John Butler fired

SuperBigFan69 said:
I get it, not taking shots at your players but the reverse is true too. Telling them all they are the most amazing player in the world isn't helpful.

The general rule in coaching is 4 positives for every negative.
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Pretty sure it's specifically referring to Butler saying something along the lines of "you need big men to stop the run, we don't have a lot of big guys up front" - I think it was between Penn State and Iowa.

 
ranch boy said:
Rhule alleged toxicity a few times. Now this. What is going on behind the scenes?
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I think Butler pivoted from "we can do this with these guys, we'll just be creative with stunts and defensive calls" to "these guys can't do it, not my fault" later in the year and that wasn't taken well. It was a young and undersized DL, but it went from leaky run defense and locked up everywhere else to getting gashed with big plays on the ground and in the air.
 
Husker_In_WI said:
I think Butler pivoted from "we can do this with these guys, we'll just be creative with stunts and defensive calls" to "these guys can't do it, not my fault" later in the year and that wasn't taken well. It was a young and undersized DL, but it went from leaky run defense and locked up everywhere else to getting gashed with big plays on the ground and in the air.
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Stumpy1 said:
It has been proven that our DL is pretty much the same size as everyone we have played except for Michigan. We keep using the “size” excuse cause we lack effort and toughness IMO.
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I do think there is a difference between a 290lb 23 year old and a 290lb 19 year old, but yeah - the size excuse is just an excuse. I do think we'll be a stronger DL next year even just rolling with the same guys, but we also need to add an actual DT or two. They don't need to be 320+, but ideally more developed physically and just mean SOBs.
 
Husker_In_WI said:
Rhule today on the signing day show:

"I can't have coaches that are like "oh, our players aren't good enough."
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Yeah...I thought about Butler's comments there.

On the one hand, Rhule is right and it is in fact a terrible look for the coach.

But on the other hand, it's also potentially a bit of an instance of scapegoating by Rhule in the sense that literally all of us are thinking the same thing, you know?

And this one's kind of a terrible data point to bring up because Aaron Donald was regarded as basically the best interior linemen of a generation by some and was kind of a freak for his size...but he was actually like 285ish in his prime. Again - extreme example. But they definitely don't have to be as big as Ty & Nash.
 
Undone said:
But on the other hand, it's also potentially a bit of an instance of scapegoating by Rhule in the sense that literally all of us are thinking the same thing, you know?
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. You don't say it out loud and certainly not to the players, but maybe you share your concerns by rolling your eyes or sending a text.
 
Undone said:
Yeah...I thought about Butler's comments there.

On the one hand, Rhule is right and it is in fact a terrible look for the coach.

But on the other hand, it's also potentially a bit of an instance of scapegoating by Rhule in the sense that literally all of us are thinking the same thing, you know?
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For sure, I'd bet if you could get a 100% honest statement from Rhule he would admit the players on the DL didn't turn into what they hoped coming into the year. But I get the sense that Butler saying it publicly just crossed a line for Rhule.

It's a fine line between things like "our tackles didn't protect well" and "our DL are not big enough to stop the run" but it's distinguishable. The first one leaves open the possibility that they could protect well in the future (even if that's incredibly unlikely), second one is saying they are what they are. And that's probably more realistic, but Rhule has preached "tell me what they can do, not what they can't" from day one.
 
Maybe others have studied it closer, but watching the Husker defense for the last 15 years or so it looks like our secondary gives receivers a larger than average cushion. TV announcers have often pointed this out, too. That same cushion that gives up easy quick routes can also end up as free space for the Quarterback to run through. Some of that is scheme, but some of it is tactical. I have no idea why the same defensive issues would run through mulitple HCs and DCs but it seems to be the case. Thoughts?
 
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Guy Chamberlin said:
Maybe others have studied it closer, but watching the Husker defense for the last 15 years or so it looks like our secondary gives receivers a larger than average cushion. TV announcers have often pointed this out, too. That same cushion that gives up easy quite routes can also end up as free space for the Quarterback to run through. Some of that is scheme, but some of it is tactical. I have no idea why the same defensive issues would run through mulitple HCs and DCs but it seems to be the case. Thoughts?
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This has been a common complaint on the various boards about the defense of which agree with. 8 yrd cushions on 3rd and 2 were insane.
 
Archy1221 said:
This has been a common complaint on the various boards about the defense of which agree with. 8 yrd cushions on 3rd and 2 were insane.
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But has this been going on across multiple DCs and if so how does that happen?

If you've got incredible talent (and speed) maybe it works and you can jump the routes, maybe get a pick six. Otherwise it makes no sense.
 
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