N is for nowledge

12 hours ago, teachercd said:

Ahhhh yes!

 

Just like when Bo was kicked out of a softball game.  The most recognizable man in the state throws a fit for 15 minutes at a softball game and then is tossed out and escorted out of the field complex...yet...not one picture or video.

 

The legend of his tirades is growing longer than the legendary length of my Johnson.  

 

Just like Billy Moos being hammered at local Lincoln bars and passed out on the table and/or hitting on randoms...yet...not one picture or video...

 

There is more video of Bigfoot than there is of Bo and/or Moos doing this "horrible" things.

Um says who, you?  Again, a respected espn Mlb journalist stated bo and the starlings got into it, initiated by bo.  Again, people whose job it is to know the facts/details laid them all out clearly on rivals.  Excuses, revisionist history, and 2+2=9....ahh the land of make believe one lives in to be a bo supporter.

6 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

To be clear, most were not in agreement with the way you phrased how they left. People just expect a certain amount of dignity to the process, that's all.

To be clear, there was plenty of dignity as I phrased it.  Non contributors need a helping hand to other opportunities.  I didn’t say bring them in say thanks, scholarship is gone good luck.  I made it clear we should assist in finding them another SCHOLARSHIP opportunity, might not be d1 but they will have a scholarship somewhere.  Pretty straightforward and shouldn’t have been controversial at all.  I’m just glad to see it’s being done finally.

5 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

 

link plz

Several articles are available with google.  Peter gammons still has a general tweet up about it.  I got more details as part of the rivals board at the time after gammons tweets. Not from general posters like you or I but people that make their living off knowing, as an example Sean Callahan.

6 minutes ago, BigPeterJ said:

I understand why you dont like him.  But why does it matter if assault is on t.v. or not? It is just as bad wether on national t.v. or not.  And if hitting someone with a hat is the worst he has ever done.  Color me impressed.  

I guess I forgot to mention too when he brought a rapist or two onto the team at YSU, made natl news.

https://footballscoop.com/news/bo-pelini-plays-convicted-rapist-malik-richmond/
 

oh wait, how about that time starling let them know he was signing Mlb.  Bo, and the circus crew hopped in the car road tripping to kc.  Upon arriving at a Hs kids house started doing cookies in the yard throwing beer bottles out the window and at the house.  Bubbas dad had to threaten to call the cops before they drove away.  Peter gammons did some really great reporting on the incident.

So sorry not to impress you but assaulting someone is probably down ole bos list a bit.  I mean gee, what a high character guy, right?

9 minutes ago, BigPeterJ said:

I find it ironic you call him a s#!t human.  Do you know the guy? Im sure your a far better human arent you?  I already pretty much know your response.  According to yourself your one of the best humans ever huh?

No, I’m not perfect.  I can say I’ve never almost assaulted a referee on natl tv, never taken a flamethrower to my former bosses institution, nor had the home team pa ask that police come get me off the field. I know enough of the guy I feel confident on my statement or I wouldn’t have said it.  
 

my opinion you obviously have yours.  Like I said, I’m grabbing popcorn and watching the show.  I like Ed O, but am pretty sure he’ll regret this in the short term.

34 minutes ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

The question is why do you feel so down upon the team?  Frost not the coach you wanted?   The Frost recruits just not good enough?   The team not trying hard enough?

Why are so many so negative now that the team is really becoming Frost’s work product?   His recruits with his schemes and his training and his winning ciulture etc?   This is year 3 when the real fun and the new and improved Huskers are going to reveal themselves.  
True believers are now just non believers I guess?  

Idk, maybe because of MRs last class and Scott’s first we are suiting up underclassmen almost across the board.  Specifically hurts on the oline and front seven on the dline.  This holds even more true in the big10.  I’m not down on the team, I’m acknowledging where we were when he took over with the previous 2 coaches being complete clowns

1 hour ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

It’s so amazing to me how far and fast Frost has fallen out of favor with so many who were practically idol worshipping him when he was hired.  Even thru the disasterous first six game of year one, the devotion and almost blind loyalty was there.  
   Now the tide seems to be flowing the other way as great expectations are morphing into perennial mediocrity / losing seasons and a defeatism etc.  All this just as the Frost recruited players are hitting the field with the time to develop and learn the system.   
So many didn’t recognize the talent and effort and coaching issues of the past 2 decades.  Now they have no patience to give Frost time to resurrect things and basically believe it can’t be done by anyone.  
If I had my druthers Frost would install a good basic power run package of 25 plays a game to go with his spread passing stuff.  But I am happy with most of the progress Frost has made (except the lack of success in special teams mainly).  
I am a die hard Husker for life but I feel the changes are happening but haven’t quite become evident in the wins column.   Tougher schedule - maybe so the last few games - but we should finally see a mostly Scott Frost team.    Better times are coming - not all smooth sailing at times but- winning is going to be the norm starting this fall.  

