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26 minutes ago, ScottyIce said:

 

Most coaches are d-bags? Idk, we just fired a whole staff and I wouldn't call any of them d-bags. I also don't consider any of the coaches we just hired d-bags.

Fair enough. That was a mistake on my part to generalize a whole profession. 

I also realize that it was a mistake of me to open up a can of worms when I don't have an hour to reply to replies. I should have anticipated that.

We don't have enough information on a lot of stuff. And we still don't know where the recruits and transfers will go. But this is me giving y'all notice that my opinion of Frost has been changing as more of this stuff comes out and the benefit of the doubt disappears. 

I'll be on later to debate. I imagine this will be a topic of conversation. 

1 minute ago, ScottyIce said:

 

No one here should feel bad for UCF. You guys just went 12-0. We went 4-8. End of story. It's business.

No one is asking for pity. Most coaches are d-bags. The ones that aren't usually get results like Riley. The question is: is Frost the kind of guy that UCF fans can root for or is he just as selfish as the majority of coaches?

12 hours ago, Sparker said:

Are you breaking up with us?

Until/unless some new details emerge, it might be time for me to leave HuskerBoard. 

Here's what I know: people don't root for the coaches that leave them. It's a business decision, nothing personal on both sides (though people make it personal). With Frost, UCF fans could root for him because he's SUCH a nice guy and he loves UCF SO MUCH. But here's what else I know:

1. Frost didn't have to talk to other schools during the year. It would be better for him to do so and position himself well for any opportunities, but better for UCF if he told schools, I'll talk to you after the season is over. Decision: in the best interests of Frost

2. Frost didn't have to accept an offer from another school during the season. He could have said, "I'm interested, I'll only sign after the season". Better for Frost that he does what the new school wants, better for UCF if he waits. Decision: in the best interests of Frost

3. Frost didn't have to take the whole staff, there are numerous ways that he could make sure the players had some continuity (find a different TE coach). Maybe even someone that knows how to recruit Nebraska/the midwest. Better for Frost that he keeps every staff member he feels like (including admin asst's), better for UCF if Frost leaves somebody somewhere still in place. Decision: in the best interests of Frost

4. Frost doesn't have to take recruits. He went to Nebraska early so that he could get a jump on recruiting, even if it puts UCF behind the 8-ball. UCF is putting a staff together from scratch, but at least Frost's staff got a good start on recruiting, right? Better for Frost if he sets himself up as well as possible and tries to flip all the recruits that were committed to UCF, better for UCF if Frost doesn't take the whole staff AND try to take all the recruits right before signing period. Decision: in the best interests of Frost

5. Frost doesn't have to take transfers from UCF. But it's in his best interest to take everyone and everything he wants. Decision: we don't know yet

Then there's stuff that isn't as definitive, but doesn't look good in context:

1.  The leak during the championship game. Looks like either Frost wasn't careful on his side or he carelessly dealt with an AD that didn't give a crap. I'm not sure how Frost comes out well in this scenario unless he was fuming about it, but made sure to keep his rage from becoming public. 

2. The coaching staff clearly started checking out once the decisions started to be made and the team started looking worse and worse. The lower margin of victory was one of the reasons the CFP listed for ranking UCF so low.  Looks like either Frost wasn't careful on his side or he carelessly dealt with an AD that didn't give a crap. I'm not sure how Frost comes out well in this scenario unless he was fuming about it, but made sure to keep his rage from becoming public. 

I'm willing to wait and see if some new information emerges, but it seems like Frost is not the loyal guy I thought he was, or perhaps, loyal to one school instead of two. We'll see. I think the preparation put in the bowl game (if he coaches), the recruits flipped, and the transfers will paint a picture of a loyal Knight and kindly Huskers AD who handled the transition as ham-handedly as possible, or two guys who aren't incompetent and just like playing nice guys on TV. 

If it's the latter, there's no reason for me to be here if I'm actively rooting for bad things to happen to Frost and Moos. 

I could be everyone's favorite UCF troll?

2 hours ago, Sparker said:

This can't be good for Frost's legacy there, not that it matters (to me).

 

He's taking long time coaches, and going after UCF's offered and committed recruits... From Nebraska's perspective we have to take everything we possibly can to hit the ground running and I don't fault him one bit. It is a big upgrade for players and coaches across the board as far as potential at Nebraska, but man UCF is going to be starting from scratch in a lot of ways.

