Malaysia Airlines 777 Down in Ukraine

[Hooked on Huskers]

I still believe possible lead: untrained and/or panic comrade (operator) accidentally press the wrong launch button. Or drunk fueled by vodka beverage.

Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, in an interview with CNN on Saturday, also suggested that whoever operated the missile system received expert training.

"This is not the Russian-led drunk terrorist who pressed the button," he said.

Well my possible lead was scratched off (drunk). BTW, you ever ran across Russian soldiers in person?

 

[tschu]

I haven't seen any running around Lincoln lately, no

 

[ShawnWatson]

I haven't seen any running around Lincoln lately, no

Apparently you need to hit up more parties in the Russian bottoms.

 

[Hooked on Huskers]

In 1985, I briefly met five or six Russian soldiers in topless nightclub (outside Paris tourist trip). Broken English, kinda loudmouths but very friendly. Muscular and tall, Ivan Drago type ...... probably showed off Russian's body because these guys assigned to Soviet embassy. I sat down comrades table and I noticed these soldiers was not a vodka drink (stereotype perhaps) but ordered dark liquor and coke (rum&coke?) or lukewarm German beer.

BTW, veteran talk, "comrades" means exclusively Russian soldiers nicknames. Same thing as north vietnam troops = "congs" or "gooks"

 

[Mierin]

The British newspapers have their minds made up this morning.

The Sun and Daily Mail are tabloids.

 

[darkhorse85]

If anyone thinks that Russia supplied these weapons directly needs to get that out of their head right now. They aren't that stupid. That being said I don't think theor hands are squeaky clean either.

Welp.

The US claimed on Friday that Russia had supplied tanks and other heavy weapons to separatists in eastern Ukraine and warned of further “costs” to Russia if more weapons crossed the border.

The state department said that in recent days three T-64 tanks, several rocket launchers and a number of other military vehicles had crossed the Russian border into eastern Ukraine.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3fac5f2e-f349-11e3-91d8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz37qxpX4LR

I suppose I should have only refferred to the BUK that was used to shoot this plane down. I'll still maintain that it was a captured Ukrainian BUK. I know there is satellite imagery of anti-air pieces moving across the border and into Ukraine and then quickly back over after the plane was hit but I doubt they were used to shoot down the plane. They were most likely moved back into Russia because Russia knows that sh#t was going to hit the fan on this one. They know we've been watching them. If we watched the movement of these pieces we would have seen the launch from them as well. Using articles I have to register to see isn't nice, either.

 

[carlfense]

I'll still maintain that it was a captured Ukrainian BUK.

Why?

 

[darkhorse85]

Probably because that rebels captured one last month and have now deleted their social media postings boasting about the capture. They messed up. Bad. I think they thought they were shooting at a military cargo plane. What reason is there to shoot down a passenger liner? What would they gain by that? What would Russia gain by that if they had supplied the very weapon that brought the plane down?

 

[carlfense]

Probably because that rebels captured one last month and have now deleted their social media postings boasting about the capture. They messed up. Bad. I think they thought they were shooting at a military cargo plane. What reason is there to shoot down a passenger liner? What would they gain by that? What would Russia gain by that if they had supplied the very weapon that brought the plane down?

Is anyone saying that they intended to shoot down a civilian aircraft?

What we know didn't happen was a couple farm boys came across an abandoned SA-11 and jammed a couple buttons and shot down an aircraft at 30,000 feet. They were trained. They were pro-Russian separatists and Russia has been supplying them with weapons (and "advisers").

 

[darkhorse85]

They were trained and still shot down a passenger liner? Some training. Passenger liners emit a signal that would have identified it as such. Using radar alone would not have been able to determine that. I suppose proper training would eliminate that though. Maybe Russia just has sh**ty instructors?

 

[carlfense]

They were trained and still shot down a passenger liner? Some training. Passenger liners emit a signal that would have identified it as such. Using radar alone would not have been able to determine that. I suppose proper training would eliminate that though. Maybe Russia just has sh**ty instructors?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

 

[darkhorse85]

They were trained and still shot down a passenger liner? Some training. Passenger liners emit a signal that would have identified it as such. Using radar alone would not have been able to determine that. I suppose proper training would eliminate that though. Maybe Russia just has sh**ty instructors?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Well f#*k, carl.

sh**ty training is sh**ty training and we aren't immune to it either.

 

[carlfense]

They were trained and still shot down a passenger liner? Some training. Passenger liners emit a signal that would have identified it as such. Using radar alone would not have been able to determine that. I suppose proper training would eliminate that though. Maybe Russia just has sh**ty instructors?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Well f#*k, carl.

sh**ty training is sh**ty training and we aren't immune to it either.

No arguments there . . . but if you're basing your belief about Russia being uninvolved on the idea that Russian trained (or actually Russian) SAM crews wouldn't accidentally fire on an airliner . . . well . . .

 

[darkhorse85]

They were trained and still shot down a passenger liner? Some training. Passenger liners emit a signal that would have identified it as such. Using radar alone would not have been able to determine that. I suppose proper training would eliminate that though. Maybe Russia just has sh**ty instructors?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Well f#*k, carl.

sh**ty training is sh**ty training and we aren't immune to it either.

No arguments there . . . but if you're basing your belief about Russia being uninvolved on the idea that Russian trained (or actually Russian) SAM crews wouldn't accidentally fire on an airliner . . . well . . .

Oh no, solid copy there. It's just an all aroundbizarre siuation.

Russia now says they have evidence that a Ukranian fighter was flying close to the airliner before it was shot down.

 

[carlfense]

Russia now says they have evidence that a Ukranian fighter was flying close to the airliner before it was shot down.

Of course they do.

They've also been trying to keep the black boxes hidden . . .