Jesus couldn’t have said it any better.  The previous twenty yrs are a heavy lift to overcome.  On top of that he essentially 70-80% of MR last class and his first.  Anyone that thought he’d mirror UCF level turnaround here wasn’t paying attention to the details and going all on emotion.  Turnaround will come but it will be more gradual I think.  I don’t see that as defeatism, I see at as being realistic and understanding what frost is working to fix as he himself is only in yr 4 as a HC.

10 minutes ago, runningblind said:

You're going to be disappointed because he will do well. He excels with premium talent and only failed here because he couldn't recruit on his own.  His best defenses were with Callahan's guys, but they were some of the best we've had.

We will see won’t we.  

3 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

I think that if we looked at the guy who was Nebraska's DC under Frank Solich, then the DC for National Champion LSU, then was the HC at a P5 program not named Nebraska, where he strung together seven 9/10 win seasons but it looked like media relations and head coaching wasn't his strong suit, we would consider him a big name get for our DC job, and an upgrade over Chinander. 

 

Or to put it another way, do you have  higher standards and a more discerning lens than Ed Orgeron and the National Champion LSU Tigers?

Again you have your opinion I have mine.  Curious why you didn’t reference the defense, while HC at this pwr five gig, that he took full control of, was largely a disaster.  We take that into account or nah?  Also, strange you didn’t include how he was about ready to get run out of his fcs position as HC, a position he took because he had nowhere else to go, nah.  
 

most curious is referring to his ego, attitude, and general being a s#!t human as “media relations”.  
 

again the best part of this is we get to see it play out.  I’m grabbing popcorn.

7 minutes ago, BigPeterJ said:

You have the right to your opinion, and maybe your right.  I mean this is a matter of opinion i guess.  I was being a bit of a d!(k with my post. Ill admit that.  I guess i enjoy livening up the convos.  I dont mean it as disrespectful, i just thought it would be more fun to rub it in that Orgeron agrees with me.  Its hard to tell over text, but i wouldnt be mean, or have hard feelings to you or the other Bo haters in person.  Anyways, he has fielded some very average defenses as a HC, but as a DC i beg to differ.  I feel like his defenses as a DC have been very good, and i feel like some of his not-so-good defenses have lacked talent.  Which is partly his fault, as he does not work hard at recruiting.  I actually said he is not a great HC and he is a bad recruiter.  All my point was is that he is a good Defensive coach.  And when Orgeron agreed, i took that as proof.  But maybe Orgeron is as dumb as me? I bet bo does well at a place where he doesn't have to recruit very hard to get talent.

Fair enough, I didn’t take you as being a d!(k fwiw.  I disagree, not a shocker, but we will find out for better or worse.

3 hours ago, teachercd said:

I feel like...some people are actually mad that Bo got this LSU gig...

 

 

No, I’m actually glad he’s back in the pwr five so I can watch him fail, the jet sweep is alive and well

3 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Looks like you ignored my fourth sentence. 

So if we could ignore his attitude and piss poor defenses he’s put on the field for the last 10-12 yrs.  sure.  Wouldn’t it be great if our work history were all looked at through a lens of not only 4-6 yrs but also pick our most successful.  Raises and promotions for everyone.

1 hour ago, Ziebol said:

You're an odd one.

Sorry meant to say pissed.  Many on here were against transition non contributors out under any circumstance less than a felony charge.  This gives them and us the best situation to succeed.

42 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

This sounds about right. 

 

It's easy to see Bo taking a slight demotion to work for the defending national champions and Ed Orgeron. Or going back to the NFL.

 

Harder to see him taking the same position with a struggling P5 team and a younger head coach. 

 

Assuming we could magically delete all memories of the past 15 years, we'd take Bo over Chinander in a heartbeat. 

 

No one asks the Defensive Coordinator to represent the state. 

