OTHusker

1 hour ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Held mentioned that he had problems ready coverages and in this offense a back needs to block.  I don't want to get you worked up, but like before this had to due with poor coaching & conditioning. 

Like my post says 

he won’t ever start but he adds better depth than what we’ve had in recent years

i watched him play his last 2 years at bw

runs zone pretty well

pretty patient

 catches well

explosive off of the counters they ran him on

was able to run through 2nd level defenders reasonably well

durable - lots of carries 

after what ozigbo did last year im doubting any of our backs are thinking they got better coaching from the Oregon state bozos 

17 minutes ago, CalhounHusker said:

@OTHusker Actually, my point wasn’t just that you seem to be the biggest Debbie downer on the forum, but if you’re such a great coach of tackling form, what program are you currently instructing at? Overall, I recall LJ being beat a lot, and subquently being benched for it:

This then lead to him even considering transferring and then realizing that he needed to adapt to the system. Thus leading him returning to the starting lineup again and seemingly progressing as a player. Thus, leading to the point that he celebrated making solid contact on the play, on what actually seems like a decent hit. God forbid after a decent block shed and great angle. 

Also, I’ll throw highlights of Richard Sherman making a bigger, but relatively similar play were he forces a player out https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TsEWbN0cUiY who so happens to be coached by the almightly Pete Carroll,  the greatest coach northwest of The Mississippi.

When Jackson starts tackling with any consistency like Sherman and has a rare bump out instead of the butt or bump being his primary mode of attempting the tackle -  I will gladly retract my stating what his present game says  he is- a very weak tackler 

it was a great block shed and a fair angle at best albeit in a tiny space 

17 hours ago, suh_fan93 said:

 

Bradley is deceptively fast- has good lateral movement and sees the field really well

I dont think he will ever be a starter- but we need depth at RB- and he could help

They said he struggled with some personal issues last Fall- but is over it- so good stuff

55 minutes ago, Enhance said:

A few posts have been moved to a new Tangent Thread in the Woodshed. Let's please keep this thread about spring practice. Also, 

 

 

Who is making this about race and where are they making it about race?

WI Husker- "Somewhat to Big Ern's point I think criticism of play is fair on a board, but I'm curious what the rationale is behind using numbers or "this player" to do it. I know a lot of former players and media members do it as well, but why? We all know who we're talking about, I'm just genuinely curious about the difference between "Jackson has shied away from contact" and "this player has shied away from contact" and similar statements. I know a lot on twitter was directed at Young - what's better about saying "#5 took a bad angle" as opposed to "Young?"

Young and Jackson are black- then in a later comment he said when people talk about #81 being slow- they dont mention his name. Warner is white. 

It seems like about everything these days in made into something about race- hope this wasnt was being trotted out- maybe it wasnt.

Some more info on tackling:

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/08/15/college-football-tackling-methods-robots-targeting-rule

Seahawks coaches call the hawk tackle—in which the defender hits the ballcarrier’s thigh with a shoulder, grabs him and either spins him or powers him to the ground. Kwiatkowski teaches that series at Washington, and former Ohio State defensive coordinator Chris Ash talked Buckeyes coach Urban Meyer into adopting it before Ash left to take over at Rutgers. Seto had been trying to persuade the Seahawks to adopt shoulder tackling when a comment from a visitor from the University of Birmingham—not UAB, the one in the United Kingdom—earlier this decade led him to video clips of rugby tackles. Seto saw players hitting ballcarriers hard enough to knock the breath from them, but the tacklers weren't launching themselves or leading with their heads. They had efficient leverage and their heads to the side of the contact zone. This was a concept he could take to All-Pro DBs Kam Chancellor and Richard Sherman. “They have to really believe that this is going to help their career,” Seto says. “Not just to make them safe, but to make them more effective.”

By that point Kwiatkowski had already made his own rugby connection. He worked at Boise State when the NCAA implemented its harsher punishment for targeting. Knowing he wanted to help his players to aim lower and keep their heads to the side of the ballcarrier to avoid ejections, he called on a college buddy who belonged to the Snake River Rugby Club. He helped Boise State coaches understand the leverage involved in rugby tackling and showed them drills. Kwiatkowski and the rest of Chris Petersen’s staff had moved to Washington by the time the Seahawks released their video, and they found themselves running on a parallel track with their local NFL team. “When we started doing this, we weren’t sold on the fact that getting the head behind versus in front was going to be a more efficient tackle. But now we know,” Kwiatkowski says. “When you shoulder punch and you get your foot in the ground and you tackle low, you’re way more efficient at getting guys on the ground.”

