Program Builder?

soup said:
I honestly can't believe that there are people that are seriously considering firing an OC in year two of a rebuild.  I must not be watching the same games as the rest, or maybe I just watch enough other football to realize that Nebraska is not as bad as everyone things.  We just don't have a game changer right now on offense.  We have two that could very well be game changers in Raiola and Barney.  After that, nothing.  (and that's two more than we had last year)

Yeah it sucks to lose like this, but for crying out loud.  Firing coaches mid season is not the answer, especially in year 2 or 3 or even 4.

Nebraska "fans" are half the problem with the program right now, and until that changes we will be perpetually doomed.  And it has nothing to do with raised expectations.  It is an understanding that the days of the 70s-00s is long gone.  College football is not longer the haves and have nots.  It is closer to the NFL now than ever.  Where 7-6 teams make it to the playoffs.  The more we start to understand that the better everyone's enjoyment of the game will improve.

But, by all means continue to tear down the program you love, and s@#$ing down it's neck.

And their fans want to fire their coach!
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But as you say yourself: It's closer to the NFL than ever before. OCs and DCs are easily replaceable. It's not like a HC change.

Are we overstating how bad Nebraska is right now? Fair, I could see that. Same time, there is a lot to be concerned about. Our only real good win right now is Colorado, and I question if we'd be able to replicate it right now. Rutgers got lucky against Washington and has shown themselves to be mediocre. Purdue is awful. And then you have what UTEP and Northern Iowa? 

I don't buy the patience argument anymore. It's a different game now. You need to compete right away. I'm not even saying fire Rhule, I think that would be insane to do. I'm saying he needs to recognize quickly that his coordinator choices are not working and deal with it accordingly.

 
If you solely base roster talent on recruiting rankings. We are the 4th most talented team in the big 10 the last 15 years. So we severely underperform. So if we have better talent but lose and sometimes lose bad to teams with less talent what conclusion should someone make? It’s either players or coaches. 

 
soup said:
I honestly can't believe that there are people that are seriously considering firing an OC in year two of a rebuild.  I must not be watching the same games as the rest, or maybe I just watch enough other football to realize that Nebraska is not as bad as everyone things.  We just don't have a game changer right now on offense.  We have two that could very well be game changers in Raiola and Barney.  After that, nothing.  (and that's two more than we had last year)

Yeah it sucks to lose like this, but for crying out loud.  Firing coaches mid season is not the answer, especially in year 2 or 3 or even 4.

Nebraska "fans" are half the problem with the program right now, and until that changes we will be perpetually doomed.  And it has nothing to do with raised expectations.  It is an understanding that the days of the 70s-00s is long gone.  College football is not longer the haves and have nots.  It is closer to the NFL now than ever.  Where 7-6 teams make it to the playoffs.  The more we start to understand that the better everyone's enjoyment of the game will improve.

But, by all means continue to tear down the program you love, and s@#$ing down it's neck.

And their fans want to fire their coach!
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Soup, I am normally in your camp.  Glass half full, etc... 

We have the longest bowl drought of any FBS team.  It is getting old.  I predicted 7 wins and still am hopeful that Saturday was just a terrible day but dang it sure looks bleak right now.  Most of us aren't expecting a natty any time soon but we do expect to look respectable against the teams that should be our peers.  Losing to a solid Indiana team isn't the issue.  Our coaches got severely out coached Saturday and our guys folded pretty quickly- that is huge red flag imo.

 
Huskers93-97 said:
If you solely base roster talent on recruiting rankings. We are the 4th most talented team in the big 10 the last 15 years. So we severely underperform. So if we have better talent but lose and sometimes lose bad to teams with less talent what conclusion should someone make? It’s either players or coaches. 
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And this has been the case since we joined the Big 10.  So 4 coaching staffs all suck?  Maybe, just maybe there is more to the issue than it being just players and/or coaches.

Maybe, it has to do with the unrealistic expectations of all the fans that think the 90s can happen again, and we just need to fire all the coaches until that happens.

 
Hilltop said:
Soup, I am normally in your camp.  Glass half full, etc... 

We have the longest bowl drought of any FBS team.  It is getting old.  I predicted 7 wins and still am hopeful that Saturday was just a terrible day but dang it sure looks bleak right now.  Most of us aren't expecting a natty any time soon but we do expect to look respectable against the teams that should be our peers.  Losing to a solid Indiana team isn't the issue.  Our coaches got severely out coached Saturday and our guys folded pretty quickly- that is huge red flag imo.
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agreed.  I predicted 8 wins based on the Rhule the developer theory and the returning seniors on D and OL and the fact that we got a dedicated ST coach who has done wonders ( :sarcasm )    I was concerned that we might lose to Indiana but as Rhule himself said - I never expected that outcome - which reveals some deep issues that need a quick fix.  The whole staff was out coached and unprepared for what happened.  

