TITANIC VS LUSITANIA

that was a great article, very insightful

I'm pretty well-versed on Shelby Steele. He always brings up a few interesting points, then drowns them in his own strange brew of artificial victimhood. The holes in his argument are many.

 

The fact that the most vocal/visible activists use manipulative tactics to garner attention and influence doesn't eliminate the fact that the minority in question has a legitimate grievance, as dictated by America's founding documents themselves.

 

It's quite a stretch to declare that white guilt is the problem with America right now.

I'm not saying that, in fact I don't think the problem with America is even racial. I think the real problem is a disintegration of the family unit, and an over-abundance of self-interest in society, but that is another matter.

 

My point is that the goal of the "movement" that MRI and others take part in, or their proposed solution, is a monetary one, that awards blacks for no other reason than their skin color. It also seeks power by discrediting the moral authority of white people, and demanding affirmative action measures. All measures ignore past reparations, and their consequences. I do appreciate the social capital the movement has generated, the unity of a culture for a cause, but I regret that the cause is so...left-wing.

 

The methodology used in these anthem protests is white guilt. If they can subconsciously convince enough whites that they have a direct role in the suffering of black person X, they gain the political power to enact the solutions they want. And regrettably I think it is working. It is true, they have a right to protest, but the message is very strategic and manipulative and false.

 

Don't get me wrong, MRI is probably a great guy but I think his effort is misguided.

 

 

If you know of something he is doing, please share, but don't expect me to prove a negative. We both know that is impossible.

 

 

Then stop asserting a positive without any actual basis. Now, not only are you implying that MRI isn't doing anything active or sacrificial towards the causes he believes in, but you're also positing that he's an attention whore and using that as evidence for your insinuation that he's all talk. "I mean, he hasn't shunned the spotlight yet that I have seen." You realize how idiotic of a statement this is? If he did shun spotlight in certain areas, you wouldn't see it. Since you've shared 2,000+ posts with Huskerboard, I find it hard to believe you're some champion of putting skin in the game since I haven't seen any articles, references, pictures, etc. of your heroic civil deeds. Remind me, what have the things you've reported to have done cost you? Since that's the only mark of legitimate social protest, apparently.

 

 

 

Anyways, MRI's respectful, non-aggressive gesture of kneeling during the anthem has caused at least dozens of Nebraska fans to either change their mind on the issue of systemic racism in our country, or to at least admit that they've reconsidered and are more sympathetic to those fighting to end it. It's also provided a spotlight for our University to model very effective, supportive and healthy reactions and policy towards a complex and possibly divisive social issue and giving students room to work through those things. Who are you to say that doesn't have significance?

Check out this Shelby Steele lecture On white guilt

Que sera, sera.

Riley and Williams will then go see RJ Sneed at Cypress (Houston).

There is an Ex-Husker coaching there but I can't remember who it was

Wow we have a lot of depth at DB

 

 

 

 

To the bolded part, it all boils down to what the socioeconomic status is. If we're talking about whether I'd rather be poor and white or whether I'd rather be poor and black, I don't see a lot of difference but to play along I'd probably favor being white. If I'm a college student getting ready to apply for grad. school, I'll take being the black student over the white student. I'd also rather be black when applying for a job especially a gov't job where I had the same credentials regardless of race.

 

And that's the problem. White people don't know what it's like to be black and the day-to-day hardships they face. There may be some instances where being black is an advantage, but they are very few and very far between.

 

Read this and get back to me: http://www.deanza.edu/faculty/lewisjulie/White%20Priviledge%20Unpacking%20the%20Invisible%20Knapsack.pdf

I agree that white people don't know what it's like to be black. However, black people don't know what it's like to be Hispanic. Neither know what it's like to be white. We can play this game all day long. What this really boils down to is intolerance. We here in Nebraska have a prime example around the Lexington area. There are three different minority groups that work within the slaughter house. These three different minority groups are extremely intolerant of one another which has caused quite a few problems. The gang activity and such is a little rough especially for a town as small as 10,000 people.

