Captain K

Hey Jayhawk, keep a close eye on the news about the meeting between UT and A&M tomorrow afternoon. Supposedly they're going to decide if they'll stay in the Big 12 or bolt for the Pac-10. If they stay, there are rumors that one of among several teams could be invited to join the Big 12.

 

At the moment it's looking like just Nebraska is leaving the Big 12 while Mizzou stays behind. If that's the case, then the Big 12 can still exist if everyone comes to an agreement to keep it going. Just add another team and call it a day.

Let's hope our (possible) move to the big 10 is the entire shake-up. The Big 12 adds TCU or someone similar and the beat goes on. Texas schools going to the Pac 10 is ridiculous IMO. Too much distance between the schools. UT, aTm, OU and OSU to the SEC is believable, but unnecessary.

All of the talk lately has been about how the Pac 10 has become the driving force behind the expansion process being sped up, but I will be surprised if anything happens between the Texas schools and the Pac 10 anytime soon. At least anything official. I doubt Texas just signs on with whatever being one of 16 teams brings with it. There will also be some snags with what texas wants from the Pac 10 to sign. I figure the negotiations will drag out. It isn't nearly the liquid situation some would have us believe. NU and MU, on the other hand, will be happy to have exactly what everyone else in the Big 10 gets.

 

I think what we're finding out is that Nebraska has been in discussions on some level with the Big 10 since this whole thing began in December, or possibly longer ago than that. December is just when the Big 10 announced their intention of looking further into expansion, so obviously the conversations have been going on longer than that, at least internally with the Big 10.

 

It's hard to say when Nebraska was brought into the conversation, but it's pretty safe to say we're ahead of wherever Texas and Co. are with the Pac-10. The Pac-10 announcement seems very reactionary to me, even though the Pac-10 announced a possibility of expansion in December, as well. Curiously enough, their announcement also included a 12-18 month timeline. It's only now that the possibility of Nebraska going to the Big 10 seems very real that the Pac-10 has ramped up their time frame, and the whole Texas group became involved.

We are either known to be heading to the Big 10, or the Pac 10 thing is definitely reactionary. The Big 10 expansion scenarios started to get pretty ridiculous with teams like Georgia Tech being talked about. If the Pac 10 is coming as far east as Texas and Oklahoma for teams, why hasn't Nebraska been mentioned. You have to figure we are more attractive than some of the teams in the six rumored to be heading from the Big 12 to the Pac 10. If the Pac 10 wants to strike first and make a mega-conference, we would be more attractive than some. We aren't in the Big 10 yet, so why no mention of us being a Pac 10 target? Someone in the media would pass on a Pac 10 University president stating that if a Big 12 raid were on he'd prefer we were involved.

There are a couple of possible reasons that hasn't happened. Either we are already gone and would obviously not be interested in the uncertainty of a Pac 10 move or the Pac 10 office threw the Big 12 south raid out there as a favor to a team in a really large southern state to make us blink.

All of the talk lately has been about how the Pac 10 has become the driving force behind the expansion process being sped up, but I will be surprised if anything happens between the Texas schools and the Pac 10 anytime soon. At least anything official. I doubt Texas just signs on with whatever being one of 16 teams brings with it. There will also be some snags with what texas wants from the Pac 10 to sign. I figure the negotiations will drag out. It isn't nearly the liquid situation some would have us believe. NU and MU, on the other hand, will be happy to have exactly what everyone else in the Big 10 gets.

I dont know how comfortable i am being a fan of a college team that pulled the trigger and blew away college football as we know it.

How would you feel if we recommitted to the Big 12 and a day later all of the Texas schools left us holding the bag?

Scrolling across bottom of ESPN, it says Big 12 exec expects Nebraska to join Big 10 by Friday.

I think we are kidding ourselves a little. Missouri may not be OU of the 70's and 80's, but if we lose to Missouri we are pissed. It has become a game we don't like to lose. With the Gabbert's potentially at the controls for the next several years, it can only intensify. They have moved themselves to the top of most people's Big 12 North list, regardless of the lack of history between the two schools.

I don't know about you, but I get pissed whenever we lose a game.

If your phone rings, it's probably the CIA with a job opportunity.

Any word on whether the other Big 12 teams, with their qb's rated worse than ours, having dropped their football programs yet?

Outed.

It won't be Roger Craig.

 

Though how Johnny Mitchell wasn't in the top 30 is very strange. One of the best pass catchers Nebraska ever had in a Receiver or Tightend.

I believe he left early. That may exclude him, if true.

If Craig, who had one of the better pro careers, is left off, it would be a shame. One real good player is missing the boat either way.

Sounds like Beebe wants everyone to toe the party line but let Texas negotiate a TV deal for themselves and that's OK. So why is MU and Nebraska interested in going to another conference??? just stirrin' the pot

 

 

GBR

Yeah. If you thought Beebe had any credibility left at all and wasn't entirely in UT's hip pocket, he's certainly down at the bottom now, tangled in the lint and huggin' that tic tac you can never dig out.

It probably wasn't something the athletic department decide to do. Adidas is behind the move, if there is one. In the contract NU signed, adidas has guidelines as to where they won't put the logo, like over the top of the letters "Nebraska" for instance. They can put it anywhere else that was agreed to. They were just looking for a change is my guess. Video game producers like to be accurate. They asked what the jersey will look like for next year and this is what they were told.

Doesn't take him very long to figure out where the ball is going. Thanks to DS for wearing the white socks so I could pick him out on the film.

Wake me up when something actually happens.

I think we are kidding ourselves a little. Missouri may not be OU of the 70's and 80's, but if we lose to Missouri we are pissed. It has become a game we don't like to lose. With the Gabbert's potentially at the controls for the next several years, it can only intensify. They have moved themselves to the top of most people's Big 12 North list, regardless of the lack of history between the two schools.