 

Good thing their football excellence fund was topped off.

We're pretty pissed off. I'm pretty pissed off as well. 

On 12/5/2017 at 6:20 AM, Enhance said:

Precisely. I think it's very admirable and respectable to want to coach that game for the players at UCF. On paper, it seems like the right thing to do. But, when you start weighing all the factors (like we've mentioned) it starts to get more awkward with each passing day. It could end up doing harm. Just speaking from my shoes - I would prefer a clean break as a UCF fan.

 

Part of me wonders if he's secretly hoping his OC gets the head coaching job and coaches in the game. That might make it easier to say 'you know what, they're in pretty good hands.' I imagine the OC would be interim HC anyways but I don't know if they've made that call yet.

I mentioned this on another board as a reason to hire Walters. Walters could be HC for the game, Frost could be his OC and then a lot of the awkwardness goes away. Like a band reuniting for one show, even though they're all going their separate ways after. 

Most UCF fans are conflicted. We know that Auburn will be a tougher opponent than Baylor was in our last big bowl and that we have no chance with Heupel and a bunch of new assistants installing a new system in a few weeks. And I think most UCF fans admire Frost for actually wanting to be loyal to the players and not leave the school hanging. 

The most complicating factor is the recruit poaching. I'm not really sure WTH Frost is thinking with that. You can either be magnanimous or screw over your former team in these situations, but there's not a lot of gray area.

You're already screwing over the team by taking all the coaches and making sure the team will not be the same one that shows up at the bowl. But you can explain it away as "we have a good team of coaches, we wanted to stay together, didn't know who the new coach would be" and if you come back for the bowl, I think all reasonable people understand. 

But know one is forcing you to poach recruits. And I get it from Frost's perspective, most of these recruits committed to him and not the university and who knows if the new coach will want/utilize them. But it looks really bad. And it knocks down the magnanimity down quite a few pegs and leaves a lot of people very suspicious of what else you're capable of.

If I'm White, I tell him to stay away from the recruits or not coach in the bowl. Be a hero or a jerk, but don't try to be both, it just makes a lot of people unhappy. 

On 12/2/2017 at 7:53 PM, Making Chimichangas said:

Whomever Frost hires for assistants are going to get my full support.  I mean, they can't be as bad as the guys we just got rid of, right?

1 hour ago, Crusader Husker said:

Considering a monkey with chalk and a chalkboard could have done the job at DC just as well, I am going to give the guy a chance and time.

I think y'all should start off being optimistic. And there could be a number of reasons why the defense looked so bad. 

I'm mostly just putting these posts on here because I think y'all will turn on Chinander like we did and then I can come back here and be like, "I know, right? Chinan(d)er is the worst..." and we can commiserate together. 

27 minutes ago, TheSker said:

I'm personally a big fan of a defense causing turnovers.

Me too. But when you sell out everything else, you have a great turnover ratio and an unimpressive final score. 

On 12/2/2017 at 10:54 PM, The Dude said:

I imagine "is Frost willing to fire his buddy" will be a major topic of discussion in the coming years.

Sorry, guys. I hope that Chinander is better for y'all than he was for us, but I don't know a UCF fan that wasn't happy to see him go. 

And this was a progression from the beginning of the season where everyone wanted him to take over if Frost left. But his defense became more about forcing turnovers than stopping scores. For your sake, I hope that the rapid decline over the season was because he was checking out and looking for other jobs rather than other coaches figuring him out.

But that's a really sad best-case scenario. 

I went on Huskerboard and didn't see the Frost Megathread and my heart stopped. What is life w/o the Megathread? Did they take it down?

I barely recovered when I found it so far down the list...

9 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

Not to mention Lars and I tossed out the same 7 year 35 mil number weeks ago...

I just don't get guys like Hedley that take info from JessicaO and pass it off as their own...

2 minutes ago, olddominionhusker said:

Congrats on the win. Good luck. Sorry about the a$$hole$ that invaded y’alls forums and stuff. 

This is just how it goes. I've been appalled at some of the UCF fans. "I hope he fails at Nebraska" "He's dead to me"

Seriously? The guy just completed the best program turnaround ever, the best season of your program ever, turned down every program except his alma mater to stay at a G5 school, what more do you want from the guy?

People just identify so much with their teams that they make it way more personal than it is.