4 hours ago, WyoHusker56 said:

Shoulder to hip, wrap, elevate and drive for 5 is great in a controlled practice. Have you ever played football? That's not how it's happen 95% of the time. Should you teach that? Yes. Is it going to happen in a live scenario like this probably not. 

 

If you watch that video Jackson cuts back up field to make the tackle. He's not coming head on with the guy. There is no way that he can wrap and elevate when they are both moving upfield. I know you don't teach guys to tackle like this, but the point is he did the best he could in this single scenario to out a shoulder on the hip and drive the guy out if bounds. On the next play he could have hit the guy with a perfect form tackle you have no idea. So to use this single play and say he hasn't improved is nonsense. 

yes I played 12 years worth

Not every tackle is going to be perfect, but our kid really didnt do much of anything correct on the "tackle" , with the exception of the excellent block destruct

Weve had far too many missed tackles right?

Far too many bumps instead of tackling right? REALLY dislike how we try to push ball carriers out of bounds- then fail to do so

31 PPG- lots of bad tackling

Got more physical as the season progressed, but still not there. 

Absolutely you can wrap lift and elevate from a side tackle- watch the Carroll video- plenty of live examples of it on that video as well as how they rep it- teach it. 

Most teams these days work on form into a landing mat prior to going 100% live

We do this drill in the below video- BUT we do with with BOTH players running upfield at the same time- Carrol does the same thing Im just copying him

Same principle- shoulder to hip, head behind, contact and elevate- drive for 5- to the ground

https://www.championshipproductions.com/news/2016/07/14/create-leverage-with-this-tackling-drill/

If you think you know more than Peter Carrol when it comes to tackling- you need to get to the NFL- make those big bucks

Yes the classical approach when you are criticizing a player say in a text box on hudl film you use his number or a position name

when he does something well you use his given  name

we are in an Internet forum 

who cares if we use name or number 

2 minutes ago, Husker in WI said:

 

I didn't say anything about race.. Just legitimately interested in why people use generic terms to talk about a player instead of their name. Same question with either of the guys you mentioned, I know people will point out clips saying things like "#81 just isn't fast enough here" instead of saying Warner. I don't have a problem with that comment, I just don't get why it's not "Warner isn't fast enough here."

Lots of people have used Warner’s name, Gerry’s name, bunch’s name, Farnioks name etc etc 

6 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

You already said that Riley's coaching staff was terrible. You have to break bad habits to install good ones.  The new staff even said that the first year was about basics.  I think you just like to argue.

They were 

we all know that 

tackling is a lot about want to

when I see kids shy away from contact that just gets to me 

same for the absolute basics of pad level and wrapping up 

if you are learning how to tackle in your 12th year of football

thats a big problem 

3 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Angles are the hardest thing to coach on defense and it isn't even close.  

 

 

That is 100 percent true 

however choosing to aggressively engage is an attitude and dna thing

50 minutes ago, Husker in WI said:

Tackling is a problem, no one disagrees there. Where some people disagree is the claim that the video is an example of that - it's not great form, but it did the job. We can agree to disagree there, but in any case it's one clip and we'll see if it's still a problem on Saturdays. For all we know Fisher chewed him out for it in film review, or maybe the guy was out of bounds already.

 

Somewhat to Big Ern's point I think criticism of play is fair on a board, but I'm curious what the rationale is behind using numbers or "this player" to do it. I know a lot of former players and media members do it as well, but why? We all know who we're talking about, I'm just genuinely curious about the difference between "Jackson has shied away from contact" and "this player has shied away from contact" and similar statements. I know a lot on twitter was directed at Young - what's better about saying "#5 took a bad angle" as opposed to "Young?"

Youre nitpicking 

if you’re going for the race card thing

lots of people bagged on Nate Gerry and think warner shouldn’t be playing and are in Washington’s corner so don’t go there

could care less what color someone is or where they are from

can you help us win games and rep the university well

thats all most of cars about 

27 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

This coaching staff had him for 1 year, you must believe in miracles!

