We are being invaded by the Mexican Zetas on our border

[Yossarian]

 

Holy crap carlfense you're dealing with YOS, you better bring your A game.

 

What up YOS?

 

Oh...just living the high life in the land of the bland and the home of the chrome. It's supposed to snow here tonight in Bellevue...happens every year about this time. Had a nice wine with cheese and fruit for dinner - got to get in shape for snow shoveling and mud-slinging. Hows by you?

[carlfense]

Welp, there's your proof right there.

 

4 guns get sent over the border during President Obama's term of office? DOOOM!

 

1 gun was sent over the border during President Bush's term of office? Who cares?

 

Sums up the hypocrisy of the Obama haters rather well.

 

 

Your math is not too good. I'll help you out. Over 2,000 guns were bought by "straw buyers" under the Fast and Furious program and ATF agents lost track of about 1,400 of them. As of last month, 276 of those same 2,000 guns have been recovered in Mexico and 389 recovered in the United States. One U.S. border agent has been killed by one of those guns...countless Mexican citizens (drug dealers as well as innocent bystanders) are also dead. But, who cares. The AG? Not so much. He blames Congress. I blame GW, JoPa, Bill Callahan, Bibi Netanyahu, Noam Chomsky, Eli Wallach, The Man with No Name, Arnold Stang, and Oprah. And I accept some of the blame too,

Perhaps you would like to check your own math.

 

Fast and Furious (Obama presidency) = about 1,300 guns lost in Mexico.

Wide Receiver (Bush presidency) = about 450 guns lost in Mexico.

 

Now, using "math" we see that the ratio is actually worse than the one I cited initially. It's closer to 3 to 1 than 4 to 1. Somehow, Fox and FreeRepublic never get around to mentioning that. It is always "Holder this . . ." and "Obama that . . ." That sort of argument immediately shows that they lack credibility and integrity.

 

You should try sticking your head outside of the Republican echo chamber sometime. You might be surprised at what reality holds. Heck, you might even find some math.

[carlfense]

Holy crap carlfense you're dealing with YOS, you better bring your A game.

I'm not impressed so far. He uses block paragraphs that omit key facts because they are inconvenient to his preferred narrative. I've seen his type before and I'm sure I'll see his type again. For that matter, I get plenty of similarly structured arguments from defendants.

[Yossarian]

Holy crap carlfense you're dealing with YOS, you better bring your A game.

I'm not impressed so far. He uses block paragraphs that omit key facts because they are inconvenient to his preferred narrative. I've seen his type before and I'm sure I'll see his type again. For that matter, I get plenty of similarly structured arguments from defendants.

 

 

Ooooh. Playing the "Officer of the Court" card. Next you'll tell me that you have people like me working for you...

[Yossarian]

Welp, there's your proof right there.

 

4 guns get sent over the border during President Obama's term of office? DOOOM!

 

1 gun was sent over the border during President Bush's term of office? Who cares?

 

Sums up the hypocrisy of the Obama haters rather well.

 

 

Your math is not too good. I'll help you out. Over 2,000 guns were bought by "straw buyers" under the Fast and Furious program and ATF agents lost track of about 1,400 of them. As of last month, 276 of those same 2,000 guns have been recovered in Mexico and 389 recovered in the United States. One U.S. border agent has been killed by one of those guns...countless Mexican citizens (drug dealers as well as innocent bystanders) are also dead. But, who cares. The AG? Not so much. He blames Congress. I blame GW, JoPa, Bill Callahan, Bibi Netanyahu, Noam Chomsky, Eli Wallach, The Man with No Name, Arnold Stang, and Oprah. And I accept some of the blame too,

Perhaps you would like to check your own math.

 

Fast and Furious (Obama presidency) = about 1,300 guns lost in Mexico.

Wide Receiver (Bush presidency) = about 450 guns lost in Mexico.

 

Now, using "math" we see that the ratio is actually worse than the one I cited initially. It's closer to 3 to 1 than 4 to 1. Somehow, Fox and FreeRepublic never get around to mentioning that. It is always "Holder this . . ." and "Obama that . . ." That sort of argument immediately shows that they lack credibility and integrity.

 

You should try sticking your head outside of the Republican echo chamber sometime. You might be surprised at what reality holds. Heck, you might even find some math.

