2 minutes ago, Cigarman said:

No link. As you should know by now…..links from the media are the least likely and slowest mode of gaining the truth. Not explaining my way so you can choose to believe or not. But it is true. He made direct contact with the university saying he wasn’t interested. 

Hope you're right so I choose to believe. Looks like we dodged that bullet...

4 minutes ago, Cigarman said:

Matt Campbell is officially out. And not in coach speak. He OFFICIALLY turned us down as a candidate. 

Where are you getting this? Link?

2 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

And you could be entirely correct. I'm just saying that it's too early to tell. If they go 6-6 is that going to be enough to hire him? 

Why not just take the winner of the Kansas/Iowa State game tomorrow and call it a "home run hire"? And if we can't get one of those, let's stick with Mickey. Because, comfort zone and cultural fit and stuff.

5 hours ago, M.A. said:

What we’re addressing here are patterns of incidences occurring. And, incidences having occurred. There’s a difference.
 

Disordered personalities can be found anywhere. Few of us are without “skeletons”. Those having closets full of them can be correlated with the toxicity associated with personality disorders. 
 

When I say “disorders” I am referring to the antisocial varieties. They occur on a spectrum of severity from mild to more complex and destructive.
 

The coaching profession is one example of having a higher percentage of these types of perpetrators. It isn’t exclusive to highest achievers. It occurs throughout. There certainly can be covert aspects to it depending on the person.

 

In short, some of the highest achievers have personality disorders while their other high achieving peers don’t. 
 

We all have a dark side. It is upon us to manage it. None of us is without challenges. Some self reflect and consider the consequences of their actions. While others, simply don’t see anything wrong with their behaviors and don’t recognize a need to address them. That’s where there’s a legitimate, particularly concerning issue.
 

Most of us don’t expect our team’s head coach to be of pristine character. We do however want to avoid patterns of conduct that compromise our interests. Thus, the necessity for thorough examinations of how any particular coaching candidate conducts themselves. 
 

In our case, it seems that an enabler was let go. An alternate was installed to inject accountability and hopefully correct the ship’s course. 
 

Unfortunately it didn’t end well. It didn’t for Joe Paterno either. Lots of folks admired, even revered him too. 

Very well thought out and informative post. Thank you. You also can't discount that, whether we like it or not, winning offsets some of those character/moral blemishes. There's kind of a one-to-one relationship here with regard to level of success vs. severity of said blemishes. Again, it all just comes down to where you draw the line on that kind of stuff. Or in this case, where the NU administration draws the line.

11 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

 

....which brings me back to my original point. If you're looking for a top-tier coach with strong character and morals, you're pretty much out of luck. The guys at this level are all cutthroats and only the strong survive. Many project a "nice guy" image but don't be fooled... they're just better at hiding their demons than others. The name of the game is winning and $, period.

Hard to argue with this. Of the top 3 (Saban, Urban, Dabo), all 3 have some pretty well documented character/moral blemishes. Although, also pretty hard to argue that Urban's blemishes aren't worse than the other 2. He comes in a pretty solid third on that list. It all just comes down to where you draw the line on that kind of stuff.

7 hours ago, huskerfan74 said:

Luke Fickell will come for the right amount. He has a personality that will fit the Trev mold and he has Cincinnati clicking on all cylinders. I also like O’Brien and Bret Bielema. Illinois will make some noise this season.

I was with until the O’Brien and Bielema parts. Hard pass on those two from me dawg.

1 hour ago, JJ Husker said:

FIFY

Yep, just me mentioning Deion for P5 jobs.

15 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Sure, his celebrity gets him in the discussion. His performance has backed him up so far. And when forced to learn about the respect he's earned in the football community, folks realize they can't just write him off as Neon Deion anymore. I hated Sanders as a player. We've both grown up.

 

It's a good thread. Saying we shouldn't have it because we've never had a coach from an HBCU mentioned is odd. As I pointed out in another thread, this Sanders/Nebraska thing wasn't invented by HB posters. It's all over Google via legitimate sports sites. 

 

I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but sometimes the safe hire is a risk, too. Especially when the safest bets probably aren't coming here. 

 

We aren't going to hire Sanders and he might opt for a competing offer anyway. But the program that hires him isn't going to be more foolish than Nebraska.  

Pretty good summary by Sports Illustrated, just as an example…

https://thespun.com/.amp/more/top-stories/look-deion-sanders-getting-mentioned-for-nebraska-job

30 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

The research is in!  According to both $PAZZ and award-winning author Debra Devi, "trim" goes back at least 100 years and refers specifically to lady genitalia. While this has little to do with who our next HC should be, it does relate to where our previous HC has been. Circle of life stuff.  