 

Whether I live long enough to see the day or not, we are currently undergoing a massive change in culture. It's expected by 2060 that nearly one third of the U.S. population will be Hispanic. According to the Pew Research Center, blacks and Hispanics have large differences on core issues. The majority of blacks believe there is a bias against them while most Hispanics reject the idea that blacks frequently face discrimination. Roughly only half of the Hispanic population says they get along with blacks while roughly 30% of Hispanics say they don't get along at all. To put into perspective, this is a larger percentage than whites saying they don't get along with blacks.

 

Time may very well heal most wounds, but I'm not sure here in the U.S. with our diverse population that it will ever happen.

I think if you had more unity of core values you would obtain more social capital

 

 

Blacks and HIspanics and lower-income whites share stronger Christian values and church-going habits that the average American.

 

But we all share the same desire to feel morally and socially superior to some poor bastard out there, and it's always a bit easier when their skin is color-coded.

 

Yeah, the values is what helps bridge the gap, at least for me it helps. Without that, it is more difficult. I think not just for me, but for everyone.

But I am big on choices and personal responsibility, which I believe are good values, and determine, to a large degree, where you end up economically. More so than where you started in life. And I'm talking for all races, white, black, hispanic, asian....

 

Edit - I said choices, but that is not a value, my bad. Your values will determine choices though.

 

 

 

 

To the bolded part, it all boils down to what the socioeconomic status is. If we're talking about whether I'd rather be poor and white or whether I'd rather be poor and black, I don't see a lot of difference but to play along I'd probably favor being white. If I'm a college student getting ready to apply for grad. school, I'll take being the black student over the white student. I'd also rather be black when applying for a job especially a gov't job where I had the same credentials regardless of race.

 

And that's the problem. White people don't know what it's like to be black and the day-to-day hardships they face. There may be some instances where being black is an advantage, but they are very few and very far between.

 

Read this and get back to me: http://www.deanza.edu/faculty/lewisjulie/White%20Priviledge%20Unpacking%20the%20Invisible%20Knapsack.pdf

I agree that white people don't know what it's like to be black. However, black people don't know what it's like to be Hispanic. Neither know what it's like to be white. We can play this game all day long. What this really boils down to is intolerance. We here in Nebraska have a prime example around the Lexington area. There are three different minority groups that work within the slaughter house. These three different minority groups are extremely intolerant of one another which has caused quite a few problems. The gang activity and such is a little rough especially for a town as small as 10,000 people.

 

Whether I live long enough to see the day or not, we are currently undergoing a massive change in culture. It's expected by 2060 that nearly one third of the U.S. population will be Hispanic. According to the Pew Research Center, blacks and Hispanics have large differences on core issues. The majority of blacks believe there is a bias against them while most Hispanics reject the idea that blacks frequently face discrimination. Roughly only half of the Hispanic population says they get along with blacks while roughly 30% of Hispanics say they don't get along at all. To put into perspective, this is a larger percentage than whites saying they don't get along with blacks.

 

Time may very well heal most wounds, but I'm not sure here in the U.S. with our diverse population that it will ever happen.

I think if you had more unity of core values you would obtain more social capital

Hey I think coach Davis has done a good job with the ball security.

We seemed to have nagging issues with that area in the past.

 

 

Doubt he goes with the weather they are calling for

https://twitter.com/rahyme_johnson/status/783739747462033408

 

Dude...if you go to Florida, you will be putting yourself in harms way for 4 years.

 

Better come to a safe place like Nebraska.

 

tornado alley

GBRicketts

this is an interesting table

Nice breakdown!

So the way to play against NU is to take away the run, huh

Come on, CHEVIN, make the switch!!

Wut about Josh Davis, should be up there imo

We lost some manpower today. Hope we get them back!!

I have a recruiting boner

 

 

 

The reason the anthem protest is unacceptable is because it turns a traditionally cross-racial, crosa-political activity into an exercise in "white guilt"

 

Nice try, attempting to make the anthem=white guilt!

 

For all of you who are genuinely interested, there is a guy you should look into, his name is Shelby Steele, he has been discussing and publishing academic work for over a decade on this very issue.

God forbid anyone does something that makes white people uncomfortable.

I leave my sociopolitical convictions at home in respect of the tradition.