 

You said nothing about ratios, Counselor. You said 4, and you said 1. The fact is that one border agent was killed with a gun that Eric Holder's underlings were responsible for getting into the hands of criminals. Period. That's no echo. That's the original sound. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it non-credible. From the sounds of it, you think it's okay that "about" 1,300 guns were "lost" in Mexico. You make it sound like someone laid them down in the student union and when they went to get a latte and when turned around, they were gone. Wise up. Your President and his AG are dishonest...but then that's often true of attorneys - general or otherwise.

[carlfense]

Welp, there's your proof right there.

 

4 guns get sent over the border during President Obama's term of office? DOOOM!

 

1 gun was sent over the border during President Bush's term of office? Who cares?

 

Sums up the hypocrisy of the Obama haters rather well.

 

 

Your math is not too good. I'll help you out. Over 2,000 guns were bought by "straw buyers" under the Fast and Furious program and ATF agents lost track of about 1,400 of them. As of last month, 276 of those same 2,000 guns have been recovered in Mexico and 389 recovered in the United States. One U.S. border agent has been killed by one of those guns...countless Mexican citizens (drug dealers as well as innocent bystanders) are also dead. But, who cares. The AG? Not so much. He blames Congress. I blame GW, JoPa, Bill Callahan, Bibi Netanyahu, Noam Chomsky, Eli Wallach, The Man with No Name, Arnold Stang, and Oprah. And I accept some of the blame too,

Perhaps you would like to check your own math.

 

Fast and Furious (Obama presidency) = about 1,300 guns lost in Mexico.

Wide Receiver (Bush presidency) = about 450 guns lost in Mexico.

 

Now, using "math" we see that the ratio is actually worse than the one I cited initially. It's closer to 3 to 1 than 4 to 1. Somehow, Fox and FreeRepublic never get around to mentioning that. It is always "Holder this . . ." and "Obama that . . ." That sort of argument immediately shows that they lack credibility and integrity.

 

You should try sticking your head outside of the Republican echo chamber sometime. You might be surprised at what reality holds. Heck, you might even find some math.

 

You said nothing about ratios, Counselor. You said 4, and you said 1. The fact is that one border agent was killed with a gun that Eric Holder's underlings were responsible for getting into the hands of criminals. Period. That's no echo. That's the original sound. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it non-credible. From the sounds of it, you think it's okay that "about" 1,300 guns were "lost" in Mexico. You make it sound like someone laid them down in the student union and when they went to get a latte and when turned around, they were gone. Wise up. Your President and his AG are dishonest...but then that's often true of attorneys - general or otherwise.

Apparently the fact that I had reduced the ratio (surely you learned how to reduce fractions, right?) to make it more manageable went right over your head. I apologize for not explaining this in detail. I figured that you would understand and you clearly did not.

 

. . . and still no acknowledgement that this little issue has been ongoing during the last two presidencies. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

[Yossarian]

Welp, there's your proof right there.

 

4 guns get sent over the border during President Obama's term of office? DOOOM!

 

1 gun was sent over the border during President Bush's term of office? Who cares?

 

Sums up the hypocrisy of the Obama haters rather well.

 

 

Your math is not too good. I'll help you out. Over 2,000 guns were bought by "straw buyers" under the Fast and Furious program and ATF agents lost track of about 1,400 of them. As of last month, 276 of those same 2,000 guns have been recovered in Mexico and 389 recovered in the United States. One U.S. border agent has been killed by one of those guns...countless Mexican citizens (drug dealers as well as innocent bystanders) are also dead. But, who cares. The AG? Not so much. He blames Congress. I blame GW, JoPa, Bill Callahan, Bibi Netanyahu, Noam Chomsky, Eli Wallach, The Man with No Name, Arnold Stang, and Oprah. And I accept some of the blame too,

Perhaps you would like to check your own math.

 

Fast and Furious (Obama presidency) = about 1,300 guns lost in Mexico.

Wide Receiver (Bush presidency) = about 450 guns lost in Mexico.

 

Now, using "math" we see that the ratio is actually worse than the one I cited initially. It's closer to 3 to 1 than 4 to 1. Somehow, Fox and FreeRepublic never get around to mentioning that. It is always "Holder this . . ." and "Obama that . . ." That sort of argument immediately shows that they lack credibility and integrity.

 

You should try sticking your head outside of the Republican echo chamber sometime. You might be surprised at what reality holds. Heck, you might even find some math.

