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Coming as an experienced introvert, I noticed that he kept swallowing and fidgeting. Also, if you notice that when the reporters that we're behind him left, he loosened up and answered questions a tad more comfortably than he had been.

Shy and awkward. Oh I'm rooting for this kid until the day he steps off campus for more reasons than being an awesome athlete.

And the difference between us and Westboro is the way we live our lives. We live our lives by loving God with our whole heart, soul and mind and love our neighbors like ourselves (we try at least). They live full of hatred for everyone that isn't part of their cult. That is the difference. Has nothing to do with the Bible.

 

I think he's saying that you both read from the same book. But you both get (and preach) completely different things out of it. They choose to pick verses that fit their lifestyle as you choose verses that fit yours. You just happen interpret the Bible as containing a god that loves everyone. You focus on the Christ story and not on the vengeful god of the Old Testament. That you should thy neighbor and treat everyone as you would want to be treated...rather than kill those who don't obey god.

Westboro (and many other people...the Topeka clan just is more vocal about it) pick the parts of the Bible to help support their view. "God hates gay people because in Leviticus 20:13..."

 

You both believe in the same god. You both agree the Bible is god's word. But why don't you interpret the hate in the same way they do? And vice versa. Who's interpretation is right?

 

 

While it's a legitimate point, to an extent, the differences between Westboro and Christians are obvious, and based on common sense. Logic and reason have a role here, although people like to argue that you can't use them because they aren't definable. Reason tells me that Westboro Baptist members have an agenda of their own rather than of the Lord's, that their lives are nothing even remotely close to the way Jesus lived and commanded others to live, and seek to justify and explain away all of their actions, tailoring the Bible to themselves rather than tailoring their lives around the Bible (which isn't to say that most Christians don't do this).

You're making a claim to also know the Lord's will and that they don't, that's as arrogant as Westboro. You may say that they are wrong and tailoring it to themselves but I would believe that they hold to a more literal interpretation of the bible than you do, making them more valid just by keeping with its tenets.

 

Logic and reason can be used in this area but you're not going far enough. You didn't apply it to your own beliefs. Seriously, the last sentence you typed, is what you just did in regards to interpreting the bible. You might live your life as close to Jesus' philosophies as you can, but if you disregard the slavery of the OT, the killing of disobedient children and adulterers, then you are cherry picking as much as anybody else is.

 

Going from one extreme to the other, left to right, up to down, flipping pascal's wager on you, not only who is right but what if you're wrong?

 

 

In the case of the OT specifically, you would first have to establish what was recorded historically (not encouraged or accepted), what the culture influenced, what was demanded and what was done by God separate from what the law said for humans. I realize, even then, there is a lot of OT junk that would possibly support some generally frowned upon positions, but then you would also have to take into consideration Jesus' fulfillment of the law and NT scripture explaining how Christians are free from it.

 

I realize I'm equally as guilty of interpreting the Bible in my own way, just as everyone is, but the difference is that my deepest desire is to follow God's plan and standards, and Jesus' teachings. From a Biblical standpoint, if you want to reach you can use it to support what Westboro does, but from an obvious observational standpoint, that's not their deepest desire.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 5:17-19

 

And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[c] your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’[d] and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. - Mark 7:9-10

Tell me again how the OT is fulfilled again? Also, if the death and resurrection is why it has been fulfilled, are you just free to whatever just as long as you believe that Jesus is your savior? I submit that you have no knowledge if either option is correct and to preach one as correct BASED ON LOGIC AND REASON, is disingenuous and arrogant. You can preach on faith. But only faith. You have no evidence. Only conjecture based on your own moral subset.

I would counter to say that it's not obvious. Clearly they protest in front of funerals in order to troll sensible people into a lawsuit that they will inevitably win. But to say that they truly don't believe in their theology is misguided.

And the difference between us and Westboro is the way we live our lives. We live our lives by loving God with our whole heart, soul and mind and love our neighbors like ourselves (we try at least). They live full of hatred for everyone that isn't part of their cult. That is the difference. Has nothing to do with the Bible.

