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anyone have anything from the student/athlete demand groups?

Big or PAC 12?    seems awfully quiet, the sound you hear just before a tornado hits!

1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

We are on the New Jersey quarantine list, but according to their site, it's not required, just advised.
 

 

oh boy. 

1 hour ago, Mavric said:

This seems pretty legit.  But the practicality of it happening right now with revenue uncertainty is questionable.

 

 

PAC 12 players clearly asking for more.

so i suppose this lands back in the lap of individual schools?  this is not good. setting the schedule simply kicks the can down the road.

NCAA can't be a regulating body and not have responsibility, the players are not gaining on health issues or insurance, in their demands.

PAC 12 players asking for a lot.

i think that release is wishful thinking, just my thoughts, anything on paper is encouraging, if not realistic.

the end result will still be guys missing games, even if we put the team in a bubble, which  MLB has shown doesn't work very well either.

6 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

There was no way they were ever going to put themselves in a position of responsibility/liability in this situation.  To do so would be foolish.  If they cancel, they get sued for lost revenue by many.  If they dictate the season, they potentially get sued by many.  They punt and they don't get sued by anyone.  It's really very simple if you can take a step back and remove emotion.     

it is, so let's not fool ourselves any longer, there will be no season, for now.

this appears to being unresolved, as time is quickly running out. i am afraid the s#!t is destined to hit the fan.

2 hours ago, Jason Sitoke said:

Yep. And a virtual parade to follow. 

12 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

 

And I’m sure more states will follow. Which raises the next football related problem. How jacked up is recruiting going to be with so many prospects subjected to shortened and moved seasons? Could present many unusual challenges for identifying talent.

wow, this jacks up recruiting and visits big time, huge mess with  a s#!tload of doubt!

UCONN just canceled their season.  sorry, late with this one.

6 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

I agree with you mostly.

 

I think fans un general underestimate the polarization happening in CFB. The SEC and B1G are considerably better than the other leagues. It isn't even close. The gap between those two leagues and the rest of CFB is growing rapidly. 

 

Frost has a difficult job. But Nebraska will very likely not play this season and struggle in 2021. 

we can't afford to struggle next year.

3 hours ago, Undone said:

Strength & conditioning under Bo was actually pretty good. I'm choosing the words "pretty good" carefully - so, not "great" but also not "bad."

Then Riley not only didn't bring in quality linemen on both sides of the ball but practically abandoned serious weight training, at least as far as I understand it. 

 

Outside of Ohio State's insane evolution to a completely other level, the rest of the decent-good teams (outside of Indiana) still play power football on both sides of the ball. In our division, Wisconsin & Iowa consistently develop strong offensive linemen, defensive linemen, and linebackers.

Until we get our big guys strong again - really big & strong - we will continue to suck in the B1G. This is foundational, and it doesn't get fixed in just two seasons.

agree with all your points.  play in the Big is not for everyone, this is a very, very physical league.

Washington state football team kicking activists off the team?

that's not good.

wow, the coin toss change is a big deal??  really??

now i feel better.

18 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Ha...Amen!

 

Look, if I was a coach, I would want it all...if I was a player I would want it all.

lots to cover here, it's just going to  be a huge mess and headache.new job, social justice supervisor, wow, no thanks.

44 minutes ago, teachercd said:

The players should try to get everything that they can...and the schools/conferences should try to keep as much as they can.  

 

If I was a player and I could squeeze my school/conference for some green, I would do it.

50% of total revenue for players equally divided? Frost and coaches about to take a huge cut in pay.

1 hour ago, GBRFAN said:

You forgot to factor in the 10x for unconfirmed cases and also realize that young people think they are bullet proof so that number is probably 13x which lowers those bumbers to 0.2-0.6%

1 hour ago, GBRFAN said:

You forgot to factor in the 10x for unconfirmed cases and also realize that young people think they are bullet proof so that number is probably 13x which lowers those bumbers to 0.2-0.6%

1 hour ago, GBRFAN said:

You forgot to factor in the 10x for unconfirmed cases and also realize that young people think they are bullet proof so that number is probably 13x which lowers those bumbers to 0.2-0.6%

23 hours ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

St Louis Cardinals have an additional 4-6 positive tests this morning. If numbers continue to go up, I wouldn't be surprised to see MLB cancel and that would be bad news for CFB and NFL. I'd guess NFL would look hard about moving to a bubble system. So far the NBA, NHL, MLS and MLB have seemed to show it's bubble or bust. 

On 7/29/2020 at 10:00 AM, BIG ERN said:

I'm curious on others thoughts on this board....if Covid-19 was killing kids at the rate of older citizens - would you then be mad that Trump calls this the Chinese Virus? I truly believe we would already be in a World War with them if that was the case and way more people would be on board. 

