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There's just a level of negativity that I can't stomach. The constant bitching about Pelini, how he's not good enough, not as good as the next guy, blah blah blah. It gets tiresome. People talk about benchmarks which are often arbitrary and based on chance as much as anything.
But you have to be able to measure him against something. Any job is benchmarked against peers. Performance is measured against productivity, goals achieved, etc. How many goals has Pelini reached? Academically the team is strong, but they were strong when he got here, and would be if he left. Off field incidents are not an issue, but they weren't really a major issue prior to him coming either. The culture has certainly been restored for the most part, which I think is a major (and often overlooked) achievement for Pelini.
However, at the end of the day I don't care what he says...it is about the trophy's. He has none. He's seconds away from having a couple though, in which case we likely wouldn't be having this discussion. But has he improved the team? Are they better today than they were 2 years ago, 1 second from taking out the #2 team in the country, winning a championship and going to a BCS bowl? I don't know. The defense has certainly fell off dramatically since then. The offense has improved...but it would be EXTREMELY difficult not to improve on that 2009 offense.
If you look at those Stanford teams...they took drastic leaps to get better. Their recruiting improved (Nebraska's hasn't), their records improved (Nebraska's hasn't). Today they are in a position to continue that winning tradition because the framework was laid down by Harbaugh. Do you think Pelini has the framework in place? I just don't see it. I believe he can win 9 games a season. We schedule 4 wins into the season every year. We can get another 3 from the bottom of the B1G. He only needs to go 2-4 the rest fo the way. He can accomplish that. But can he consistently put us in a position to win conference championships (which includes beating Michigan)? Jury is still out on that one for me. But I am getting very close to reaching a verdict.
I would rather measure him against what I think he should be doing. I know that's not measurable by anyone else and is totally arbitrary but I think that I know good coaching enough to know a good coach when I see him.
I see Pelini as a good and young coach with flaws. Probably just like you I have thrown things at the wall in anger at some of the things he has done. He could be a lot better at his job and that includes especially his behavior with the press and somewhat his behavior toward fans. I don't know anything about recruiting and to me the people who think they do are fooling themselves. I think the product on the field has been pretty good, but with big flaws, like the defense this year. But you can't argue that Aaron Green, Ameer and Heard are good recruits, and Stafford and David and Burkhead.
Stanford did get better, but it would be more impressive if nobody had done it there before. Walsh succeeded there, Ty Willingham took them to a Rose Bowl, and they've always had those academic standards. So it's not impossible to do there. Harbaugh is a good coach but I don't get the impression he's willing to stick around anywhere, so comparing him to Bo is like comparing Bo to a gypsie. He's a rolling stone, and it seems like Bo is sticking around for a while. Maybe not.
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We were one second away from a BCS bowl in 2009 and one defensive implosion away in 2010. That's not the same, but it's not nothing.
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Lando = Winner.
...and we're moving on.
Wait a second! I want a recount. The chad was dangling.
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There's just a level of negativity that I can't stomach. The constant bitching about Pelini, how he's not good enough, not as good as the next guy, blah blah blah. It gets tiresome. People talk about benchmarks which are often arbitrary and based on chance as much as anything.
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Its as sad to me when I see fans who are such homers that these kinds of stats are somehow impressive to them as when I see fans who are so extremely negative that nothing but a national championship is ever good enough. Both types of fans are equally idiotic.
Do you own a mirror? Because that's exactly what you sound like.
Because I don't think Bo's on the same level as Harbaugh?? You f'ing kidding me??
Who cares if Bo is on the same level as Harbaugh? Bo is our coach, Harbaugh isn't, and isn't going to be. It's a dumb comparison in the first place.
exactly, dumb comparison. apples to oranges right?
Maybe. But what else are we going to talk about?
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Ahh if your not counting VT or WV who are the three? Alabama, Oregon & ??? Because I'm pretty sure we beat Okie Lite last year.
Do you think we'd beat them this year?
Are we as good as Iowa State? Depending on the Saturday of course we could beat Oklahoma State. On another Saturday they could beat us.