 

I think he's saying that you both read from the same book. But you both get (and preach) completely different things out of it. They choose to pick verses that fit their lifestyle as you choose verses that fit yours. You just happen interpret the Bible as containing a god that loves everyone. You focus on the Christ story and not on the vengeful god of the Old Testament. That you should thy neighbor and treat everyone as you would want to be treated...rather than kill those who don't obey god.

Westboro (and many other people...the Topeka clan just is more vocal about it) pick the parts of the Bible to help support their view. "God hates gay people because in Leviticus 20:13..."

 

You both believe in the same god. You both agree the Bible is god's word. But why don't you interpret the hate in the same way they do? And vice versa. Who's interpretation is right?

 

 

While it's a legitimate point, to an extent, the differences between Westboro and Christians are obvious, and based on common sense. Logic and reason have a role here, although people like to argue that you can't use them because they aren't definable. Reason tells me that Westboro Baptist members have an agenda of their own rather than of the Lord's, that their lives are nothing even remotely close to the way Jesus lived and commanded others to live, and seek to justify and explain away all of their actions, tailoring the Bible to themselves rather than tailoring their lives around the Bible (which isn't to say that most Christians don't do this).

You're making a claim to also know the Lord's will and that they don't, that's as arrogant as Westboro. You may say that they are wrong and tailoring it to themselves but I would believe that they hold to a more literal interpretation of the bible than you do, making them more valid just by keeping with its tenets.

Logic and reason can be used in this area but you're not going far enough. You didn't apply it to your own beliefs. Seriously, the last sentence you typed, is what you just did in regards to interpreting the bible. You might live your life as close to Jesus' philosophies as you can, but if you disregard the slavery of the OT, the killing of disobedient children and adulterers, then you are cherry picking as much as anybody else is.

Going from one extreme to the other, left to right, up to down, flipping pascal's wager on you, not only who is right but what if you're wrong?

I really don't understand how anyone can, in good conscience, describe God's will to another person. If I interpret it the way that I interpret it, how can I possibly be wrong about it? How the hell do you know what's the correct one?

The tenets and the doctrines of christianity have been interpreted thousands of times and redone another thousand. The original canon didn't even include all the books written on the subject.

What's the difference between your interpretation of the bible and the Westboro idiots? A whole hell of a lot surely. But what's the similarities between your interpretation of the bible and the Westboro idiots? The holy bible.

You can't tell me in the same breath that the Westboro church are evil bigots and the bible isn't full of evil and bigotry when it's all the same book.

Weren't all the gospels written like 60 years after the death of christ? Is it possible that the writers were writing from a biased agenda that benefited from christ fulfilling these prophecies? You can't be the messiah without doing so, right?

I did not read the article, I am sick of seeing them.

 

I remember Cory Ross being carried off the field with turf toe, I might add one of the toughest players we have ever had, not being able to stand on it with out great pain. I see a young freshman, thrown into a starting role, most likely beyond his wildest dreams, working with a lame duck offensive coordinator who did not want him to start, playing great until injured. Both wheels injured and one of the most painfull injuries you could have for a running QB.

 

We need to get off the kids ass. He did all that was asked of him, and did it better than any freshman at Nebraska has ever done. Damned near every team in America would give their starter to have him on the sidelines. Simply amazing how the greatest fans/sports writers have thrown this kid under the bus.

 

This type of stuff does the team or the player no good.

 

I would like to see the writer do his job, and I mean reporting with two seriously injured ankles/toes. You know I bet it would affect his ability to do it. Let alone playing division 1 football in a screwed up offensive system.

 

Again I am not a Martinez fan, anymore than the others, but it is time to quit beating this poor injured horse, as we may just beat it to death. We need Taylor to be the best he can be. Nothing being said seems to point to the good he did. All American, I wonder if the writer/fans ever performed at that level in their chosen fields.

I think the criticism comes from him being as amazing as he is athletically. The athletic QB's that the Huskers have had over the last 20 years were either the benefit of a favorable play caller (Crouch) or great field generals as well (Frazier and Frost).

