Scott Frost's downfall

[admo]

Maybe it's really because he never experienced failure before as a HC and had no answers for problems and dealing with adversity.   

I don't think he ever had a plan B, C, and D going into Lincoln with diff philosophies and approach running a football team. 

It also didn't help that he was adored and praised walking into LNK and it probably fueled his ego and stubbornness. 

3 offensive coordinators including him as a play caller didn't help his case.  He didn't surround himself with an experienced staff.  

However, moving ahead, it is possible that Frost could be a HC somewhere and could be a better HC.  Learning from experience.  By staying positive and humble, being more prepared for everything, more focused.  Surround himself with experienced assistant coaches, spend as much time with the defense as offense, and stay away from play calling.  Because he was in over his head and needs to learn from that.

 

[Mierin]

My assumption with Burrow is he wouldn't have been good at Nebraska, but would have done something like Purdy once he got to the NFL. We didn't have a similar style or team to LSU. LSU won the best offensive line award at least one of the years he was there.

 

[Vince R.]

I actually think the biggest downfall was in game coaching.  There were way too many situations like the onside kick in Ireland that plagued his tenure.  The players aren't stupid and they see that.  It gets in their minds that the coach isn't going to be able to lead them into the 4th quarter setting them up to win.  Then, it becomes reality.

PS...this thread makes me feel like it's not less than 3 weeks till the start of the season.

I know many were okay with the decision, but I was upset when they went for it on the first drive against Michigan in 2021. Nebraska at that point lost so many games by 3 or less, that I believed 3 points after going 70 was huge. They had momentum and were able to get points against a talented defense. Pair that with such a fragile team already, you just knew it was going to bite them in the end. 

 

[The Dude]

Frost wouldn't have gotten as much s#!t about Burrow if he didn't put his foot in his mouth about Martinez being just as good.

To now pretend it's some mystery is a bit disingenuous. 

 

[BigRedBuster]

I know many were okay with the decision, but I was upset when they went for it on the first drive against Michigan in 2021. Nebraska at that point lost so many games by 3 or less, that I believed 3 points after going 70 was huge. They had momentum and were able to get points against a talented defense. Pair that with such a fragile team already, you just knew it was going to bite them in the end. 

Yes….in game decisions were absolutely horrible. And, after being a good OC, I thought that would be a big plus.  It wasn’t. 

 

[BigRedBuster]

Frost wouldn't have gotten as much s#!t about Burrow if he didn't put his foot in his mouth about Martinez being just as good.

To now pretend it's some mystery is a bit disingenuous. 

I have no problem with the comment. 
 

At that point, he had been buried on the depth chart at one school. Nobody had a clue he was going to be as good as he was. 
 

And, at LSU, he was aided big time by the guys around him with the O line and receivers. He wouldn’t have had that at Nebraska. 

 

[Vince R.]

I have no problem with the comment. 
 

At that point, he had been buried on the depth chart at one school. Nobody had a clue he was going to be as good as he was. 
 

And, at LSU, he was aided big time by the guys around him with the O line and receivers. He wouldn’t have had that at Nebraska. 

Yeah that was the only decision that I have no issue with. Burrow was not his guy and Adrian was really good. That staff and S&C made guys worse. I think of guys like Garret Nelson or Caleb Tannor and what they would look like under this staff had they gotten multiple years. 

 

[runningblind]

Yeah that was the only decision that I have no issue with. Burrow was not his guy and Adrian was really good. That staff and S&C made guys worse. I think of guys like Garret Nelson or Caleb Tannor and what they would look like under this staff had they gotten multiple years. 

I find that notion so intriguing.  How many guys could have been great college players and made the NFL with a different situation? How many do make it just because they found the perfect spot? Interesting.

 

[Mavric]

Yeah, there are a lot of things that didn't age well but honestly were pretty great answers at the time. "You think he's better than what we've got?" was cold when it looked like Martinez was the one who would be in Heisman contention. I also loved the "I hope they have to adjust to us" line, which Lanning essentially copied this year. Just got to actually back those up, and it didn't happen.

Also, people like to mock that comment like he was being brash about it.  He was simply responding to the question "what do you have to do to adjust to the B1G?"  Yeah, he probably wishes he hadn't said that.  But he just turned the question around to answer it.

 

[Mavric]

I have no problem with the comment. 
 

At that point, he had been buried on the depth chart at one school. Nobody had a clue he was going to be as good as he was. 
 

And, at LSU, he was aided big time by the guys around him with the O line and receivers. He wouldn’t have had that at Nebraska. 

Not to mention that Burrow was even fairly pedestrian (by his standards now) his first year at LSU.  57.4% completions, 2500 yards, 12 TDs, 4 INTs, sacked 33 times.  Even with Justin Jefferson and Ja'Marr Chase to throw to.  Martinez outplayed him that year: 64.6% completions, 2617 yards, 17 TDs, 8 INTs, sacked 23 times.  And Martinez ran for nearly twice as many yards and more TDs.

But LSU figured something out the next year.

 

[whateveritis1224]

Not to mention that Burrow was even fairly pedestrian (by his standards now) his first year at LSU.  57.4% completions, 2500 yards, 12 TDs, 4 INTs, sacked 33 times.  Even with Justin Jefferson and Ja'Marr Chase to throw to.  Martinez outplayed him that year: 64.6% completions, 2617 yards, 17 TDs, 8 INTs, sacked 23 times.  And Martinez ran for nearly twice as many yards and more TDs.

But LSU figured something out the next year.

Burrow got lit up in the bowl game against UCF that unlocked the depth of his powers. From that point on in college, he was lights out.

 

[Vince R.]

I find that notion so intriguing.  How many guys could have been great college players and made the NFL with a different situation? How many do make it just because they found the perfect spot? Interesting.

I think Bryce Benhart and Turner Corcoran would have been in the league already had this current staff gotten them as freshman and not Scott. Both regressed horribly as the years went by and it was because of the coaching/philosophy and horrible S&C. 

 

[Mavric]

Sean Callahan's response to a question in their chat today:

I always find it interesting people think Frost just hammered beers. Anyone that knows him well and was around him will tell you that could not be further from the truth. Did he like to golf, fish and hunt? Sure. Did he have a beer sometimes? Sure. But it's really sickening the character assassination people have done to him. He didn't win football games here, and everyone was disappointed about it. But it really has not been right so many people continue to attack his character when they have no first hand evidence or knowledge of any of this, especially in the era of camera phones. He was one of the most private people I've ever been around at Nebraska, which makes it even more odd so many people speak so authoritatively about his personal life.

 

[admo]

Since Scott Frost got re-hired by UCF does this mean an end to his downfall days at NU?  Pretty impressive to get another HC job so quickly.  I think a few other teams were interested in him as well.  

 

[Hooked on Huskers]