 

You said nothing about ratios, Counselor. You said 4, and you said 1. The fact is that one border agent was killed with a gun that Eric Holder's underlings were responsible for getting into the hands of criminals. Period. That's no echo. That's the original sound. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it non-credible. From the sounds of it, you think it's okay that "about" 1,300 guns were "lost" in Mexico. You make it sound like someone laid them down in the student union and when they went to get a latte and when turned around, they were gone. Wise up. Your President and his AG are dishonest...but then that's often true of attorneys - general or otherwise.

Apparently the fact that I had reduced the ratio (surely you learned how to reduce fractions, right?) to make it more manageable went right over your head. I apologize for not explaining this in detail. I figured that you would understand and you clearly did not.

 

. . . and still no acknowledgement that this little issue has been ongoing during the last two presidencies. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

 

You want me to "acknowledge" that it went on during the last two presidencies? Okay, I acknowledge that it went on during the last two presidencies. I didn't realize that my acknowledgment carried so much weight.

 

Now, according to you, it's a "little issue" - I disagree. It was a big issue when people in the Bush administration were involved. it still is - in fact, the death of a U.S. citizen can be traced to the program during Eric Holder's watch making it a bigger issue in my opinion.

 

Don't belittle my math skills. I was a liberal arts student. Don't assume anything...you know how that works out...don't you.

[carlfense]

You want me to "acknowledge" that it went on during the last two presidencies? Okay, I acknowledge that it went on during the last two presidencies. I didn't realize that my acknowledgment carried so much weight.

 

Now, according to you, it's a "little issue" - I disagree. It was a big issue when people in the Bush administration were involved. it still is - in fact, the death of a U.S. citizen can be traced to the program during Eric Holder's watch making it a bigger issue in my opinion.

 

Don't belittle my math skills. I was a liberal arts student. Don't assume anything...you know how that works out...don't you.

Now we're getting somewhere. Do you care to offer any predictions about the results of this witch hunt? I'll give you mine: no proof or evidence ever shows that AG Holder or President Obama knew about the gun-walking aspect of this terribly misguided operation. Despite the GOPs desperate attempts to pin this on Obama and Holder the investigation will reveal that the buck definitively stopped short of them. It is rather telling that the GOP is so concerned about the loss of this single US life considering their wars and policies over the last decade. I suppose they are just proving Joseph Stalin's famous quote of "One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic."

 

I apologize if my remarks hurt your feelings. To be honest, if someone's math skills should be mocked they are my own. There is a reason why there is a calculator on my desk and why I was a BA undergrad rather than a BS undergrad. I thought that I was being clear and apparently that was not the case.

[Yossarian]

You want me to "acknowledge" that it went on during the last two presidencies? Okay, I acknowledge that it went on during the last two presidencies. I didn't realize that my acknowledgment carried so much weight.

 

Now, according to you, it's a "little issue" - I disagree. It was a big issue when people in the Bush administration were involved. it still is - in fact, the death of a U.S. citizen can be traced to the program during Eric Holder's watch making it a bigger issue in my opinion.

 

Don't belittle my math skills. I was a liberal arts student. Don't assume anything...you know how that works out...don't you.

Now we're getting somewhere. Do you care to offer any predictions about the results of this witch hunt? I'll give you mine: no proof or evidence ever shows that AG Holder or President Obama knew about the gun-walking aspect of this terribly misguided operation. Despite the GOPs desperate attempts to pin this on Obama and Holder the investigation will reveal that the buck definitively stopped short of them. It is rather telling that the GOP is so concerned about the loss of this single US life considering their wars and policies over the last decade. I suppose they are just proving Joseph Stalin's famous quote of "One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic."

 

I apologize if my remarks hurt your feelings. To be honest, if someone's math skills should be mocked they are my own. There is a reason why there is a calculator on my desk and why I was a BA undergrad rather than a BS undergrad. I thought that I was being clear and apparently that was not the case.

 

 

Actually, I agree. Nothing will probably come of this.

[carlfense]

Holy crap carlfense you're dealing with YOS, you better bring your A game.

I'm not impressed so far. He uses block paragraphs that omit key facts because they are inconvenient to his preferred narrative. I've seen his type before and I'm sure I'll see his type again. For that matter, I get plenty of similarly structured arguments from defendants.

 

 

Ooooh. Playing the "Officer of the Court" card. Next you'll tell me that you have people like me working for you...

Nobody works for me. I do get to hear half of each story every day. That seemed awfully similar to your glossing over the facts of this story. I'm sorry if that comparison threatens you.

