF's offense is the beating QB's will take playing a BIG schedule.  It may take a lot of luck, or 3-4 QB's to weather a season and that concerns me.