 

No, I am not saying he is right for saying this at this time or we should be at war - I just feel since it isn't kids then people kind of let a lot of things slide. 

it doesn't matter what you call it, it came from China, they hatched it. yes, if many children were dying from it across the world there would be a war over it for sure.

this has turned into a can of worms with threats and demands from all involved. depending on how it is handled there could be a ton of portal transfers due to any new policy (conference) changes. at this point the season should be scraped and a complete reorganization under taken.

this is an opportunity for kids to get "pay for play" or hurdle right to the next draft without playing another down. sad what this virus has done to the fabric of America, it will never be the same. allegations of social injustice will be rampant going forward and the whole CF experience will be a blurred mess. another sport lost along with all pro sports for me. soon high school players will want a piece of the pie. nothing left but rubble.

interesting, a bunch of PAC 12 players just came out with demands before they are willing to ever practice or play a game. seems like extortion is alive and well every where you look?

"Among the demands are protections for eligibility and better health and safety standards amid the pandemic, keeping existing sports by cutting pay to coaches and administrators, a plan to fight racial injustice in college sports and society, and plans for revenue sharing and six-year athletic scholarships, among other economic issues."

23 minutes ago, Jason Sitoke said:

I’m not disagreeing with that, and I’m really trying not to rehash this again, but technically there were only 491k lab confirmed cases of H1N1 in 2009-10, with over 18k lab confirmed deaths. That puts the official mortality rate at over 3%, with a much higher percentage of young people dying. Now if we want to really analyze its effect in hindsight, we know we need to extrapolate those numbers into more realistic estimates to get a better picture of disease burden. 
 

But back to the main point...what I find confusing about this whole thing is that we are apparently trying to establish a large group of non-quarantined players, staff, coaches to get together for games with limited spectator ship (still numbering in the thousands) and we are expecting what to happen exactly?  Are we not expecting people to get infected?  Are we really hoping for suppression here?  
 

The middle of the country is about to get hit with the tail end of the first wave of this thing. It’s about to get worse. Either we’re going to accept that it’s going to happen regularly (local outbreaks among teams/fans) or we need to just shut it down.  

23 minutes ago, Jason Sitoke said:

I’m not disagreeing with that, and I’m really trying not to rehash this again, but technically there were only 491k lab confirmed cases of H1N1 in 2009-10, with over 18k lab confirmed deaths. That puts the official mortality rate at over 3%, with a much higher percentage of young people dying. Now if we want to really analyze its effect in hindsight, we know we need to extrapolate those numbers into more realistic estimates to get a better picture of disease burden. 
 

But back to the main point...what I find confusing about this whole thing is that we are apparently trying to establish a large group of non-quarantined players, staff, coaches to get together for games with limited spectator ship (still numbering in the thousands) and we are expecting what to happen exactly?  Are we not expecting people to get infected?  Are we really hoping for suppression here?  
 

The middle of the country is about to get hit with the tail end of the first wave of this thing. It’s about to get worse. Either we’re going to accept that it’s going to happen regularly (local outbreaks among teams/fans) or we need to just shut it down.  

20 hours ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

St Louis Cardinals have an additional 4-6 positive tests this morning. If numbers continue to go up, I wouldn't be surprised to see MLB cancel and that would be bad news for CFB and NFL. I'd guess NFL would look hard about moving to a bubble system. So far the NBA, NHL, MLS and MLB have seemed to show it's bubble or bust. 

On 7/29/2020 at 10:00 AM, BIG ERN said:

I'm curious on others thoughts on this board....if Covid-19 was killing kids at the rate of older citizens - would you then be mad that Trump calls this the Chinese Virus? I truly believe we would already be in a World War with them if that was the case and way more people would be on board. 

 

No, I am not saying he is right for saying this at this time or we should be at war - I just feel since it isn't kids then people kind of let a lot of things slide. 

it doesn't matter what you call it, it came from China, they hatched it. yes, if many children were dying from it across the world there would be a war over it for sure.

4 hours ago, BigRedN said:

J.J Watt thinks you are runningblind.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/09/j-j-watt-has-no-interest-in-playing-football-while-wearing-a-face-shield/

no surprise here, would be like a bear with his head stuck in a honey pot!

6 minutes ago, kansas45 said:

 

It is starting to get even more interesting with a former head coach weighing in.

 

Danny Ford says college football is taking 'great gamble' playing this fall

https://www.tigernet.com/update/Danny-Ford-says-college-football-is-taking-great-gamble-playing-this-fall-35929

"I could see it being from the NCAA head all the way down to the commissioners all the way down to the ADs and coaches to the players," Ford said of potential lawsuits. "So we're taking an awful chance for one year. Maybe we can do it. It's risky in my opinion.
""I have not heard anyone talk about side effects, even if you had it at a young age as a young teenager," Ford said. "How is going to affect you when you're 60 years old? Or 40 - the colleges aren't going to be there for you then, you see. That's what I worry about...Hopefully nobody seriously gets hurt or passes away. Hopefully there are no future problems with people's health."