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Its as sad to me when I see fans who are such homers that these kinds of stats are somehow impressive to them as when I see fans who are so extremely negative that nothing but a national championship is ever good enough. Both types of fans are equally idiotic.
Do you own a mirror? Because that's exactly what you sound like.
Because I don't think Bo's on the same level as Harbaugh?? You f'ing kidding me??
Who cares if Bo is on the same level as Harbaugh? Bo is our coach, Harbaugh isn't, and isn't going to be. It's a dumb comparison in the first place.
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Pretty soon you're going to run out of losses. We get it. You're Super Fan, and every time we lose it's a personal affront to you.
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Wait, now the NFL wanting to hire you is the benchmark of success?
what is your benchmark. did you buy into Bo's whole "it's not always about trophys" thing? let's just say conference championships...would that be a good benchmark?
There is no benchmark. You win the games you can win, you get lucky sometimes and you get unlucky sometimes. Every coach in America will tell you that. Being one of only six schools to win nine games during Bo's tenure is great, but it's not the end everyone wants. We want conference championships, we want national championships but it's dumb to gripe about a coach that has done something that 95 percent of the rest of American hasn't done.
Like Iowa State, Northwestern, Texas, Oklahoma, Washington, etc, etc.
Could you be more negative? Please?
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Harbaugh took a team from nothing, at a school with some of the toughest academic standards of any BCS school (we are seeing this year how those can hurt recruiting) - and turned them into a consistent squad. You also have to count this years team, since that was essentially his doing. Harbaugh is on another level...to be unable to acknowledge that sad. It's ok to be realistic, we won't question your status as a fan.
Bo took a team from nothing, too. Were you around in 2007? Your realism sounds a lot like pessimism to me. Bo doesn't have to be 'as good as' Jim Harbaugh for me, but simply recognizing that he's doing a good job, with obvious mistakes and flaws, is OK.
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Its as sad to me when I see fans who are such homers that these kinds of stats are somehow impressive to them as when I see fans who are so extremely negative that nothing but a national championship is ever good enough. Both types of fans are equally idiotic.
Do you own a mirror? Because that's exactly what you sound like.
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Wait, now the NFL wanting to hire you is the benchmark of success?
what is your benchmark. did you buy into Bo's whole "it's not always about trophys" thing? let's just say conference championships...would that be a good benchmark?
There is no benchmark. You win the games you can win, you get lucky sometimes and you get unlucky sometimes. Every coach in America will tell you that. Being one of only six schools to win nine games during Bo's tenure is great, but it's not the end everyone wants. We want conference championships, we want national championships but it's dumb to gripe about a coach that has done something that 95 percent of the rest of American hasn't done.
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Harbaugh in his first four years as a HC:
7-4
11-1
3-9
4-8
If you just want to count Stanford alone and ignore San Diego, his record was:
4-8
5-7
8-5
12-1
Overall at Stanford, 29-21, with one good season.
Although these are some of the most selective points I may have ever seen on a message board, again...let me know when Bo has his "one good season" and then maybe we can talk.
We are talking.
This whole You Post/I Post is a conversation. So because Pelini hasn't had ONE GOOD SEASON, he's not good enough. I love the armchair quarterback stuff from the internet. Nothing but wisdom, every day of the week.
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Wait, now the NFL wanting to hire you is the benchmark of success?
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Harbaugh in his first four years as a HC:
7-4
11-1
3-9
4-8
If you just want to count Stanford alone and ignore San Diego, his record was:
4-8
5-7
8-5
12-1
Overall at Stanford, 29-21, with one good season.
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How about being one of only six teams to win nine or more games in the last four years. In his first four years as a HC.
Here are the 6 BCS teams with at least 9 wins per year since 2008.
Nebraska
Alabama
Oregon
Virginia Tech
Oklahoma State
West Virginia
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Comparing Jim Harbaugh to Bo Pelini....HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Now that's funny right there...I don't care who you are.
While we're comparing apples to oranges, I think Joe Gibbs also handled the offensive coordinator duties while he was head coach and he did just fine.
How is that an apples to oranges comparison?
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Another article today says that Lincoln is the third best starting over city in America. All six, except for a Utah city, are in the Great Plains.
Third-best starting-over city: Lincoln, Neb.