We expect him to be these guys but we can only expect him to be T-Magic. A favorable system should help and hopefully the light turns on for him in the leadership/awareness department, but I for one am rooting for this guy. I certainly wasn't fond of him during the last quarter of the season, but I see great things in that kid. 80 yard runs are nothing to sneeze at.

Is the media not allowed to talk to the new coaches?

Thought it might be prudent to post that i restarted my career by switching the Big Ten and Big 12 schools so I can play for the conference title. I must say that in the first 5 seasons things have gone quite well. First season i went to the Fiesta Bowl and beat Stanford, Prince Amukamara walked away with the Thorpe Award. Second season I earned my first National title and got a contract extension, Jared Crick won 4 awards that seasons while Dennard won the Thorpe Award and Burkhead won the Walker and Maxwell Award. It was hard to have him come back for his senior year, but he did. Rex Burkhead made a run for the Heisman but unfortunately did not make it, stress foot fracture ended that towards the end of the season, but i ended up in the Big 12 Championship game going against and undefeated Michigan team while i lose to Penn and Iowa earlier, i won the title game and played once again in the Fiesta Bowl against Texas, beat them 51 - 14. That year Alex Henery and Adi Kunalic left earlier (Yes i started them at redshirt freshmans, so i cheated). Both Henery and Kunalic won the Groza and Guy Award respectively. The next year Martinez made a strong run for Heisman that is until he broke his foot in week 12, True freshman Aaron Green (It was the first 5 star HB i pulled in) had a great season starting after Burkhead left, but unfortunately after he tore a tricep i was stuck with a 3 star HB from Nebraska and Brion Carnes. I ended up finshing the season undefeated with Brion Carnes speedy legs and beat Florida 52 - 48 in the National Championship game. My 2nd BCS title and my 3rd conference title win.

 

Recruiting was awesome last year I was able to rake in three 4 star Tackles and four Guards (two of them 5 star and two 4 star) plus i pulled in a 5 star Center. Unfortunately, pulling in CB or LB has been a pain, i mostly pull in ATH and move them over to that position to fill it in or i find myself taking 3 star recruits that start in the low 60's. TE has also been a problem area since Reed and Cotton are gone.

 

Awards by Season

 

2010 - Roy Helu won Maxwell, Keith Williams won Outland Trophy, Prince Amukamara won Thorpe Award

 

2011 - Dennard won Thorpe Award, Burkhead won the Maxwell, the Walker, and the Camp Awards, Mike Caputo won the Rimington, Jared Crick won Outland, Lombardi, Nagurski Awards.

 

2012 - Cole Pensick won the Rimington Award, Kyler Reed won the Mackey Award, Compton won LB of the Year Award, Henery won the Groza Award, Kunalic won the Guy Award, Andrew Rodriguez won the Outland Trophy, Eric Martin won the Lombardi and Nagurski (at DE)

 

2013- Taylor Martinez won the O'Brien Award, Lavonte David won LB of the Award and Lombardi Award, Quincy Enunwa won Returner of the Year and the Biletnikoff Award, Andrew Green won Thorpe Award, Nick Ash won the Outland Trophy, Cole Pensick won the Rimington Award (twice)

 

Oh I should probably mention that Bo Pelini won coach of the year for 2011.

 

2014 should be a reloading year for me as I have a pretty good recruiting class coming in. A 5 star scrambling QB from Cali committed on the first week. I am currently heavily pursuing the #1 and 3 Tight Ends, both are 5 star recruits and have me in their Top 5. Cornerbacks will be a problem as the recruiting class doesn't look all that impressive, maybe something will come up good during the offseason.

Did you send Colorado to the Big 10/11 then?

Multiple =/= jack of all trades, master of none. Multiple gets a bad rap because Shawn Watson was a stubborn guy who puts square pegs into round holes and not being able to even coach the round holes in the first place.

You could look at the 95 orange bowl to the 98 orange bowl to see how multiple Tom Osborne was.

i personally do not like oregons offense at all. If they didnt have the ridiculous speed that they did in the backfield i just feel like it wouldnt work. I really hope for our sake we dont try this.

