speedtoburn

Navy and USF are rolling, they represent challenges 1 and 1A for Frost.

I'm curious to see if, and how well his D can handle the Navy O. If they can, then my guess is they run the table heading into their final game against USF. If they beat USF, and finish an undefeated season, Frost likely becomes the #1 candidate for any P5 opening, at which point a Chess game of epic proportions begins for us.

30 minutes ago, lo country said:

I think his coaching acumen is high.  Sievert, TO, Kelly etc...  He has done well at all of his coaching stops.  From Northern Iowa to Oregon to UCF.  First year at UCF ad the best recruit class in the conference.  Statistically the are near the top this year.  He took over a 0-12 program and has turned it around in 2 years.  With another guys kids and implemented his definitive vision if a system.  His staff is composed of guys he's coached with.  He was a NC QB and spent 6 years (IIRC) in the NFL as a DB.  He knows pro style O, option/power O as well as up tempo spread and zone read. He knows what system works in Nebraska and what kind of kids you can recruit to NU. He would bring a definitive, coachable, teachable system that he would recruit specifically for.  He knows the nights single factor to increase your chance of winning on either side of the ball is speed....

 

He would bring energy and enthusiasm to the state and fan base after years of division.  Really since 2003......Dude is just a winner.  Has the "it" factor.  Could create a system to the kids we have.  Has 2 years of Florida ties and about 4 of west coast ties.  Not to mention the 500 mile radius name recognition...If we don't go after him if we fire Riley, we never will.

You should be in sales, I'm sold. lol

Seriously though, those are all valid points...metrics which should be taken into consideration to be sure. The thing is, it may be a moot point because there is a part of me which honestly wonders if we could even get anyone better than Frost to take this job considering the baggage of the last however many years (fired coaches, AD's, etc.) we aren't exactly  bastion of stability.

7 minutes ago, lo country said:

A lot of the staff has been with Scott since Northern Iowa....some from Oregon.  The currently run a 3-4....Not saying the rumor is true, but there is some continuity to his staff..

Do you honestly think Scott Frost is the answer?

I don't ask that to imply that he isn't, just curious to know your personal belief.

I think a lot of people are putting their hopes on him, maybe I'm just more conservative than others, but I personally am not "sold" on the idea that he is the answer.

I agree that early returns are awesome, and definitely encouraging, but he is only in year 2, right? I'm just uneasy at the thought of hiring Frost with a body of work that only spans two years. At the end of the day, what does that really tell us?

4 minutes ago, CharBroiled said:

There is a DCoord here at a small NAIA school in KS who used to coach with the UCF RB coach. The UCF RB coach has said all of the coaching staff wives have started talking/planning the move to Lincoln.

Take it with a grain of salt

 

This sounds like Ann absolute load of crap.

This is not a damn 17-10 ballgame, what a fluke. Wisconsin is lucky.

4 hours ago, lo country said:

Haha.  That's me from back in the day.  There's some on here from the old pedia days......

 

Speed kills.  Pure and simple.  It covers up a lot if deficiencies.  Out of position on coverage, speed allows this to be negated. Holes don't have to be open as long, tackles can kick out faster etc....Blitzes get home more often than not etc....

 

Bobby Bowden was the one who helped TO with the mystery of speed.  IIRC, we traded strength training for the "secret".  Both guys respected each other tremendously.  Read an article that Booby turned TO onto the Florida speed so he'd steal guys away form Miami and UF and Bobby wouldnt have to play them every year. 

 

McBride sad they recruited speed, tackling and then size on the D.....If a guy couldn't run, he wasn't recruited.  Safeties to LB, LB to DE etc.....speed everywhere at every position.  It worked then and works now.  

 

IMO, in or current 3-4, the OLB have gotta be able to cover a lot of ground and quickly.  Not just vertically, but laterally as well.  We are missing this.  Same with an "elite" pass rusher.  Elite really is a nice way to say fast. Look at Super D in 2003....Dude was a LB moved to DE (passing) who tee'd off on QB's weekly...(Linebacker Demorrio Williams played a dominant role on the Blackshirt defense by finishing second on the team in total tackles, while leading the Huskers in sacks, tackles for loss, quarterback hurries and fumble recoveries, setting the tone for one of the nation's top defenses.)

 

Like you, not sure if it's the "silver bullet", but we look slower than the current crop of elite teams and its reflected in our W-L record. It definitely wouldn't hurt us to get more speed.  

Word.

11 minutes ago, lo country said:

Perhaps more "speed", but per the recruiting services, no.  Another thing is a staff maximizing their personnel on hand.  Coaching and developing that talent and playing to their strengths within the current scheme.....