Maybe it's time to start wielding them, I see others certainly do.

 

Feel free to post them here. I am very curious as to what sociopolitical stances that you have.

 

My stance on this specific subject is that the anthem and sports should remain apolitical, for no other reason than that has been the tradition.

What do you think?

 

The reason the anthem protest is unacceptable is because it turns a traditionally cross-racial, crosa-political activity into an exercise in "white guilt"

 

Nice try, attempting to make the anthem=white guilt!

 

For all of you who are genuinely interested, there is a guy you should look into, his name is Shelby Steele, he has been discussing and publishing academic work for over a decade on this very issue.

God forbid anyone does something that makes white people uncomfortable.

I leave my sociopolitical convictions at home in respect of the tradition.

Maybe it's time to start wielding them, I see others certainly do.

The reason the anthem protest is unacceptable is because it turns a traditionally cross-racial, crosa-political activity into an exercise in "white guilt"

 

Nice try, attempting to make the anthem=white guilt!

 

For all of you who are genuinely interested, there is a guy you should look into, his name is Shelby Steele, he has been discussing and publishing academic work for over a decade on this very issue.

 

 

The BLM movement is a Marxist organization that seeks to redistribute wealth under the guise that there is a moral debt owed.

 

 

Even if this were true, which it is not, explain to me exactly how that isn't fair?

 

 

White America stole from, enslaved, and profited massively at the expense of blacks. Millions, billions, trillions of dollars worth of labor and wealth accumulated by whites at the expense of blacks. When have black people ever had any reparations made to them for any of this? When has our country ever made up for any of the negative effects of racism and segregation?

 

Just curious, what would your solution be to right these wrongs?

 

hey, i think your question is sincere. i appreciate it. i am working right now, but i will get back. thanks

 

 

Suddenly everyone's an expert on Black Lives Matter. Except their "takes" seem to mirror what you'd hear on Brietbart, Hannity, Fox News...

 

I'm guessing a lot of folks here don't know anyone involved with BLM, but are pretty sure they know what BLM is all about.

what is it about, enlightened one?

 

http://bfy.tw/7ull

 

When we say Black Lives Matter, we are broadening the conversation around state violence to include all of the ways in which Black people are intentionally left powerless at the hands of the state. We are talking about the ways in which Black lives are deprived of our basic human rights and dignity.

 

dont forget all the political demands!

 

https://policy.m4bl.org/

Suddenly everyone's an expert on Black Lives Matter. Except their "takes" seem to mirror what you'd hear on Brietbart, Hannity, Fox News...

 

I'm guessing a lot of folks here don't know anyone involved with BLM, but are pretty sure they know what BLM is all about.

what is it about, enlightened one?

 

 

 

The essence of the issue most people have, in my view, with the BLM protests and the national athem 'protests' if you want to call them that, is that the message being sent by these 'protesters' is that All whites are racists!

 

 

Not true. The message being sent is that all whites have benefitted from the systems of racism, while minorities have suffered. That's a very different message than, "You are a racist." and it's also unfortunately sad that so many of us can't admit to being fortunate to be given opportunities that others haven't because of their skin color.

 

A second message being sent is that being silent, being unconcerned, being in disagreement with the notion that whites have benefitted while minorities have suffered is to choose the side of oppression. That's a different conversation, but it's still hardly something that should be taken as a personal attack. It's a plea to listen and to see, to have compassion and empathy, to look out for each other.

 

So when some of the people leading a BLM protest chant "What do we want? Dead Cops! When do we want them? Now!" and "Pigs in a blanket, Fry em like bacon!" They're just good, concerned citizens letting people know that we lack compassion and empathy.

 

Please note, I used the word some,not all. It's probably best when talking about these issues not to lump everyone together.

 

 

 

BLM is very decentralized in the sense that any person or people can claim it while doing things not represented by the 'official' movement. As an actual organization, BLM hasn't and wouldn't ever spout rhetoric like this, and is consistently quick to condemn rogue people trying to hijack the movement for obviously hateful and misguided agendas.

 

The BLM movement is a Marxist organization that seeks to redistribute wealth under the guise that there is a moral debt owed.