Tom Osborne isn't walking downstairs to coach the offense. Touchdown Tommie, Lawrence, Ahman, and the Pipeline aren't walking through those doors.

 

All offensive philosophies are capable of putting up huge points and laying complete eggs. What it comes down to is, do you trust the coaches? They haven't done anything yet, but I sure as hell like what I see so far, at least in Pelini.

You also have to have the athletes to run any offense successfully. Also just like what was said above two teams can run the exact same supposed offense and look nothing a like. That's why all of this Oregon talk is so nauseating. This is going to be Tim Beck's offense for the most part and I don't think anyone knows just exactly what he's going to do and moreso who is going to be the guy running said offense.

It's just a professional's way of giving the lay person a reference point of where the offense is headed.

i personally do not like oregons offense at all. If they didnt have the ridiculous speed that they did in the backfield i just feel like it wouldnt work. I really hope for our sake we dont try this.

Tom Osborne isn't walking downstairs to coach the offense. Touchdown Tommie, Lawrence, Ahman, and the Pipeline aren't walking through those doors.

All offensive philosophies are capable of putting up huge points and laying complete eggs. What it comes down to is, do you trust the coaches? They haven't done anything yet, but I sure as hell like what I see so far, at least in Pelini.

as a side note (and back to the original topic)...one of the best clips from AE a few weeks ago:

 

 

Very well said. Pretty much summed up what I've been struggling with over the past few years.

Richard Dawkins saw this video when it was posted on richarddawkins.net forums and he's now been in contact with the AE crew. Who knows what will come of it but it'd be awesome if it got Dillahunty more exposure like we were talking about before.

Helping people make cost-effective decisions should be an essential priority, especially with something as important as child rearing. If you are pro-life, make sure that the life lives as well it possibly can. Planned Parenthood helps provide that service.

 

By murdering it? Let's be realistic here.

Apparently you read my post as pro-abortion when I was trying to express a point of the importance of child REARING as an essential service, not abortion as the service.

Planned Parenthood does other things to insure that parents and their prospective reproduction choices are as educated as possible. This is, I find, the essential part of Planned Parenthood.

Also, if you wanted to be realistic about budget deficits and drains on entitlemnent programs, abortion is a great option. (Modest Proposal style satire)

I know that I may be asking too much, but maybe people who can't afford birth control or a child shouldn't be having sex?

 

Shocking revelation, I know, and probably not too popular, but it is what it is. I understand the importance and the "good" of PP and similar clinics, but I have a hard time believing that our tax money should fund them.

Agreed, but the reality of the situation says that they will be having sex regardless.

 

Also, regarding the bold, I'd much rather our tax dollars be subsidizing condoms than subsidizing children. One is certainly cheaper than the other.

Helping people make cost-effective decisions should be an essential priority, especially with something as important as child rearing. If you are pro-life, make sure that the life lives as well it possibly can. Planned Parenthood helps provide that service.

The Free Market will solve this! Gotta love a good staircase.

(Oh man I'm going to the hell I don't believe in)

Is this a good thing? Remember, supposedly C******n was a "technician" OL coach, and his OLs weren't any better than Barney's. As a matter of fact, I remember when Barney came in and simplified the blocking, the O-Lineman stated what a breath of fresh air that was. All I know is that our OL coaching needs improvement, I'm hoping Garrison can do that.

 

The more I read and hear about these coaches, the more I'm liking the moves.

They might have a had a breath of fresh air because of simplification but Callahan did coach up that line. Slauson and Nicks both start on NFL teams. Who could you say on this team has that kind of ability?

I'd say every team from 6 to 18 could be maneuvered in any kind of fashion and it wouldn't surprise me.

this thread confuses me as a whole. ive punched, kicked, battered and punctured people in attempts at life. its not bragging, it was a job. a job i had a chance to continue anywhere in the country, but didnt. call me a pu&&y, but the most terrifying part of it? not what i had to do, but the victims themselves struggling faces, and those around them begging for a chance and subsequently taking it out on me.