If a player has already been playing football for 11-12 years

when it comes to tackling and the want to there

by year 12 if it isn’t there

it isn’t going to magically appear 

it isn’t about learning how to jam a receiver or pattern read or banjo 

it’s either in your dna by then or it’s not 

20 minutes ago, BIG ERN said:

As long as people aren't tweetng at players or going to games and being an idiot towards them, I don't see the big deal in criticising kids play on a football forum. Believe it or not, not every player on the team is good. We were 4-8 last year

Tackling is about technique but also a lot about want to

while this player has freakishly good athletic skills 

his tackling has consistently been bad

he shied away from contact last year 

took terrible angles and whiffed a bunch

goes back to very shallow recruiting classes in that position group 

so he may be the cleanest dirty shirt we have to wear 

sure hoping he gets better or someone better steps up

just not s fan of non physical play or lack of discipline 

36 minutes ago, BIG ERN said:

I will judge LJ with his play this upcoming season. I saw many times him shying away last year and it was annoying to watch. I think all the fans are hoping he has improved, but want to see it on Saturdays. 

Hater

we all want to see him play better 

no harm in that 

our tackling is weak

otherwise we don’t give up 31 ppg

the facts are the facts

its got to improve for us to move forward

or we can bury our heads in the sand and pretend it’s not an issue or not have enough football knowledge to appreciate that it is a problem 

1 hour ago, CalhounHusker said:

Long time lurker, noticed over the last week or so you have about 1 positive and 20-30 negatives to say. He does a great job shedding the block and forcing the ball carrier out of bounds. Also, there was no cut back, because if he would've cut, he would've been out of bounds. Thirdly, if you ever have done any real coaching or taken any coaching classes, you always reinforce negatives with a positive. You have no idea what happened after the play, and what was said by the coaches. Overall, it was a great play.  

I’m not coaching him up

im commenting on an internet board 

and I’m negative on the way he tackled last year 

does anyone really think this kid is even in the 35th percentile for tackling in this league ? 

Commented on the video i saw in this thread which looked like more of the same from last year 

which wasn’t good 

I’ve coached over 25 years and attended dozens of clinics

im not coaching him face to face 

Im commenting on a board 

to critique you the exact same way  you did me

if you knew anything about tackling or had coached or taken many tackling classes you would have known his tackling attempt was terrible 

1 hour ago, teachercd said:

I coach form tackling...but I sure don't expect it in a game because I remember that the guy with the ball is trying too.  During a game I just want my guy to get their guy to the ground.

Which he didn’t do

nor did he last season

thats why he saw less playing time 

Just now, Husker in WI said:

 

So you must not have cheered when this happened:

 

When he starts playing in the same galaxy as Ralph Brown- sure I'll be all over it

Until then his consistent poor tackling is something that hurts our defense and overshadows his great athleticism and reasonable coverage skills

2 minutes ago, WyoHusker56 said:

Not fair to judge Jackson based on this cell phone video taken from way back. His history is what it is we all know that, but you can't look at this one video and totally condemn him. Maybe this was his first poor tackle of the drill. The running back bounced way outside maybe Jackson was letting up so he didn't smash him into teammates that are right there. He also is clearly coming from behind the running back and fighting to get his head in front instead of horse collaring the guy. To bash him off this one video with zero context is unfair and the reason we don't get more media availability. The point of this is Jackson went head to head with his blocker and beat him who cares if that is a redshirt middle schooler he did what he was supposed to. Commend the guy for practicing hard and work with him on his technique. Saying his tackling continues to SUCK when you haven't seen anything besides this one video is bull. 

 This is more than one video

His tackling sucked last year for most of the season- same stuff as we see in this video

As to getting head in front- no that isnt how most teams teach tackling these days- and to horsecollar you you have to have your hands near the neck- which would be awful

Aiming point is near hip- with shoulder which would put you fairly low- away from grabbing with the hands to the neck area

Shoulder to hip, wrap, elevate, drive for 5

14 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

It's an indoor drill.   We have no idea what the coaches are telling the players. I agree that got need to relax. 

Are you serious?

What difference does this make if it is an outdoor or indoor drill?