 

URBAN DICTIONARY

trim

pu**y; usually good.(clean, shaved, not used alot.

yo i heard there gonna be mad trim at that party this week.

by $PAZZ April 1, 2003

 

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The Language of the Blues,

Author and rock musician Debra Devi explores the meaning of a word or phrase found in the blues. Grab a signed copy of Devi’s award-winning glossary The Language of the Blues: From Alcorub to Zuzu (Foreword by Dr. John) at Bluescentric.com. Also available as an eBook.

 

Trim is slang for female genitalia. In the blues, it’s usually used by a man to express a need or an intention, as in “I’m gonna get me some trim tonight.” This usage has been around since the 1920s.

This meaning for trim is still in use today. It showed up in the 1982 film 48 hours, for example, when Eddie Murphy’s character announced, “I’ve got to get me some trim, man!”

Robert Johnson used “trimmin’” in “Little Queen of Spades” in 1937 to describe a girlfriend’s performance in bed:

Everybody says she got a mojo
‘Cause she been usin’ that stuff
But she got a way trimmin’ down, hoo, fair brown
and I mean it’s most too tough

Song:
“Little Queen of Spades”- Robert Johnson

1 hour ago, JJ Husker said:

For the love of God….Deion Sanders is not the coach we need or want. Just. Stop. It’s gone beyond an off the wall odd mention and has now ventured into WTF territory for a few posters.

So, just because you’re not liking what you’re reading and don’t want to admit that he’s got a lot of very impressive traits as a candidate means the rest of us are in WTF territory? Ummm, okay.

1 hour ago, knapplc said:

If his name wasn't Deion Sanders he wouldn't even be talked about here. In all the coaching search threads I don't think we've ever had a coach from an HBCU even mentioned, let alone given pages and pages of discussion. 

That’s kind of the point. If his name wasn’t Deion, he also wouldn’t be recruiting A level talent to a D level school. But he is. Because he’s Deion.

3 minutes ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

How do you know that isn't or hasn't been done with bringing the women on campus? How do you know that's not part of it? I haven't heard of one coach never that brings women into meetings to talk about respecting women. Even if those kids don't make it to the league nil has nothing to do with the nfl its all about ones self branding. So he is saying their is alot of temptation in this generation don't let it ruin you bc it almost ruined him. Great example of a head coach doing the right things can't say he isn't.

I saw a video recently after JSU had just won something pretty big (by their standards) and he spent about half the time telling his players how great they all were and the other half telling them not do do any stupid s#!t that night. Asked the room, “What do I always say?” And they all replied something like, “never let a moment  of satisfaction lead to a lifetime of regret.” Pretty solid.

6 minutes ago, chamrocck said:

Well Trev better get it together. Late November how are these headlines going to look:

“Nebraska hires Iowa State’s Matt Campbell”

Next day…”Auburn/GA Tech/enter another team hires Primetime Deon Sanders; 3 of ESPNs top 100 commit to join Sanders”

And poof our 12 hours of mojo is lost and we sign a class ranked 28th while Sanders class is Top 10.

You know I am right. We can’t f this up. 

/end thread

18 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

So what has he done to be more qualified.   I'm all ears

Seriously? I hope you’re kidding. I mean, besides head coaching experience and being an A+++ recruiter…ummmm gold jacket mean anything to you?

11 minutes ago, chamrocck said:

I think part of the process with Sanders (if we are even trying to vet him) is to see what staff he’d put together.  I think he’d keep MJ.  He will be a big program coach in the future.  The extra publicity and all the coverage we’d gain would be like no other candidate could offer. We know he’d boost recruiting and the portal. If he had a legitimate staff would you be for him? He is the most unique candidate and he could potentially pull some good coaches that either he views as excellent but I could also see some guys who don’t want to keep climbing the coaching ladder but would find it a good last opportunity to work in a unique situation. If he impressed me with staff considerations that would be interesting vs I am bringing all my Jackson State buddies which we know would not work out most likely.  
 

But the fact that Sanders could put together a class that would likely finish 10 spots higher than a lot of other candidates has to be worth a lot. Are those other mid tier coaches really better with a lesser class than Sanders would deliver with his class?  I don’t think so.

Admittedly, I don’t know much about most of his staff. But I have read that he has assembled an amazing staff at JSU considering the school. Quick glance through the staff directory and it does not appear to be JSU/HBCU buddies at all.

Anyhoo…there’s not an assistant coach in the country who doesn’t answer the phone when Deion Sanders calls.

17 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

Because he hasn't coached at a major program.   So many people jump on a hype train but don't know really what they are hoping for.   He is a great guy.   Amazing character.   Capable of selling ice to an Eskimo.   But he hasn't coached at even a middling program.   He isn't even as qualified as MJ who is horribly unqualified to coach at nebraska.