 

lots of bravado in this thread. fact is, look down at someone you care about dying, and post the actual emotion here then.

 

those that arent afraid of death are in denial, plain and simple. otherwise, you'd just let people go. there would be no tears or emotion, no outbursts. there would be no religion, no fountain of youth, no vampire, no zombie, no highlander stories. those devout christians crying graveside? why? because the deceased is in hell? or what?

 

 

oh, its because they miss them...well why? youre gonna die too...just like they breathed. you never cried because they took a dump, did you? does it scare you that youre still breathing?

 

 

are you somehow more poignant about anothers death than your own? please. its like how we justify someone living a long life compared to an infant dying. theyre both dead. then you hear about how the infant never had to experience this or that...the same people that will say 'oh, he lived a long life' to someone else. its all fluff we make up to make death sound better.

 

 

if i had to guess, i'd say the thread starter recently observed a death of some sort, something that made them question their own mortality. something that, frankly, scared them.

You've piqued my interest, what job fits this description?

I would say law enforcement or military

I think it was a response to so many people feeling like we needed to hire a John Gruden or big name to fill these spots. I suppose we could have gotten one big name for the OC but doing that runs a risk if the coaches don't trust each other and don't gel as a staff. The other positions it really wasn't realistic but to be honest. . .average Husker fan is a moron who doesn't understand football, coaching, recruiting, etc like we think we really do. The average fan is too emotional and not rational. I think if people look around the actual sports world they will see the staffs at even Alabama are made up of solid. . no splash hire coaches. I think there was a story the packers even had a coach this year that was coaching high school before they hired him.

 

People always want to date the prom queen but the reality is . . .we have a better chance of scoring and being happy with the band nerd.

This one time, at band camp...

I like how after all is said and done, Pelini will have walked through fire like a damn Chuck Norris, unscathed.

Bad ass hands down.

All this has got me wondering about the future of the Oregon spread, at Nebraska.

 

Jon Garrison, supposedly a power guy, to coach the OL along with Barney. Not sure I see any Milt/Dan parallels here. Sounds like two poer / run-blocking guys, one coaching interior OL and one coaching exterior, as jliehr said. And Dan was here as an intern anyway last year. The doubling up on this is puzzling to me. So is their OL style, unless that's off the mark.

 

And then there's Rich Fisher, who apparently ran the WCO at Rivers.

 

I wonder if change is again in the air, for our offense. And if not, I wonder if it shouldn't be. The whole spiel about last year's staff being a mismatched bunch not fit to run what they tried to...does not seem to have been addressed. Maybe it's a clue.

If he's coaching a position, fundamentals and execution wouldn't change from WCO to spread. Responsibilities should be an easy study, especially from a coach with that kind of potential.

Someone asked about Beck as OC. Beck obviously came from a good football background but really kind of made his mark in the Texas High School ranks. Remember these programs are like small colleges. And he was the TO of high school coaches in his few years there. All the coaches called him, copied his offenses etc. That's part of the reason hes so connected there. His offenses operated on simple ideas but could put up big numbers either way. Think of simplicity like Mike Leach's offense. It was always said Leach had 10 plays in his play book that was it, but you never knew what was coming.

 

Beck was recruited to KU for those reasons and it was thought he'd go from there to OC at KU as soon as the OC there. He's was 4-5 years ago where Frost is now.

Is that why Leach always called plays from a cocktail napkin?

I'll say that he could handle the stress of these "antagonizing" questions a bit better.

Although it'd be awesome if he just eviscerated somebody, Dr. Cox from Scrubs style.

I can't believe this entire thing. I never thought the day would come to be rid of the virus forever.

And bringing in TO's last QB, the one that sent him out with a national title, as an (co)offensive coordinator. I've gotta say that my head is spinning.

This is like the big ten talk last June.

I bet Sanders himself calls him, tells him whats what, and it'll all blow over. If everything is on the up and up with his resignation, then it shouldn't be a problem.

You would think...