[Yossarian]

Holy crap carlfense you're dealing with YOS, you better bring your A game.

I'm not impressed so far. He uses block paragraphs that omit key facts because they are inconvenient to his preferred narrative. I've seen his type before and I'm sure I'll see his type again. For that matter, I get plenty of similarly structured arguments from defendants.

 

 

Ooooh. Playing the "Officer of the Court" card. Next you'll tell me that you have people like me working for you...

Nobody works for me. I do get to hear half of each story every day. That seemed awfully similar to your glossing over the facts of this story. I'm sorry if that comparison threatens you.

 

Don't flatter yourself. At my age, the only thing that threatens me is the fact that I end up in rooms without remembering wqhy I went into them in the first place.

[johnnyrodgers20]

Yes our guns go across the border and terrorists and drugs come from the other way , SOMEONE NEEDS TO WAKE UP , we are about to get hit hard and everyone is more concerned with Nancy Graces boob flipping out than the terrorists that are within our borders.

 

Already gave this link on a former 30 year Green Beret's telling us about the US and Israels plans to bomb Iran , however in the SECOND PART of this radio interview ...

http://dfw.cbslocal....charley-jones/# Click into : SPECIAL GUEST , MASTER SERGEANT JESS JOHNSON PART 2 , the subject changes to recent developments on our Texas / Mexican border.

I had some on this board criticize this 30 year Green Beret and his opinions on the plans to bomb Iran , fair enough , most of us are guessing on that , however , as far as our porous border and the drug gang Zetas that control parts of our southern border ; there is no mistaking Sergeant Johnsons message , as he lives in Texas and we know much here about what is happening in Mexico , as it effects us directly.

Main point being , Al Queda and other middle eastern terrorists are partnering with the drug , weapon and human smuggling Zetas , and the combination of that , with our porous border could be deadly for our country. I urge you to listen to the second part of this radio interview , as we are being INVADED , and our press outside of Texas is not telling anyone about this. I urge you to listen to the second part of this radio interview BEFORE you give your opinion. Do you know that the tunnels that the Zetas have been digging across the border look alot like the engineering that Hamas and Hezbollah have dug in their battle with Israel ? Did you know that the Zetas already have an extensive smuggling route inside the US ? Did you know the US is arming other drug gangs in Mexico to fight the Zetas ? I am not claiming everything in this interview is the gospel , but if half is true , we need to put some of our soldiers on the border because the Zetas are running uncontrolled on our Texas / US border ... and the Zetas are coming across our border into the US ..

 

 

What we do know is that people in the Obama administration have been sending weapons to Mexico - weapons that end up killing Americans...and law-abiding Mexicans.

Nancy Grace's boob flipped out!!!! Yos why didn't you tell me I thought we were friends!!!

[johnnyrodgers20]

Already gave this link on a former 30 year Green Beret's telling us about the US and Israels plans to bomb Iran , however in the SECOND PART of this radio interview ...

http://dfw.cbslocal....charley-jones/# Click into : SPECIAL GUEST , MASTER SERGEANT JESS JOHNSON PART 2 , the subject changes to recent developments on our Texas / Mexican border.

I had some on this board criticize this 30 year Green Beret and his opinions on the plans to bomb Iran , fair enough , most of us are guessing on that , however , as far as our porous border and the drug gang Zetas that control parts of our southern border ; there is no mistaking Sergeant Johnsons message , as he lives in Texas and we know much here about what is happening in Mexico , as it effects us directly.

Main point being , Al Queda and other middle eastern terrorists are partnering with the drug , weapon and human smuggling Zetas , and the combination of that , with our porous border could be deadly for our country. I urge you to listen to the second part of this radio interview , as we are being INVADED , and our press outside of Texas is not telling anyone about this. I urge you to listen to the second part of this radio interview BEFORE you give your opinion. Do you know that the tunnels that the Zetas have been digging across the border look alot like the engineering that Hamas and Hezbollah have dug in their battle with Israel ? Did you know that the Zetas already have an extensive smuggling route inside the US ? Did you know the US is arming other drug gangs in Mexico to fight the Zetas ? I am not claiming everything in this interview is the gospel , but if half is true , we need to put some of our soldiers on the border because the Zetas are running uncontrolled on our Texas / US border ... and the Zetas are coming across our border into the US ..

 

 

What we do know is that people in the Obama administration have been sending weapons to Mexico - weapons that end up killing Americans...and law-abiding Mexicans.

Just like the Bush administration in Operation Wide Receiver?