 
Hilltop said:
Soup, I am normally in your camp.  Glass half full, etc... 

We have the longest bowl drought of any FBS team.  It is getting old.  I predicted 7 wins and still am hopeful that Saturday was just a terrible day but dang it sure looks bleak right now.  Most of us aren't expecting a natty any time soon but we do expect to look respectable against the teams that should be our peers.  Losing to a solid Indiana team isn't the issue.  Our coaches got severely out coached Saturday and our guys folded pretty quickly- that is huge red flag imo.
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As long as the outside pressure doesn't actually get to this team and staff like it has to the previous 5 staffs.  Then I think they will get there.  UCLA will not be a cake walk, but it will be an opportunity.  And I don't doubt that the team will get up for Iowa.  But if the constant BS chatter of firing coaches mid season starts to wear on the team, then we have nowhere else to look for the problem.

 
soup said:
Maybe, it has to do with the unrealistic expectations of all the fans that think the 90s can happen again, and we just need to fire all the coaches until that happens.
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I don't think anyone thinks that anymore.  That bubble was busted years ago.  We just want a competent team that can get to a decent bowl and occasionally make the playoff if at all possible.   Surely we can rise to the level of some of the basketball schools that have been successful lately.  

 
soup said:
constant BS chatter of firing coaches mid season starts to wear on the team, then we have nowhere else to look for the problem.
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Don't blame the fans for poor on the field performance.  We pay a guy $8m a year to make sure that doesn't happen. 

 
soup said:
BS, the fans have a major impact on the results of the field.  And after 20+ years of abuse by the "greatest fans in the nation" you can't expect anything different.
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I don't think our fans have behaved in any manner that is beyond the pale when you consider what's occurred over the past 20 years. I tire of the patience line. They give each coach like 5 years, and get basically spit in the face. They continue to sellout games when any other fanbase would very understandably abandon the program in droves. Yeah, there's some jerks, but nothing that isn't experienced by other programs. Yet those programs can win. So I don't buy this one bit.

 
Mavric said:
Michigan should have been in great shape to continue on but seems to be sliding fast.
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Michigan has had only 3 losing seasons since 2004 and won a NC since 2004 not including 2020.   Sign me up for that at this point. 
 

Mavric said:
Florida State is a dumpster fire.
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Will have only its 4th losing season since 2004 with a NC and other playoff appearance 8 ten win seasons.   Sign me up for that! 

 

Mavric said:
Florida has struggled significantly
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Florida is your closest example by even they have sprinkled in 4 ten win seasons since Urban left.  
 

 
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soup said:
And this has been the case since we joined the Big 10.  So 4 coaching staffs all suck?  Maybe, just maybe there is more to the issue than it being just players and/or coaches.

Maybe, it has to do with the unrealistic expectations of all the fans that think the 90s can happen again, and we just need to fire all the coaches until that happens.
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No one thinks that anymore.

 
soup said:
Nebraska "fans" are half the problem with the program right now, and until that changes we will be perpetually doomed.  And it has nothing to do with raised expectations.  It is an understanding that the days of the 70s-00s is long gone.  College football is not longer the haves and have nots.  It is closer to the NFL now than ever.  Where 7-6 teams make it to the playoffs.  The more we start to understand that the better everyone's enjoyment of the game will improve.
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Huh?  

Nebraska is the only team in the Power Conferences that has not gone to a bowl game in the last seven years. Open it up to the rest of Div 1 and only Louisiana-Monroe and New Mexico have done worse. IIRC, we also hover near the bottom against ranked opponents. 

I think the "fans" that you put in quotes are long past expecting a return to dynastic Nebraska, but simply pine for a year where we might beat an Illinois or Indiana in a meaningful game. It's so bad that even outsiders wonder aloud of Nebraska is just cursed at this point, given how many programs have enjoyed their own turnarounds. 

So no, we don't start firing OCs mid-season (although that's exactly what Oklahoma just did) but maybe we agree that the problem isn't patience among the fans --- it's the high-priced product on the field. 

 
There sure is a lot of "patience" on X and message boards. And that is what the guys see.  That is what I'm talking about.  I'm not talking about the blue hairs that show up to every game come rain or shine.

It's the constant b!^@hing about everything.  Just look at the topics right now on this message board.  If you dare, look at Red Sea Scrolls right now.  Those are the "fans" i'm talking about.  And those fans, absolutely have a negative affect on the program.

And yes, I agree that other teams have the same crap, but they haven't endured the nonstop, "fire everyone once something doesn't go as planned" for 20 years, and the powers that be actually doing that.

If you can't see that part of it, then I'm not sure this program will ever rise above it.

 
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