How good can we be with TM under center next year?

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Numbers don't always tell the whole story.

Should the coaches feel that Brion is starting to perform better in practice than Taylor, then they should move him up to the number one spot. Obviously they don't think he is, by virtue of him [brion] not being able to run the offense to the extent that Taylor can. I haven't been to practice everyday, and I'm sure you haven't either.

Coaches feel that Taylor right now is better than Brion. They're the ones who know the team better than any of us do. Doesn't mean we have to be sheeple and follow their every decision and get behind it 100%, it just means that I think they [the coaches] know better than any of we fans.

 

[yogurt the wise]

Where are you getting your game film from? Highschool? I don't think you can honestly say you have any idea what Brion's skill set is. Unless you are at practice? Which I'm guessing your not by your comments. Also I would be upset if Bo didn't stick up for his starting quarterback. Not doing anything that T O didn't do for Frost.

 

[True2tRA]

Numbers don't always tell the whole story.

Should the coaches feel that Brion is starting to perform better in practice than Taylor, then they should move him up to the number one spot. Obviously they don't think he is, by virtue of him [brion] not being able to run the offense to the extent that Taylor can. I haven't been to practice everyday, and I'm sure you haven't either.

Coaches feel that Taylor right now is better than Brion. They're the ones who know the team better than any of us do. Doesn't mean we have to be sheeple and follow their every decision and get behind it 100%, it just means that I think they [the coaches] know better than any of we fans.

Unfortunately with this staff, I have gotten the impression that the best players are not always seeing the field. Now there may be very legitimate reasons for this and then again there might just be that fabled "Bo's Doghouse". I have no way of knowing. It just seems strange over the years the flashes of greatness we've seen from some players just to have them disappear. I hope if Brion is outperforming Taylor that he is given the fair shot at playing. I find it hard to believe that we don't have guys who can execute the offense better than Taylor. Hopefully Brion hasn't gotten himself into that doghouse and if he has, hopefully he can work hard enough to get himself out. That is if he doesn't leave the program before then.

 

[The Dude]

No, I'm saying that as far as fundamental QB skills, footwork, pocket presence, read and react abilities, and ability to extend plays Brion Carnes is better than Taylor.

Really? Based on what, exactly? Based on what we've seen I think Brion probably has better passing fundamentals. That's fair to say. But better pocket presence, read and react abilities, and ability to extend plays? That's conjecture, not objective fact. It's not necessarily true, you just want it to be. It's not fact just because you keep saying it is. You don't think Taylor is good at certain things so you assume his back up must be automatically better. You want Brion to be a better player because you don't like Taylor. If Brion is a better player, great, get him out there. I'm all for whatever helps us win games.

I don't think Taylor is a Cam Newton that's going to win us a championship on his own, those players are very few and far between. I really don't think Brion is that type of player either. I doubt Tommy Armstrong is as well. That seems to be the expectation now that Taylor proved he can manage the offense, protect the ball better, make better decisions, go through progressions, check down to his RB, and all the other things people said he couldn't do. Despite his flaws I think Taylor is more than carrying his own weight. I'd say the same thing about Rex. I don't understand why the rest of the team isn't held to a similar standard, and now the expectation seems to be that Taylor should have to carry more of the load on the road to reaching our goals.

 

[True2tRA]

I believe we are taking 2 QB's in this class as well. Not sure if they expect to be losing a player off the roster or what. Raising the level of competition and the number of competitors at the spot would be a great thing though.

 

[True2tRA]

I'll end my part of the discussion saying that I do believe Beck needs to do a better job in developing a game plan that suits Taylor's abilities a bit better. This being Beck's first year on the job I don't know that I can fault him too much. I will advise him the same as I would every other coordinator in the college football level. KEEP IT SIMPLE. Don't try to do 100 things. Just do 5 things and do them really really well. That goes for offense and defense. When you do those 5 things really well and the opposing defense is not stopping it, then damnit, you just keep on doing it til' they figure it out. Then you expand on that. Next year should be very interesting. We will truly see how well these coaches are developing and how well these players are being coached because there will be some real challenges replacing some top notch guys.

 

[suh_fan93]

The offense needs a shot in the arm. I'm willing to give anyone a look besides Martinez at this point.

 

[husker_99]

Numbers don't always tell the whole story.

Should the coaches feel that Brion is starting to perform better in practice than Taylor, then they should move him up to the number one spot. Obviously they don't think he is, by virtue of him [brion] not being able to run the offense to the extent that Taylor can. I haven't been to practice everyday, and I'm sure you haven't either.

Coaches feel that Taylor right now is better than Brion. They're the ones who know the team better than any of us do. Doesn't mean we have to be sheeple and follow their every decision and get behind it 100%, it just means that I think they [the coaches] know better than any of we fans.

