Bo Pelini Dream Team

HuskerShark said:
knapp, come on, you should have this figured out by now. When things go good, credit goes to everyone except Taylor. When things go wrong, Taylor gets the blame whether it was his fault or not. Forget that we had a Big 12 championship well in hand and our defense gave up a 3-score lead. It's all Taylor's fault.
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I am guilty of a pretty blatant denial of reality, I guess.

 
knapplc said:
The Dude said:
There wasn't a QB in the game for Henery's 53 yard field goal, and Burkhead was in the game at QB for his TD pass (set up by Osborne's INT return). Martinez was the QB for Helu's long run, but not sure how much more Martinez had to do with that run than Helu and his blockers.

Saying Martinez gave us a 17-0 lead is a pretty blatant denial of reality.
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I literally laughed out loud at this. This is such a reach.

OK. So "Nebraska" got us a 17-0 lead against the Sooners. Not Martinez, because to think that would be a "pretty blatant denial of reality." It was "Nebraska."

So... who's responsible for giving up that lead? Because the only time you've mentioned Martinez in relation to that game you've said he was responsible for the INT in the end zone - which is accurate, but it ignores other turnovers in that game, including Helu's fumble at the Nebraska 19 which led to Oklahoma's tying TD.

But I guess pointing out Martinez' INT when we were up 17-0 was an acceptance of reality. Or something.
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It's a reach to say Martinez didn't give us a 17-0 lead? I think it's time to put the wine glass down. :lol:

Obviously it wasn't solely Martinez's fault we lost the game, I was never trying to argue that. I'm not, well, entirely crazy.

 
The point I was making was that Martinez didn't lose us those games. The defense did. You jumped on the 17-0 lead like it was wrong to say he was at the helm and... he was.

And I will not put the wine glass down, sir. This shiraz isn't going to drink itself.

 
I have been on record saying we won't win anything of significance with Taylor at the helm. That doesn't mean I want a different QB though. It could get a whole lot worse before it gets better. I don't know though. Taylor has been the right guy up to this point. And Taylor probably wouldnt start at 20 of the top 25 schools.

Off the top of my head Texas AM Oregon Alabama

 
OregonHuskerMan said:
I have been on record saying we won't win anything of significance with Taylor at the helm.
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You could splice a QB from Tommy Frazier, Scott Frost, and Turner Gill's genes, and we still wouldn't "win anything of significance" when the defense gives up 10.1 Yards Per Rush in a f****ing conference championship game.

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OregonHuskerMan said:
I have been on record saying we won't win anything of significance with Taylor at the helm. That doesn't mean I want a different QB though. It could get a whole lot worse before it gets better. I don't know though. Taylor has been the right guy up to this point. And Taylor probably wouldnt start at 20 of the top 25 schools.
Off the top of my head Texas AM Oregon Alabama
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Need two more there chap.

Just busting on ya.

Louisville, Ohio state, Clemson, UCLA and Georgia are additions off the top of my head

 
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Schools Taylor would probably not start at:

Bama

Georgia

Clemson

Ohio State

Oregon

Texas A&M

Stanford

Louisville

I'm probably missing a couple, but I think at pretty much every other school, he would be the starter. Some notable ones:

South Carolina - Shaw has been a gritty, tough QB for them, but his skill set is limited. Taylor would take that team to another level.

LSU - They haven't had a quality QB since Flynn.

Florida - Taylor probably makes them a serious title contender, as well as the previous 2.

All of the Big 12 schools - this includes Oklahoma (Bell is not a proven passer) and Texas (who hasn't found a good answer at QB since McCoy left)

I honestly think he could beat out Boyd, Bridgewater, or Mariota potentially, but in the end, I think those guys are perfect fits for their respective teams.

 
We just haven't had the whole package yet Saunders45. You can't fault a guy for being bummed out that when we held Texas to 13 points defensively, we had an offense that could only score 12. Then in another CCG, we have an offense that averages 35 points a game but a defense that decides to fail in record fashion. It's a real head scratcher how we have literally had a dominant offense, a dominant defense, yet neither have ever been in the same year. Now, in no way is this Taylor's fault as some people seem to want to point the finger at him, fact is though, in the game of football, as much a team sport as it is the quarterback shoulders a lot of blame. This isn't a new thing.......lets not pretend it isn't heard of.

 
knapplc said:
The point I was making was that Martinez didn't lose us those games. The defense did. You jumped on the 17-0 lead like it was wrong to say he was at the helm and... he was.

And I will not put the wine glass down, sir. This shiraz isn't going to drink itself.
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I can't agree with pushing all the blame on the defense. Martinez's careless lob into the endzone was the turning point of the game. Can't fathom how anyone can deny that. At worst, we're looking at a 23-17 halftime lead had he simply sauntered out of bounds. Which would have been enough to take it to overtime. Nevermind the offense getting shutout in the second half. We scored 3 points in the final 42 minutes of the game and the loss is on the defense? Nah.

Outside of the one drive that ended in a 49 yard TD pass by Jones, the defense had a pretty dang good game. Even with that pass, they played the kind of defense we've been yearning for the last couple years. Crick was phenomenal that night. The offense's turnovers and inability to even get into field goal range in the 2nd half had at least as much to do with Oklahoma's comeback as anything the defense did.

 
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Still....the Martinez discussion sure is getting f'ing old. The kid is going to play his senior season out whether some of you like It or not, and odds are....he's gonna have a pretty damn good year. Hope you are all ready to cheer him on. The season is right around the corner. I'm ready for some football!

 
HuskerShark said:
knapp, come on, you should have this figured out by now. When things go good, credit goes to everyone except Taylor. When things go wrong, Taylor gets the blame whether it was his fault or not. Forget that we had a Big 12 championship well in hand and our defense gave up a 3-score lead. It's all Taylor's fault.
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Sorry, missed this post earlier.

Firstly, no one is arguing it's all Taylor's fault. So please, stop attacking that straw man, there's nothing left of the poor guy.

But anyways, it's really not inconceivable to think a team can make up 17 points with 42 minutes left in a game. At no point did we have that game well in hand.

 
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QB--Taylor Martinez

RB--Rex Burkhead

FB--Tyler Legate

WR1--Nate Swift

WR2--Kenny Bell

TE--Kyler Reed

LT--Jeremiah Sirles

LG--Marcel Jones

C--Mike Caputo

RG--Spencer Long

RT--??

DE--Eric Martin

DT--Barry Turner

DT--Ndamukong Suh

DE--Pierre Allen

LB--Lavonte David

LB--Phillip Dillard

Peso--Eric Hagg

CB--Prince Amukamara

CB--Alfonzo Dennard

S--DeJon Gomes

S--Larry Asante

K/P--Alex Henery

Returner--Ameer Abdullah

 
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QB--Taylor Martinez

RB--Rex Burkhead

FB--Tyler Legate

WR1--Nate Swift

WR2--Kenny Bell

TE--Kyler Reed

LT--Jeremiah Sirles

LG--Marcel Jones

C--Mike Caputo

RG--Spencer Long

RT--??

DE--Eric Martin

DT--Barry Turner

DT--Ndamukong Suh

DE--Pierre Allen

LB--Lavonte David

LB--Phillip Dillard

Peso--Eric Hagg

CB--Prince Amukamara

CB--Alfonzo Dennard

S--DeJon Gomes

S--Larry Asante

K/P--Alex Henery

Returner--Ameer Abdullah
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No Crick?

 
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