 

Frost does have a "talent" pool in Florida.  BUT he is recruiting against the likes of Richt, Jimbo, McElwain, Strong etc....not to mention the SEC, ACC etc.....It's not like he is the only show in town.  Dude flat gets after it.  

 

He came in with a vision that the kids bought into.  He is recruiting to and deleting the team for this and the results are speaking for themselves.  In year 2, one year removed form going 0-12.....

Im a huge believer in speed, are you?

I know you from Huskermax, and if I recall correctly, you are an older fan who was around for the Osborne era. If so, then you'll recall how the focus on recruiting speed across the board was a significant factor in helping the good Doctor get over the hump and start knocking off the teams from Florida.

I am not suggesting that recruiting speed would be a silver bullet for us, but when I look at our team we look slow across the board. I think that if we went back to the drawing board  with our recruiting philosophy and took a page out of the shift Osborne made, that it would pay immense dividends.

1 hour ago, Moiraine said:

This has been posted as a topic already. 

 

Position by position we probably aren't more talented for each one. But overall we have more talent. Quite a bit more I'm guessing. That and more depth.

 

But I define talent as potential before getting to college. Frost is working with less potential but, so far, doing more with it. So his players may look more "talented."

Yeah, that last paragraph....good point. That is probably an important distinction to be made.

I'm wondering how much of Frost's success can be attributed to the talent pool at UCF.

From what I see, the conventional wisdom is that Frost could step in here and make an immediate impact, but if UCF has more raw talent than us, then how could similar results be expected of Frost?

It's a sound bite...all about optics my friend, lol.

I learned that there is now one game less that we have to wait until Riley is fired (hopefully).

Well, before the season I would said no...he finishes out the season no matter what; however, the Eichorst firing now leaves me not so sure anymore.

14 hours ago, Nobody said:

riley's job is beyond hot....

 

updated version of available coaches for more context of the evolving situation..

 

Scott Frost - Maybe

Chip Kelly - No

Les Miles - No 

David Shaw Yes

Paul Johnson - No

Chris Peterson - Yes

Dan Mullen - Yes

Gus Mulzahn - No

Mark Helfrich - No

Charlie Strong - HELL No

Tom Herman - Hell Yes!!

David Patterson - Did you mean Gary Patterson?? lol

Clay Helton - No

Brian Kelly - No

Jeff Brohm - Yes

DJ Durkin - Maybe

Matt Canada - No

Dave Aranda - Maybe

Bob Stoops - No

PJ Fleck - Yes

 

Steve Sarkisian

Lane Kiffin

 

 

anybody on the possible dream list add below and ill update this post

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My feedback on your original list is in red.

I would consider 9 of these folks, with 6 absolutes who I would take. Realistically, if the search were conducted at the end of the season, of those six, I see 3 who I believe would listen (Mullen, Brohm, and Fleck). It would be awkward for Brohm and Fleck to leave seeing as how both of them just got at their new gig, but hey, you never know.

David Shaw would be an absolutely bad ass hire, but he isn't leaving the West Coast.

Does he have Dip in his mouth? lol

52 minutes ago, HuskerMav11 said:

 

I mean, Wisconsin's not even all that good, so I think that is doable. The thing to realize is that when we were in the big 8, we had some stud athletes playing for us that wouldn't pass a 3rd grade entrance exam. Times have changed. When we were in the big 12, we were lucky enough to be the only decent school in the North, even when we weren't that good.

 

Things are quite a bit different now. Wisconsin is consistently good. Iowa is inconsistently good. From a wins perspective, we would probably be having more successful seasons having stayed in the Big 12.

 

Nebraska just isn't what it used to be and hasn't been for a long time. The recipe for success has changed since Tom Osborne was coaching. 

 

Again, I want to reiterate that there is no reason Nebraska can't be as good as Wisconsin is now. But there is also no reason to believe that we will be any time soon. We're just a has-been program at this point until someone changes that. And who knows who and when that'll be and what it will take. If it were easy, we'd already be there...

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Mav,

Sadly, I can't disagree with this statement, which is pretty awful to admit.

3 hours ago, HuskerMav11 said:

We're going to have to get way better in the trenches if we're going to adopt that strategy. That's actually our biggest problem in general. Our guys up front are soft on both sides of the ball. Give any top 10 school our line, and they're hot garbage...

Exactly, and I agree that it would be an easier job to retool/recruit for a nasty OL.

Why on earth can't we eventually be as good as Wisconsin is now? The notion that we can't is absurd. 

3 hours ago, Hingle McCringleberry said:

 

 

Good lord, it's so easy!  Send a note to HCMR right now!  Speedtburn for AD!

I'll gladly take the job, and do it better than the buffoons who have been at the helm.

How much are you willing to pay me?