Unfortunately with this staff, I have gotten the impression that the best players are not always seeing the field. Now there may be very legitimate reasons for this and then again there might just be that fabled "Bo's Doghouse". I have no way of knowing. It just seems strange over the years the flashes of greatness we've seen from some players just to have them disappear. I hope if Brion is outperforming Taylor that he is given the fair shot at playing. I find it hard to believe that we don't have guys who can execute the offense better than Taylor. Hopefully Brion hasn't gotten himself into that doghouse and if he has, hopefully he can work hard enough to get himself out. That is if he doesn't leave the program before then.

I would be super pissed if this was true. I can take that we get beaten badly by better teams but knowing if we had a much better chance cause we didn't have the best players on the field, that's a different story.

 

[Enhance]

Numbers don't always tell the whole story.

Should the coaches feel that Brion is starting to perform better in practice than Taylor, then they should move him up to the number one spot. Obviously they don't think he is, by virtue of him [brion] not being able to run the offense to the extent that Taylor can. I haven't been to practice everyday, and I'm sure you haven't either.

Coaches feel that Taylor right now is better than Brion. They're the ones who know the team better than any of us do. Doesn't mean we have to be sheeple and follow their every decision and get behind it 100%, it just means that I think they [the coaches] know better than any of we fans.

Unfortunately with this staff, I have gotten the impression that the best players are not always seeing the field. Now there may be very legitimate reasons for this and then again there might just be that fabled "Bo's Doghouse". I have no way of knowing. It just seems strange over the years the flashes of greatness we've seen from some players just to have them disappear. I hope if Brion is outperforming Taylor that he is given the fair shot at playing. I find it hard to believe that we don't have guys who can execute the offense better than Taylor. Hopefully Brion hasn't gotten himself into that doghouse and if he has, hopefully he can work hard enough to get himself out. That is if he doesn't leave the program before then.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it's conjecture. If you want to give yourself the impression that the best players aren't on the field, that's fine, but there's no way to legitimately substantiate that claim other than saying "I just think it's true", which in the end isn't wise. I could say Pelini is 100 years old and substantiate by saying "i just think it's true", but most people would think I'm an idiot for believing it.

Besides, I find that there have been very legitimate reasons for players not seeing the field. Look at Turner. The kid is an athlete, no question, and he should have seen the field more imho, but consider his body of work. He dropped two passes in the Minnesota game that would have been huge, he constantly got dominated whilst perimeter blocking, and he even admitted to 'dogging' it in practice. Despite all these facts, people want to claim we don't play our best players? Garbage. We play the guys who perform in practice and are consistent. Turner was a model of inconsistency this year. If a great player isn't seeing the field, it's his fault imho. Jeremy Maclin was young and saw the field, but the dude was flat out great and rarely screwed up. Turner screws up all the time. Blame it on what you will, but it's the truth.

 

[The Dude]

There isn't one qb alive who throws the ball to the same, precise small window ten plays in a row.

 

[lo country]

maybe they need a Niles Paul drill in practice? :ahhhhhhhh

Nah, the "Jamal drill" is enough

The drops weren't isolated to Kinnie. Plenty of guys got flak for it. Some of it is fair, some of it was for plays where it was a really tough to catch ball. But I think even the ones where it hits the guy in his hands and it drops - yes, that's his fault. But it also shows a lack of trust between QB and WR. And it goes back to an inconsistent ball coming from the QB, in my opinion. There's a little bit of both.

The same route, 10 times results in the ball thrown in 10 different places. That is hard on a receiver no matter who you are.

Pathetic.

There isn't one qb alive who throws the ball to the same, precise small window ten plays in a row. You guys are really something....

OK Capt Literal. How about this. 10 throws on the same route and all 10 are actually in front of the receiver. Martinez throws in front of, behind, at the feet of, too low, too high, behind and low, behind and high, in front of, too much lead etc....... The ball is never consistently in the same general area. This has got to be hard for a receiver to catch. You play how you practice. Martinez has an approximate completion rate of 54%, so 46% of the time guys are dropping passes or they are thrown in an area that makes the ball hard to or impossible to catch.

What helps a QB and receiver is to get in a "rhythm". If the passes are consistently thrown to numerous different areas, it is hard to get into a rhythm.

 

[ladyhawke]

Numbers don't always tell the whole story.

Should the coaches feel that Brion is starting to perform better in practice than Taylor, then they should move him up to the number one spot. Obviously they don't think he is, by virtue of him [brion] not being able to run the offense to the extent that Taylor can. I haven't been to practice everyday, and I'm sure you haven't either.

Coaches feel that Taylor right now is better than Brion. They're the ones who know the team better than any of us do. Doesn't mean we have to be sheeple and follow their every decision and get behind it 100%, it just means that I think they [the coaches] know better than any of we fans.