 

He MIGHT be great but he is a massive risk.   Worth taking???  Idk

You’re joking on the bold part right? Sorry, I love me some MJ, but he can’t hold Deions jockstrap when it comes to being qualified to be the next head coach at NU.

4 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I don’t know how much of Baylor’s roster left after Rhule left for the NFL, but it’s now 3 years after he left, so it’s basically Aranda’s team. Yes, there was a poor 2020 season, but there can be bumpy transitions, and it was the COVID year. Aranda led the team to a conference title, which Rhule didn’t so that’s an improvement, and Baylor looks to be headed for another strong year this year.

Rhule stepped into a really s#!tty situation with (almost literally) bare cupboards following the whole Art Briles mess and got them back on track in 3 years. Aranda stepped into the rebuild that Rhule had already started. Just for context.

20 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

Sorry but I want somebody that’s been there, done that, not somebody who’s made waves in Pop Warner ball.

Could not agree with you more. But for me, Deion is in his own class.

Been there done that…Meyer.

Someone who’s made waves in Pop Warner ball…Campbell, Aranda, Leipold, Stoops, etc.

Game changer…Sanders.

Deion can sell condoms to a nun. If Nebraska hires him, you’ll get on board.

6 minutes ago, funhusker said:

I don’t think Sanders is leaving.  I might have dreamt it, because I can’t find it.  But I could have sworn Deion spoke in an interview that he wants to stay at the HBC to renew the culture and pride of the institutions.  He wants to help the kids realize that all the fame and fortune isn’t as important as making your community better.

He’s already been a legitimate candidate at three P5 schools. He’s let it be known that he wants to keep doing everything you mentioned at the highest level.

43 minutes ago, teachercd said:

DS to Auburn is interesting.  He already is pissed at Saban and honestly would beat him head to head for recruits.  It would make things fun.

Let’s all just think about that for a few minutes.

1 hour ago, JJ Husker said:

Nope, haven’t changed a thing. Still think he’s way more flash than substance.

So, just to be clear, you consider….

1) Out-recruiting literally everyone in the country (considering where he’s at)

2) Proven track record of winning at a place that hasn’t won in forever

3) Has more football knowledge in his little finger than most people have ever know

4) Preaches accountability, faith, morals, hard work, fundamentals, teaching young men, etc. above all else

5) Knows how to work the hell out of the transfer portal

6) Knows how to work the hell out of the NIL (again, especially considering where he’s at)

7) Hires an amazing staff above his class much like his recruiting/NIL/transfer portal/etc.

8) Has a national reach that would instantly put Nebraska at the top of every news cycle, something we haven’t seen since the 90’s

9) Can literally get in every living room, board room, and any room in between that’s needed to make Nebraska better

10) Instantly washes Nebraska of the negative stigma that’s part of what has us where we’re at

…to be more flash than substance?

6 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

Lots of ifs and buts involved. Fact is he is nowhere near a proven commodity. He just may be the next greatest thing since canned beer but he hasn’t shown that yet. Nebraska needs more of a sure thing at this point in time.

 

One question. Name one other team in the B1G that has a coach even remotely similar to Sanders.  There isn’t one. Fleck is maybe the closest thing and he’s done so much more than Deion it is laughable. The NU job and situation is way above Deion’s pay grade at this point.

So, you’ve changed your opinion from “Deion is all flash and no substance” to “Deion isn’t similar to any of the other B1G coaches”? I guess that’s progress?

5 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

 

I thought he was fired prematurely at Texas. Had that happened in Lincoln we would've had a huge debate that he had been fired too soon and we didn't give him time. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

From just a W-L standpoint, you’re probably right. But literally everything else about him made him very hard to continue to support. I mean, if you’re considered an intolerable arrogant prick at Texas, that’s really saying something.

1 minute ago, teachercd said:

The good news, NU SHOULD be the best job open.

 

Now, Auburn will be open but not sure if that matters.

 

Texas, maybe??

Don’t think Texas is bailing on Sark in year 2 barring off the field issues.

17 hours ago, RedDenver said:

Or we need someone who can build the program up and develop players instead of trying to mask our deficiencies with a new image.

 

Deion Sanders is the ultimate flash and no substance hire. Like anyone else, he could end up being a good or bad coach for the Huskers, but he's only got a couple of years of coaching experience above high school - not just HC experience but any experience.

17 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

As @RedDenver said, all flash and no substance. His formula at Jackson St does not translate to what Nebraska needs at all. I’ve seen absolutely nothing that leads me to believe he would have any success at Nebraska or in the B1G.

Horribly simple-minded and uneducated posts. You can say he doesn’t have enough coaching experience, but to say he’s all flash and no substance should make you feel embarrassed.