We wouldn’t want him back and he wouldn’t want to come here, regardless of the HC age.  Bill belichek himself could be the HC and wouldn’t matter.

1 hour ago, Swiv3D said:

I'm sure the school would be heartbroken to no longer receive your $30 a year from t-shirt purchases 

Weird you have no idea how much $& I give and have given.  I wouldn’t be the only one.

20 minutes ago, dubsker said:

That’s where I’m at.   There is a difficult schedule and how can I count on people who haven’t played a down of football for Nebraska yet for wins?  It’s not even spring ball.

I’m not saying we can’t but anyone saying 9 wins+ is continuing to ignore holes that are still being fixed in the roster.  I expect new starters on the oline, possibly 2.  Dline, while higher upside and athletic, are young and inexperienced, same for lb.  wr room while exciting is completely unproven.  On top of that our schedule is much more difficult than last yr.  again not saying it can’t be done, we’ve been close to many over past two yrs, but I’m going in with 6 wins expected.

It’s happening.  Appreciate the years boys, but time for you to find a better fit and time to give others an opportunity.  Boy there must be some of you just passed at frost, holding kids accountable and all.

10 hours ago, .1. said:

You daaaaamn right you can't begin to compare UCF and NU. For starters though, I need to correct you on your:

 

" ucf was only a few yrs removed from double digit win seasons, not the case here."

 

Bruh, UCF was 2 years removed from a 9 win season before Frost took over there just like Nebraska was 2 years removed from a 9 win season before Frost took over at Nebraska. Don't believe me? I'll show you! 

 

So as you can see Nebraska may have regressed from 9 wins to 4 wins right before Frost took over, but UCF regressed from 9 wins to 0 wins! And 0 wins is waaaaay mothaf#&%in worse than 4 wins gotdammit! So I don't care WHAT you say about "Frost inheriting a better culture or team or situation or whatever at UCF than Nebraska". These numbers simply just don't lie. A team coming off of 0 wins is waaaay gotdamn worse than a team coming off of 4 wins. Period! 

 

And which UCF team are you saying would have went 9-3 in the Big Ten? The one from last year that literally just went 9-3 in their own conference or the one from 2017 that beat the Auburn team that destroyed both Alabama and Georgia (the two teams that played in the national championships that year)? Listen, I don't give a damn WHAT you're assuming with that one right there since it's irrelevant. Hell, you can throw "this and that" assumption all around the place but at the end of the day that 2017 UCF team that went undefeated beat a better team than anybody in the Big Ten that year! You're always more than welcome to say "this team would beat that team" since that's always a possibility in ANY game played in college football on ANY given Saturday, but I'm telling you now there's no clear "evidence" to back up your claim in regard to sticking with facts just from the 2017 season that UCF would have went 9-3 in the Big Ten. None. You can say that, but I won't damn believe you. And there's no evidence to back that up. Therefore, you might as well drop it since you can't win that argument and neither can I really. So enough with the "assumptions". I like to stick with straight fa...fa...FACTS when I debate and argue with people. 

 

And how the hell is Frost going to "evaluate" players in the middle of coaching a team to an unprecedented undefeated season (which is a veeeeerrry hard thing to do) from being winless just 2 seasons before? Literally ALL of his and his staff's focus was on their team that year keeping them focused and ignoring all the outside noises. Frost was not worried about no gotdamn recruits coming onto Nebraska that year and by the time he was even hired to Nebraska he STILL wasn't as you've seen he still went off to coach UCF's last game. He wasn't thinking about carefully evaluating "this 4 star" and "that 4 star" for a top 25 recruiting class at Nebraska. The ONLY player there's any proof and evidence of him recruiting before he got to Nebraska was Adrian Martinez which was the first player he gave an offer to literally the day he got hired at Nebraska and was the only player really offered that day. THAT'S how you know he was sure of a player he evaluated before he got to Nebraska. But MOST of his first year's players were recruited simply just in time for the early sign date which gave room for NO evaluation then, and due to the Auburn bowl game, NO evaluation even at the national sign date. 

 

And I don't give a damn about MW since they have nothing to do with Frost or where he's been. 