I believe Ole Miss was #4 last preseason.

I think they used to sell the gold sheet at Aksarben for $5. They would suggest horses to lose your money on. Like you couldn't do it yourself.

Knute Rockne woulda pounded that guy with the guitar.

They'd be a powerhouse conference in just about every sport imaginable with that lineup...

I'm hoping Texas says no and Notre Dame holds out. I believe we are in consideration primarily to create a handful of must see football games each season. We are a borderline Big Ten school otherwise. If the Big Ten can woo ND and UT, we become less important. What we bring is what ND brings, only less-so and without the academic prestige. We could be on the outside looking in.

Yes, thanks for doing that!

I think there is too much already out there, this is kind of a done deal, or it never happens period. I think the Big Ten will expand, with or without Notre Dame, but the amount of expansion could be limited if Notre Dame balks, so that they could be brought in when they "see the light". Notre Dame is the one team that the Big Ten "has to have" either now, or eventually. However, I think if they quash the expansion now, Nebraska may decide that it just isn't worth it. I also think that if Notre Dame gets some kind of sweetheart deal like Texas did when the Big 12 was conceived, Nebraska will probably balk. Missouri on the other hand is looking for a reason to get out of the Big 12 and into the Big Ten, I think they are looking for a fresh start somewhere else.

I don't think ND gets a special deal.

They are in a unique position. The Big 10 will take them whenever they say they want in. Whenever the Big 10 deal is better than their current independent deal, they will tell the Big 10 they are ready and the door will be wide open. They are like jello - there's always room. They have accountants counting the beans and the second the scales tip in favor of joining, they apply. I personally can't wait to be in the same conference as ND. I love to hate them so much that it will be war whether we play them in football or rifle (isn't that a sport at NU?)

nebraska and missouri in the big 10 would be like releasing a pair of rabid wolves in a hen house. to say that they initially destroy their competition would be an understatement.

 

figure who would be in our division if it comes to that? iowa? illinois or northwestern? minnesota or wisconsin? does anyone really fear anyone of these guys? i'd stack up sec teams against missouri or nebraska before i'd consider anyone other than tOSU or mechicken and maybe that little state school from pennsylvania.

You do realize that Missouri just played Northwestern the other year in the Alamo Bowl when Chase Daniels was a senior (one of their better years of the decade) and they went into overtime. You also severely underestimate Iowa and Wisconsin. I'm not going to agree with that Iowa fan and say that the Big Ten is fast (though they are a lot faster than they are given credit for) but to think that both teams would just walk in and make a BCS game every year would be very naive. I see Missouri being a middle of the pack team in the Big Ten, and Nebraska being usually somewhere in the top 5 (out of 16; that's better than it sounds).

Hey MStateu4evr! We will be glad to share a conference with you and even our board, but you just pasted your last post over the top of mine and made it disappear. It had a hilarious Dave Chappelle scene atached to it. Now mind your manners, so THIS doesn't happen to you.

J/K Edit: Just making sure you realize the J/K means just kidding. It was the mods who pulled my post.You didn't sit on it.

I still long for the days when we could stick in a third string walk-on QB and beat a top 20 ranked team. Or, we could lose our Heisman hopeful RB and plug in a freshman RB without skipping a beat. This all occurred because of our pipeline. We had one of if not the best OL in college football. Until we get a better performing OL, it really isn't going to matter who's under center.

After reading your first sentence, I was going to respond with what you put in your 3rd, fourth and fifth sentences. Regardless of who starts, they'll need some line help.

Lee gave us a chance to lose to Iowa freakin State. I have yet to say that someone is better than Lee. I'm assuming, given his horrid play, that there must be somebody better. Unfortunately I couldn't see the spring game to judge the talent. But, I know Lee has none. My point is, if we don't have a better qb than Lee, we have apparently done the worst job of recruiting qb's known to man. His arm stinks. Mine might just be better. I can't believe that we don't have a better qb on the roster. Lee, as a runner, is even worse. Someone would have to have no legs at all to not be 3 times the ball carrier. You say CG can only throw a 15 yard pattern 7 yards. I say when he can get it halfway there, start him.

Looks like a kid who will earn his scholarship. If nothing else, he looks like a guy who will play 3+ years on special teams. With his enthusiastic hitting and blocking, he will end up on both coverage and return units. That will be about 20 plays a game. That's more than some of our scholarship guys have played.

Need to cut the guy a little slack.

 

Hes going to be pretty good, Oregon, Arizona, and UCLA were all close to offering. Also Notre Dame and Oklahoma were getting more involved with him. Hes legit and a very physical player. Can play corner or safety.

 

This is a great job by the staff targeting him early on and getting a commit. Within a month or so he would have had a lot more offers since he light up a recent camp he was at.

You misunderstood. Without ever saying he won't make it as a position player, I've put him on the field for 3 or more years for a significant contribution. That is more than I've said about any other recruit while a member of this board. Actually, I should probably rein myself in a little.

I think what we do this year will have an effect on CS's decision. If we start Lee, he can probably see himself playing in our offense. Anyone else starts, he will hear from other coaches that Nebraska is moving in a direction of using running qb's. He might fear that he and his arm will ride the bench.

 

I see what your saying, but wouldn't he already think that with our recruitment of Green, Carnes, T-Mart & Turner?

Of course, but who plays is a better indicator. We are not going to run mucho zone read etc with Lee. Actually, if he (Suntrup) sees us throwing, he may think the other guys we've recruited have made a bad choice.

I'm assuming that he is related to the former Raider player of the same name. He is not that far from Oakland either. Maybe our newly crowned repeat Big 12 outdoor track championship team can sway him our way. He is a track guy also.