 

California is a big question mark. Imagine the hoops these people have to go through.

 

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/07/31/pac-12-schedule-released-conference-games-only-a-late-september-start-and-questions-about-the-california-schools/

 

May we present … California.

“One question nobody is answering is,” a source said, “is what if the California schools can’t go” for training camp? Three of the four would be prohibited from holding any semblance of a normal camp if it started today. USC, UCLA and Cal are conducting outdoor strength-and-conditioning drills.

 

The teams cannot gather in large groups; they cannot tackle; they cannot even share a football. Until state and local health officials alter restrictions, the trio won’t move forward with preparations for the season. Stanford is further along, thanks to the protocols put in place by Santa Clara County. The Cardinal cannot tackle, but it can gather in groups large enough for units to practice together. And Stanford can use a football — but only if it’s touched only by two people: quarterback and running back, or quarterback and receiver. There are no center-quarterback exchanges, because that would involve a third person touching the ball. It is not known when Santa Clara County, the City of Berkeley and Los Angeles County — not to mention the state — plan to loosen restrictions to permit the standard level of tackling and touching of the ball.

“We’ll see what happens if the state guidance intersects with the orders at the local level,” the source said.

 

https://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/2020/08/do-you-believe-in-miracles-college-football-and-the-pac-12-certainly-seem-to-issues-answers.html

 

Odds are, if the season gets played this fall, most players won’t get sick. And most of those who do will recover. But nothing is certain. Some players will get COVID-19. A few could die.

 

 

ah, the California model, we are screwed now!

8 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Good lord! 

 

The campus stuff they can regulate, but, off campus is where the issues will be.

this is grade A bulls#!t. screw college, let them go broke, they will be begging for students next year.

interesting, Moos has not come out against a full stadium of 90K people?

that's crazy, only a handful of infected people would cause a huge spike.

25 minutes ago, kansas45 said:

 

I agree we cannot simply stop society; but I have asked this question before with no answer from you or anyone: what do you say to the parent of a student-athlete if something occurs that was easily preventable by not playing? What does that phone conversation sound like?

 

Yes, faculty are capable of wearing PPE; however, in higher education these people are a totally different bread of animal.

 

Ok, so severe is only hospitalized and needing oxygen supplementation. So, a person who gets the virus but they develop myocarditis is not considered severe and that prevents them from playing. Or the student-athlete that contracts the virus and they happen to have sickle cell anemia and that prevents them from playing. So, hypercoagulability is not a concern? 

 

If there are no confirmed cases of severe infections, why in the world did all those schools and conferences cancel their season? Why in the world did OhioSt and Rutgers and other schools put a halt to workouts? 

 

If the situation changes, you would re-evaluate. Ok, and what would this re-evaluation process look like? Cancel the season? Oh heaven's no, you would not do that to stop society over one little measly death or student-athlete on a ventilator. Postpone the games? Carry on as normal?

25 minutes ago, kansas45 said:

 

I agree we cannot simply stop society; but I have asked this question before with no answer from you or anyone: what do you say to the parent of a student-athlete if something occurs that was easily preventable by not playing? What does that phone conversation sound like?

 

Yes, faculty are capable of wearing PPE; however, in higher education these people are a totally different bread of animal.

 

Ok, so severe is only hospitalized and needing oxygen supplementation. So, a person who gets the virus but they develop myocarditis is not considered severe and that prevents them from playing. Or the student-athlete that contracts the virus and they happen to have sickle cell anemia and that prevents them from playing. So, hypercoagulability is not a concern? 

 

If there are no confirmed cases of severe infections, why in the world did all those schools and conferences cancel their season? Why in the world did OhioSt and Rutgers and other schools put a halt to workouts? 

 

If the situation changes, you would re-evaluate. Ok, and what would this re-evaluation process look like? Cancel the season? Oh heaven's no, you would not do that to stop society over one little measly death or student-athlete on a ventilator. Postpone the games? Carry on as normal?

On 7/29/2020 at 10:00 AM, BIG ERN said:

I'm curious on others thoughts on this board....if Covid-19 was killing kids at the rate of older citizens - would you then be mad that Trump calls this the Chinese Virus? I truly believe we would already be in a World War with them if that was the case and way more people would be on board. 

 

No, I am not saying he is right for saying this at this time or we should be at war - I just feel since it isn't kids then people kind of let a lot of things slide. 

it doesn't matter what you call it, it came from China, they hatched it. yes, if many children were dying from it across the world there would be a war over it for sure.