First, what I’m saying is it’s a tougher grind to go through the big10 than the aac.  Pretty indisputable and is different than beating 1-2 good teams a yr, think Boise st.  I’m not dismissing the accomplishments of that team but there is a reason a 1 loss pwr five school would have been in the playoff instead.  Do they go undefeated, 1 loss, 3.... I don’t know but would have been much harder.  My other point was momentum was easier to come by as you faced much easier schedule with UCF having better athletes.  Also, did UCF lose 60-70% of their prior class to transfer, or their first class....likely no.  Way to hard to compare the two.

on the recruiting side.  They’d been talking to a number of them just many of the hire rated players liked the staff but wasn’t going to commit to a g5 school, Nebraska changed that.  I know they were on Smith, legrone, and mo as well as others.

11 hours ago, .1. said:

Just out of curiosity, how many of you would want Bo as our defensive Coordinator over Chinander?

I’d pull all $$ and support from football at the u until he was gone, similar to my reaction after we shat the bed at home against a subpar UCLA team with a 21 pt lead at half.  I’m not sure why ppl are talking like they’d want him here.  We (majority) don’t want him back, and bo and the university really don’t want to be back/bring him back.  

12 hours ago, BigPeterJ said:

I agree he needed to move on from here.  What i said was he is a good DC.  And about 10 people said he is not.  I guess Orgeron is in the minority also...

It’s really more like 50/50 but do carry on.....I’m really having fun watching the usual suspects re write history in which you completely blow past the bo led teams that have fielded a sub par defense for the better part of a decade....instead focusing on the 3-4 seasons a long time ago.

6 minutes ago, Waldo said:

@N is for nowledge feelings on Bo to LSU? 

They can dig their own grave.

every sec school is currently pulling tape of the multitude of beatings his defense gave up, plenty of tape to look at.  Oh, and every freaking one of them is putting the jet sweep in their playbook.

one more reason to cheer against the $EC

On 1/24/2020 at 8:52 PM, .1. said:

Yeah, but the culture being bad at Nebraska and Frost not being able to develop relationships with the "then current roster" was not why his first year of recruits did so horribly. His first year of recruits were not carefully evaluated by him and his staff beforehand to prevent them being a bust in the first place. It's the coaches job to evaluate their recruits to see how their grades are, what their criminal history is, their work habits, seeing how they really play all 4 quarters on the field to check their actual talent level for themselves, seeing what kind of person they are to determine if they'd fit with their system, etc. Frost and staff did not do any of those evaluations and simply recruited based off of "star ratings" which is never the one simple thing to go by when recruiting.

 

Again I'm not mad at that since it only happened because of coaching UCF to perfection instead of carefully evaluating the recruits he was bringing onto Nebraska that year. But in addition to that, yeah what you said about the early sign date working against them as well was also apparent. 

You can’t begin to compare the situations at UCF and NU.  For starters, ucf was only a few yrs removed from double digit win seasons, not the case here.  Our culture had been eroded over the last 20 yrs, UCF 3-4 yrs.  also, getting some wins early, this starting to build confidence leading to buy in, is much easier in the AAC then the big10.  You put those same UCF squads in the big10 and they have, minimum, 2-3 losses.  Recruiting wise......many of the kids they’d been evaluating while at UCF, it’s not like they had no idea who these kids were.  I think bigger than that the kids followed frost, and the recruits didn’t have a chance to evaluate the school/location.  MW was a unique situation that I think the coaches were well aware of the red flags but took a leap.  It backfired but just as easily could have worked out.  As pointed out many transition classes struggle more times than not. 

10 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Unless you’re idea of best is losing, then it’s 100% accurate. You also lost me at Bill Callahan being a better coach than Bo. 

Reading comprehension is key.  I said bo caused more damage than any of the others and in that sense took a back seat to the others. 

if you’d like to go there too, Callahan got a gig in the nfl almost immediately and has remained there employed.  Bo could potentially get fired from YSU.  Hmmmm.

2 hours ago, macroboy said:

 

jeezus

Really deep thoughtful response.  Way to address any of the very factual, accurate reasons why he was the WORST of the last 4 HCs at Nebraska.  The idea that the last few responses have been that he was the best recent HC just isn’t accurate.  

It’s Happening.  Non contributors in yr 3-5 are being managed out and helped along. Thank you to all those that chose to come here but it may be possible a smaller school may work better for you.  Just opened up another 3-4 scholarships.  Maybe we get a few more.

i hope SF can sleep at night knowing some of you wanted the dead weight to stay here indefinitely.