Unfortunately with this staff, I have gotten the impression that the best players are not always seeing the field. Now there may be very legitimate reasons for this and then again there might just be that fabled "Bo's Doghouse". I have no way of knowing. It just seems strange over the years the flashes of greatness we've seen from some players just to have them disappear. I hope if Brion is outperforming Taylor that he is given the fair shot at playing. I find it hard to believe that we don't have guys who can execute the offense better than Taylor. Hopefully Brion hasn't gotten himself into that doghouse and if he has, hopefully he can work hard enough to get himself out. That is if he doesn't leave the program before then.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it's conjecture. If you want to give yourself the impression that the best players aren't on the field, that's fine, but there's no way to legitimately substantiate that claim other than saying "I just think it's true", which in the end isn't wise. I could say Pelini is 100 years old and substantiate by saying "i just think it's true", but most people would think I'm an idiot for believing it.

Besides, I find that there have been very legitimate reasons for players not seeing the field. Look at Turner. The kid is an athlete, no question, and he should have seen the field more imho, but consider his body of work. He dropped two passes in the Minnesota game that would have been huge, he constantly got dominated whilst perimeter blocking, and he even admitted to 'dogging' it in practice. Despite all these facts, people want to claim we don't play our best players? Garbage. We play the guys who perform in practice and are consistent. Turner was a model of inconsistency this year. If a great player isn't seeing the field, it's his fault imho. Jeremy Maclin was young and saw the field, but the dude was flat out great and rarely screwed up. Turner screws up all the time. Blame it on what you will, but it's the truth.

I don't know if this happened at your house when we played South Carolina but there was a huge 'OHHHHH AWWW NO!' bellow when Ameer fumbled the ball in the red zone. When that happened someone here on the board wrote: 'Now we know why Bo isn't playing these younger kids!' I agree with the poster who said that the coaches know these players, what they do everyday at practice, the attitude they bring to practice, what's going on with them with regards to their studies, or what's going on at home. All of these things effect the way a player plays. If a kid is doing poorly in school and could be in danger of losing their scholarships or not being able to play, it's going to effect their performance. The same can be said with regards to things going on at home-if someone is sick or if there are financial issues at home or if someone died-all of those things can effect a player's performance. We only get the end results at the game. I really hope that the coaches are making good decisions and that the only reason they are not playing these new boys is because the coaches simply don't think they are ready.

 

[Enhance]

What helps a QB and receiver is to get in a "rhythm". If the passes are consistently thrown to numerous different areas, it is hard to get into a rhythm.

I've seen this argument you're eluding to been made before, and quite honestly it doesn't hold water with me. Given no defender interference, quarterbacks and wide receivers know where the ball is supposed to be - in the numbers. But it doesn't matter where the ball is - if the ball hits you in the hands, or is catchable, you make the catch. The idea that the WRs don't know where the ball is going to be and thus can't catch is total garbage. You know he's going to try and hit you in the numbers, but if he doesn't then you adjust. The wide receivers and Martinez know when and where a ball is supposed to be in a route. The wide receiver should not be worrying AT ALL about where the ball is actually going to be. They need to expect a perfect throw, and adjust to the not perfect ones. This is what every wide receiver is taught.

Our wide receivers straight up dropped catches they could have had all year long. Obviously, Martinez' throwing skills are nothing to praise, but I don't care if Martinez can't hit the broad side of a barn but 1/10 tries. When it does hit, you catch it - there's no plainer or simpler way to say it.

 

[HuskerShark]

There isn't one qb alive who throws the ball to the same, precise small window ten plays in a row.

Yeah, what the hell! Why are we not recruiting Drew Brees to play QB for us? But in all seriousness, it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack trying to find a guy coming out of high school who can play the QB position like that. Then once you find one, you have to try and convince him to come play for your team. A guy like that is once in a lifetime, or possibly more at a place like Nebraska with the type of offense that we like to run here.

Does TM throw a great ball? no. Does it look pretty? no. Does he get the job done? I think so. If there was somebody on our team that could do better, he would be starting in place of Taylor. Like everybody is saying, the backup QB is always the most popular player on the team.

 

[Enhance]

I really hope that the coaches are making good decisions and that the only reason they are not playing these new boys is because the coaches simply don't think they are ready.

I'm sure that's exactly the reason, but people don't want to believe it. It's much easier to say the coaches are bad, don't know how to put good players on the field, etc., than it is to admit that a player just isn't ready. People see young players making an impact in a lot of places and want the same thing here, but the thing they don't realize is that a lot of places playing young players either a) have no depth b) are extremely young everywhere or c) have great recruits like LSU and Bama. We don't have great recruits everywhere, and the young ones we do have (like Abdullah, Turner, etc.) screwed up a lot while doing good things. I agree with the coaches - play an above average athlete that is more consistent, than a great athlete who screws up about as much as he does something good.

I've seen players take hits like Abdullah did and hang onto the football before, a lot more than I've seen the ball pop out.