Population: 297,200
Lincoln has only 4.1% unemployment -- the lowest rate for any U.S. city.
Sperling attributes much of that to the fact that Lincoln hosts Nebraska's state capitol, as well as a Goodyear tire factory and several financial/insurance firms.
The city is also home to the University of Nebraska at Lincoln, which provides jobs and contributes to the community's high 15.1% singles rate.
"Lincoln is a nice, clean city with lots of parks and a good community feel," Sperling says, although he admits winters "can be brutal."
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Is this right? One of the Nebraska papers says only eight FBS schools have won nine games or more in the past four seasons, and Nebraska is one of them.
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I read he sucked as a coach. I was also told a few weeks ago that he still sucked when I stated both he and Watson had very good years personally as coaches and I was happy for them. This obviously proves I'm a moron.
If Niles would have had the right attitude from day one he could have been great. But its hard to "arrive" when you show up on day one thinking you already have. I remember some of his comments when he was at the HS All-American bowls. He pretty said everyone else sucked and he was the best guy on the field.
Isn't it a coaches job to get the player to have the right attitude? Isn't that what they're praising Gilmore for in this award - that he coached up these two young guys so well that they had great seasons?
Or is it more that these are two really, really good receivers and anyone who coached them would be really successful?
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Tommie Frazier was one of the greatest quarterbacks to play college football. I don't think Crouch had more ability than Frazier.
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Not all teams play 13 or 14 games. 9 wins out of a 12 game schedule [which is what we have so far] is a 75% winning pct. It's not bad, but it's not any improvement from recent years. It was our first year in the Big Ten and I wasn't expecting us to set world on fire with the schedule we had. We didn't get to play conference teams like Indiana or Purdue or Illinois [Vanderbilt, Duke, Washington State, Kansas, or any Big East team] like most of the other teams did this year either.
I'm glad we're consistent. I'm glad we can put together at least 9 wins a year. I'm just hoping that Bo and the staff can take us up to that consistent 10, 11 win seasons in a couple of years or so.
me too --- 10 or 11 win seasons are what NU needs to have as a norm --- 10 wins in a "down" year, 11 wins in a "normal" year, and 12 or more in good years. Averaging at 11 wins. That would be play that would win conferences semi-regularly and be in the BCS with semi-regularity. That is, I would assume, the goal.
So basically you want the 90s run as a norm, not once every generation or so.
That's totally realistic. Which schools do that? Who should Nebraska be imitating?
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What if you just did their initials intertwined?
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Apparently Penn State talked to Bo about HC gig
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That's a straw man. Nobody thinks Bo Pelini is the greatest coach ever, or even the best coach in football today. You denounce extremist views with extremist views that don't represent what people are saying. The nine win thing is only part of what he's done. He's gotten our academics up to the highest team GPA since 1987. He has brought in a lot of great talent like Burkhead, Martinez, Kenny Bell, Kyler Reed, a bunch of offensive line guys, Dejon Gomes, Lavonte David, Ameer, Enunwa.... all kinds of guys. We have good players at a lot of positions because of Pelini. We've gone to a bowl in every year, we've won four of five bowls under Pelini, we've played in conference championship games two of the last three years.... the list goes on.
There is this thing out there where people are crying that "Bo is only hiring his buddies." But that's BS. The coaching fraternity is pretty small, and when you've been in it as long as Bo has, you're going to get to know a LOT of these guys. Who cares if they're buddies? Most coaches hire coaches they've worked with in the past, or know. It's the most common way of getting a coaching job. But because people want to bitch, they throw this out there like it's some huge problem. Les Miles didn't stock his coaching ranks with strangers, and neither did Nick Saban. Seems to be working out for them.
Bo sucks fans have no more validity than Bo is good fans. They just have a half empty glass. And you're not down the middle from the posts I've read. You praised that 97 guy who does nothing but bitch about Pelini in every single post. What a joke! There are so many positive things going on with the program right now. You've listed zero. That's not down the middle. That's negativity at its finest.
If you're so down the middle then spend a day posting nothing but positives about Nebraska. I'll bet you can't do it, or you slide backhanded digs in, or you just don't post.