You Nebraska fans have been WAY classier than any other fanbase would have been. 

Ok, so I'm revising my percentages of where Frost goes. 98% Nebraska, 2% UCF. 

I know it's official, but I think there's a 2% chance that he gets to Lincoln, finds a media tent city set up on his parents' front lawn, then comes back to UCF. 

If Moos resigned today, would you rather:

have Eichorst return or get the Tennessee leadership team?

6 minutes ago, Clifford the Big Red Dog said:

 

Do we have any information on the status of Scott Frost's Christmas tree?

Is any of this information JessicaO-level certified? If not, I won't believe it.

1 minute ago, ladyhawke said:

So no Walters? (OC). What do you bet they offer him the HC?  I hope so.  That way they will have some continuity after Scott leaves.  

Yeah, I've warmed up to the idea of Walters.

But we need to start developing our own Frosts that want to come home to UCF. 

4 minutes ago, Horace said:

Maybe they should just give themselves the death penalty at this point. Put a stop to the football program. Wow, just Wow!

Salvage some honor?

1 minute ago, Dilly Dilly said:

 

It does get way out of hand, but cfb is a mega business.  It's as ridiculous as coaches salaries being so skyhigh.  10 years ago, what UCF is now paying Scott would have made his salary one of the highest in the country.   Now, we have guys making 8+.. it's ridiculously inflated. ... but you gotta do it if you're wanting to keep up with the joneses or be better than the joneses.  You'd think there'd be a plateau coming soon, but it's not happening.

It makes sense, though. There are CEOs that make millions, but it is difficult to tell how much better they're doing than a replacement-level CEO. Or an average person with some training.

But with coaching, you can tell. It is way too easy to tell how good your coach is versus a replacement-level coach. And no average joe with training could just step in. 

Therefore, they're worth a lot of money, because there are finite resources (people) available. Like NFL quarterbacks.

Just now, Husker56 said:

 

Wow if this is true, it's not just the fans making UT look bad. This would be the equivalent of TO interfering in past hires/searches which obviously I can't imagine.

I didn't imagine Tennessee could look worse than it has.

6 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Not a shot at you or UCF but I don't consider a lazy river, mini golf course or anything of that nature to be top notch facilities. Those are just fancy extras in my book 

 

Not to say any team doing this doesn't have great facilities, I just consider it a separate thing entirely. 

I'm not offended. I was posting to make fun of how ridiculous the arms race has become and juxtapose Nebraska's Athletic Performance Lab (which helps athletes improve) with a lazy river athletics village (which panders to the fantasies of 18yo's). 

But the arms race to build theme parks and robot butlers is where it will go. There is only so much you can do to increase performance, but there is a lot of money to spend on entertaining teenagers.

3 minutes ago, Dilly Dilly said:

 

Other schools (two in Florida come to mind) have coaches complaining about the lack of facilities, trying to get admin to address it.  Like someone said, it's a huge arms race.  I disagree that it's not a huge draw for coaches/recruits else there wouldn't be the ungodly amounts of money being thrown at constantly innovating/renovating facilities, and coaches complaining about their school's stuff.

Just wait until UCF builds the lazy river...we'll have to bat away National Championships with a stick.

But, wait! What if other schools starting building their own waterparks? With more roller coasters? Oh no, the arms race has struck again...

3 minutes ago, runningblind said:

Nebraska has things like the Athletic Performance Lab that is cutting edge in all of sports. Several NFL teams have come to learn about what we do and copy it. 

Ok, stuff like that that is unique to UNL makes more sense to me why there is so much pride in the facilities. If it's just a slightly shinier version of what everyone else has, I don't think its a huge draw for coaches or recruits.

7 minutes ago, Red Five said:

 

I don't think we have the best facilities in the nation, but I would say we are in the top tier.  Every P5 school is investing in facilities nowadays (gotta do something with that TV money since you can't pay the players).  Within our division, Iowa just built a great new facility.  Minny and NW are in the process of building new football facilities.

Someone has to explain the facilities thing to me, b/c that seems to be a big thing here and a point of pride for Nebraska fans. 

Just now, StPaulHusker said:

We have great facilities.  Saying they are the best, or anyone else's for that matter, is just subjective to who is grading them.

 

There is nothing any other school has that Nebraska doesn't have some equivalency.

OK, so does Nebraska have amazing facilities that any coach would want to have or just the same stuff everyone else has?