 

Hardly seems like a partisan issue.

 

I never once heard about guns being sent over by the Bush administration being used to kill a border agent. Did you? Besides, if the Bush administration jumped off a bridge, would you?

 

This might send Eric Holder packing - turning a blind eye to voter intimidation didn't get him thrown under the bus, but this might. One thing is for sure, it will be an issue in the coming Presidential election.

Welp, there's your proof right there.

 

4 guns get sent over the border during President Obama's term of office? DOOOM!

 

1 gun was sent over the border during President Bush's term of office? Who cares?

 

 

Sums up the hypocrisy of the Obama haters rather well.

 

 

I think you exaggerate a little. There hav ebeen four guns that have been used in a shooting that came back over. There have been hundreds of guns that went across the border. And the worst part is that dirtbag Holder mad ethese gun owners sell the guns to the drug dealers and now the come back and arrest them. That is pure crap!!

[johnnyrodgers20]

You want me to "acknowledge" that it went on during the last two presidencies? Okay, I acknowledge that it went on during the last two presidencies. I didn't realize that my acknowledgment carried so much weight.

 

Now, according to you, it's a "little issue" - I disagree. It was a big issue when people in the Bush administration were involved. it still is - in fact, the death of a U.S. citizen can be traced to the program during Eric Holder's watch making it a bigger issue in my opinion.

 

Don't belittle my math skills. I was a liberal arts student. Don't assume anything...you know how that works out...don't you.

Now we're getting somewhere. Do you care to offer any predictions about the results of this witch hunt? I'll give you mine: no proof or evidence ever shows that AG Holder or President Obama knew about the gun-walking aspect of this terribly misguided operation. Despite the GOPs desperate attempts to pin this on Obama and Holder the investigation will reveal that the buck definitively stopped short of them. It is rather telling that the GOP is so concerned about the loss of this single US life considering their wars and policies over the last decade. I suppose they are just proving Joseph Stalin's famous quote of "One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic."

 

I apologize if my remarks hurt your feelings. To be honest, if someone's math skills should be mocked they are my own. There is a reason why there is a calculator on my desk and why I was a BA undergrad rather than a BS undergrad. I thought that I was being clear and apparently that was not the case.

If they have no Idea what is going on in their department then all the more reason to get rid of them!!

[Yossarian]

Yes our guns go across the border and terrorists and drugs come from the other way , SOMEONE NEEDS TO WAKE UP , we are about to get hit hard and everyone is more concerned with Nancy Graces boob flipping out than the terrorists that are within our borders.

 

Already gave this link on a former 30 year Green Beret's telling us about the US and Israels plans to bomb Iran , however in the SECOND PART of this radio interview ...

http://dfw.cbslocal....charley-jones/# Click into : SPECIAL GUEST , MASTER SERGEANT JESS JOHNSON PART 2 , the subject changes to recent developments on our Texas / Mexican border.

I had some on this board criticize this 30 year Green Beret and his opinions on the plans to bomb Iran , fair enough , most of us are guessing on that , however , as far as our porous border and the drug gang Zetas that control parts of our southern border ; there is no mistaking Sergeant Johnsons message , as he lives in Texas and we know much here about what is happening in Mexico , as it effects us directly.

Main point being , Al Queda and other middle eastern terrorists are partnering with the drug , weapon and human smuggling Zetas , and the combination of that , with our porous border could be deadly for our country. I urge you to listen to the second part of this radio interview , as we are being INVADED , and our press outside of Texas is not telling anyone about this. I urge you to listen to the second part of this radio interview BEFORE you give your opinion. Do you know that the tunnels that the Zetas have been digging across the border look alot like the engineering that Hamas and Hezbollah have dug in their battle with Israel ? Did you know that the Zetas already have an extensive smuggling route inside the US ? Did you know the US is arming other drug gangs in Mexico to fight the Zetas ? I am not claiming everything in this interview is the gospel , but if half is true , we need to put some of our soldiers on the border because the Zetas are running uncontrolled on our Texas / US border ... and the Zetas are coming across our border into the US ..

 

 

What we do know is that people in the Obama administration have been sending weapons to Mexico - weapons that end up killing Americans...and law-abiding Mexicans.

Nancy Grace's boob flipped out!!!! Yos why didn't you tell me I thought we were friends!!!

 

So many boobs flip out these days (e.g., Louis Farrakhan), that I didn't see it as significant. Sorry friend.