Give me Wisconsin's offense which is everything we used to be.

This is not Rocket Science. Assuming a new coach is eventually hired, we need to get back to our roots...build an offense that is built around controlling the clock via a punishing ground game, then use the run to setup the Playaction pass.

Why the hell is this concept so difficult for our athletic leadership to grasp? 

RoundbalShaman...

Can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking?

Are you honesty trying to compare Texas with Nebraska? Did you watch the Maryland game, and their follow-up game against SC? 

Clearly you didn't, the turnaround Herman orchestrated in the span of going from game 1 to game 2 was insane. This with an average roster full of players he didn't recruit, and starting a true freshman QB. Despite all of that they went into a top 5 venue and completely stuffed a loaded SC team with a punishing ground game fresh off a stomping of a PAC 12 foe who has traditionally given them loads of problems.

The trajectories of our programs could not be more different. Herman is everything we need in a coach, and he will have the Texas machine churning within 3 years.

Tom Herman, now 6-2 against Top 10 ranked teams, he is NOT Charlie Weiss...

6 hours ago, Big red surfers said:

  The 8 wins went out the door with the lost to NIU. 7 wins will be a miracle. Wouldn't surprise me if 6 is number and 5 wouldn't be that much of surprise. 

Yeah, looks like I need to re-evaluate this. Riley has been worse than even I expected, then again..this is classic Riley stuff here. He loses to someone he shouldn't, holds it together for a period of time, and then usually beats someone he shouldn't. So I wouldn't be shocked if we still go 7-5 with a win over someone we have no business beating.

to me it doesn't matter what the guy does at this point. We just need to excise him and SE from the program.

One of the movies in the Lord of the rings trilogy has this character who is like a once legendary King. He ruled over this particular area of the world, and then became decrepit and feeble. At one point Gandalf goes to visit him because he wants his help, and in this particular scene, it shows the king he looks sickly and awful slumped over in his chair, no interest in Gandalf, barely responding, everything in total disarray. As it turns out, the King was possessed by the evil mage, Gandalf expelled the make from the king, and the King returned to prominence, helped Gandalf fight his war etc.

that whole element of the movie is so representative of the state of our program for the last however many years. I fell like Nebraska is that former king who is now decrepit...possessed by horrible leadership:individuals who have held it back. Our "Gandalf" will eventually come (probably SE's replacement), and excise the demons which currently possesses/hamper the program.

23 hours ago, Frustrated said:

Become?  Have you talked to anyone else in the conference?  We bought that spot when we sold our collective soul to get away from Texas (and look at the suck from Austin!).  It was a money grab.  We aren't relevant and likely won't be.  the end.

Clay Helton would like to have a word with you.

Herman is going to have that program firing on all pistons by the end of the year, mark my words.

Next year they will be a force to be reckoned with. Herman is the second best coach in the NCAA in my opinion, only Saban gets the nod over him, and I shudder to think what Herman could do with a talent pool as deep as Bama's.

Uncover the identies of Hiskerboard users "Whistlepig" and "TheDude", broker a sit down between the two and begin a debate on the importance (or lack thereof) of Vocabulary...proper use, sophistication, etc, etc. and intervene if a brawl breaks out.

Tape the entire thing, call a meeting with the team captains, show them the recording, and use it as motivation to show them how passionate the fan base is for them...this will get the captains fired up and translate to success on the field.

3 minutes ago, BoneyardHusker said:

Don't think NIU was a fluke because Arkansas State almost happened.

 

But if we end it 8-4 I still think we move on. It isn't going to get any better, we aren't winning divisional championships with this staff. Even if we end 8-4 Arkansas State almost happened, Oregon happened, NIU happened, and I am sure Ohio State will happen again, and probably another loss to Wisconsin.

This.

We need to move on, period.

Rikey is not, and never will be the answer.

How quickly the NU power brokers see this truth, and more importantly, accept it, is the key. 

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An old friend has returned to us this week. For the last couple years, Nebraska had left the Misery Index behind, bound for greatness under Mike Riley, no longer weighed down by Bo Pelini’s boiling rage and mediocre results.

 

That was what Nebraska fans had talked themselves into, anyway. And it would have been such a sweet story, with the nicest man in college football unifying a state where “Nebraska Nice” is both a slogan and a lifestyle.

 

But now reality has set in. And nice has nothing to do with it.

 

College football is always about looking forward, and Nebraska hiring Riley following the 2014 season was a reach into the past. His best work as a head coach was in 2006-08 at Oregon State, but three of the five seasons before he was offered the Nebraska job were of the...

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Good god, here we go again.

Turner Gill is NOT the answer, hiring him would be asinine. Neither is Mogila.

Posters like you who believe in thiose guys scare me, you truly do.