3 Level Oklahoma is a block destruction and tackling drill teams use both indoors and outdoors- meant to teach - block destruction and tackling with a very small pursuit function

Im very confident our coaches arent telling the kids to tackle high, dont use your arms or hands

Blocks to get kids out of bounds is unsound on many levels- you CAN knock players out of bounds, tackle low and wrap up- this isnt a mutually exclusive thing. I hate seeing poor fundamental tackling- especially when our team does it so poorly and is celebrated.

Thats just me- when Armstrong was throwing all of those closed eye YOLO bombs into double coverage- even if they were TDs- I wouldnt clap- because in the long term- those YOLO prayers were going to lose us a bunch of games. Dont encourage bad behaivior even if it by some miracle yields an odd positive result

7 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

 

 

Know who else used that tackling training?

Watch the video

If you think Rileys coaching staff taught that- where were those tackles on the field?

Night and day PCs teams and Rileys teams

You didnt consistently see those nice tackles on the field- Rileys team and our current team does not tackle very well at all

This wouldnt be the first thing Rileys coaching staff coached poorly

Historically they werent good teachers- so what is so surprising they couldnt teach Pete Carrols tackling approach ? It would be consistent that they didnt teach that well either. 

While Im sure they had access to lots of great ball protection techniques and drills- they didnt execute those very well either- many other examples

Add in a very lazy and ineffective weight program, practices that werent physical

("those Iowa practices must be bloodbaths") , slow non inclusive practices and of course youre going to have a team that tackles poorly. It doesnt matter if you claim to use a particular approach- if it isnt taught properly (coaches putting their own twist on things) and isnt repped enough.

Add in the fact most of the kids didnt have the backup skills taught properly (tackling angles, run fits, block destruction, speed and strength training), they arent going to be successful. Not sure Ive seen a team like Rileys that were worse at tackling angles and of course they lacked physicality and aggression- but hey that's not the coaches fault right- then whos fault is it- the custodian, the basketball coach, the weather- the parents?

Once Frost starts consistently winning big here- we can finally call out the absolute laziness and ineptness of the ridiculous smilin mike experiment

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8 hours ago, Husker in WI said:

 

8 hours ago, Husker in WI said:

 

Relax, he knocked the runner out of bounds which counts the same as a take down tackle. The celebration is for 1) winning the rep, which they did, and 2) knocking the blocker into next week. Obviously you'd rather he wrap up and form tackle, but at least he's being physical. 

 

Yeah his tackling needs to improve, but it already has over the course of the last year. Jackson bought in and turned his career around, and there's still a section of the fanbase that would rather he fail because they have him pegged a certain way. 

We all want the kid to succeed - which in turn helps us win games- which I thought is what most of us want.

However in spite of this players great athleticism he continues to consistently -tackle poorly, he consistently does this in games and in this drill

the rb could have easily cut back and made him miss thanks to the defenders aiming point, pad placement, head placement and choice not to use his arms and hands

I teach shoulder tackling patterned after what Pete carrol teaches 

not far  off from from how I was taught how to tackle over 40 years ago

with a few nuances and fresh teaching approaches 

21 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

I knew when I saw that video the tackling experts would be in full force. Can anyone tell if you are supposed to wrap up when you tackle or not? Ive never really got into the technical detail of it. 

Ok

how exactly was that “tacklers” attempt at tackling enhanced by not using his arms and hands ? What advantage did it give the “tackler” 

not a big fan of letting backs pinball all over the field because our defenders are trying to block or butt the player into stumbling and falling rather than actually attempting a to the ground tackle 

this defender is a notriously poor tackler at least he’s consistent

he better be Dion sanders in coverage 

nothing new

our defense has been very consistent at it and of course reaping the rewards of very poor tackling 

to think this player - his teammates and fans think this is good is the most disturbing part 

29 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

 

 

Serious question: Is Scott Frost the coolest m'fer on the planet? 

Kids legitimately having fun without hip hip horray- no body needs to work hard- let me be your buddy and feed you ice cream every day nonsense

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34 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

I never check out the male body more than I do when I look at Spring Practice picture galleries after Winter workouts.

 

 

-McCaffery (at least in these pictures) doesn't look as small as I thought he would. Already looks a little bigger than Gebbia every did (which isn't saying much).

 

 

McCaffery looks like Arnold compared to Gebbia- who almost always wore long sleeves to hide his tiny arms. McCaffery is an athlete who lifts- he will be a legit 200 next year- not the 165lbs  means 195 under Riley