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Isn't he kinda notorious for NOT showing excitement?

 

Dude has never looked happy in any clip I've seen.

 

 

 

He's thrilled.

 

I think we will come away from this game wondering what might have been if ryker had played a lot more this year.

 

 

https://twitter.com/Deommo_Lenoir/status/813984048884301825

 

SMH. i really would look elsewhere rather than depend on this guy.

Because he's announcing on signing day. Wow. Ok

 

no. There is a track record here. i'll leave it at that.

SMH. i really would look elsewhere rather than depend on this guy.

 

He only had to get a 2.0 right? Inexcusable. I can't quite understand how the athletic dept. didn't know. I thought they got routine updates on attendance and grades.

they knew, they just can't do much about it if Gerry doesn't want to do the work.

 

They can do A LOT if gerry decided he doesn't want to do the work. there's long benches with several seats for a reason. they could say,"gerry, why don't you go ahead and have a seat on this here bench. or several seats. whichever you'd like."

frankly, i hope this senior class is the last that riley allows to get away with as much as they have gotten away with. otherwise, its a recipe for disaster.

 

i don't now... this guy seems to love attention. i'm not all in on him.

 

 

God forbid high school kids that are worshipped like local gods enjoy the attention.

 

his is on a different level.

i don't now... this guy seems to love attention. i'm not all in on him.

In my opinion.

Our schedule in 2018 is brutal, to say the least. in fact, with our current trends, if we do not improve drastically from a talent and technique standpoint, that season can EASILY see 5 or more losses. so i think that's why Riley made the immediate firing and hiring, because if we want to compete at an acceptable level in 2018, we will need a stacked roster NOW. next year won't cut it, because our roster and incoming talent now is what we will use to compete with OSU and michigan. it will simply be too close to 2018 to do good work. as it is, the talent is good, but maybe not at the level to get a good season out of 2018 or even a really great season out of 2017.

2017:

 

 

And let's be honest here, we need mobile O-Linemen to help alleviate opponents putting eight (or nine, on occasion w/Purdue) in the box to stop our running game. Stretch/boundary plays and screens are hard to pull off with an O-Line with bum wheels.

 

If anything, our staff needs to seriously rethink their philosophy of not subbing O-Linemen during the game--let our kids with bum wheels start, but spell them with the young'uns. Part of our injury problems, IMO, are borne from this.

 

yep. anytime this question of personnel gets brought up, some of the staff really seem to get defensive. i don't understand why. see langsdorf above, and regarding wilbon last year, among others. see cavanaugh last year regarding oline rotation. i think substitution is very important, even if just for a play or 2. but it's the staff's call.

 

However, its fairly simple, imo. if you are needing two years plus to get a scholarship player ready to hold his own or spell a starter in the big ten against purdue, you are doing it wrong.

 

 

That just shows how little you know about offensive linemen. They don't develop at the same rate. Nick Gates is the exception to the rule not the norm. In the glory years of the nineties most of those guys were only 2 year starters. Wiegert started 3 years, Stai, Rob Z. were 2 year starters. Graham was a 2 year starter. Wilks started 1 year.

 

The formula at NU for linemen was always come in RS, be a back up to a back up as a RS frosh. Be a back up as a Soph and maybe start as a Jr. You want RS Freshman to come in a be great and that was very rarely the case at Nebraska back when Uncle Milt coach the boys.

 

i'm not claiming to know it all. i'm not talking about starters, but about the ability to safely backup and spell the starters against purdue. even if the 90s guys were only 1 year starters, i'm pretty sure the redshirt freshmen could play, especially when you consider that purdue's defensive linemen got into our backfield multiple times untouched. 3 of the OL could not move laterally to scoop or chip at all. are you really telling me that the lateral movement of our 4 star redshirt freshmen is currently worse than what we saw on saturday?

again, if so, i may not know the best way to do it, but we are definitely doing it wrong.

And let's be honest here, we need mobile O-Linemen to help alleviate opponents putting eight (or nine, on occasion w/Purdue) in the box to stop our running game. Stretch/boundary plays and screens are hard to pull off with an O-Line with bum wheels.

 

If anything, our staff needs to seriously rethink their philosophy of not subbing O-Linemen during the game--let our kids with bum wheels start, but spell them with the young'uns. Part of our injury problems, IMO, are borne from this.

yep. anytime this question of personnel gets brought up, some of the staff really seem to get defensive. i don't understand why. see langsdorf above, and regarding wilbon last year, among others. see cavanaugh last year regarding oline rotation. i think substitution is very important, even if just for a play or 2. but it's the staff's call.

However, its fairly simple, imo. if you are needing two years plus to get a scholarship player ready to hold his own or spell a starter in the big ten against purdue, you are doing it wrong.

Now I fully support MRI, but this, I didn't like. Ameer and VV tweeting out what they did, is almost as damaging as daub's statements. Ameer basically just paints the entire state as being inflammatory towards the players, which is not remotely true.

I love ameer, but some of his comments on nebraska admin and fans really make him sound like there's a lot of unresolved animosity for the program and its fans. some of it may be warranted, but still. it's like any opportunity he gets, it's like, "Nebraska is just terrible, man".

i suppose it's really convenient to discuss the acts, not the main issue, isn't it? and when that is played out and defeated, find a way to shift the goal posts...

score!!!

And before anyone goes off the deep end, I have zero issues with the players protesting. It's an extremely complex issue that requires incredible empathy, understanding, and nuance. I wish it was as simple as just saying "be excellent to each other" but alas, it's not.

funny part of it is those three things are required on BOTH sides, and MRI has alluded to that time and time again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe it's the people who are pissed off because of the protest that need to reassess their feelings and actions.

What actions do we need to reassess? We believe that protesting during the anthem is bad, and that there are certainly better alternatives that inconvenience less of the population. That is that.

 

That part of the statement is interesting.

 

How did their protest inconvenience anyone? Maybe the question should be.....how did their protest inconvenience you personally?

 

How have multiple instances of people killing, attacking, threatening and/or not complying with police officers impacted MRI personally?

 

If you feel like your culture is being destroyed in front of you eyes. The questions should be the same.

 

 

To the second statement - 3 people out of ~90k kneeling for the national anthem in silent prayer is how you define "culture destruction"? Even if that was 3 out of ~150 people on sidelines, that's a pretty excessive response. I would ask you to maybe re-evaluate if this is reasonable if I could...

 

The first statement has been pretty well covered in this thread but sounds like you refuse to accept the answers.

 

If you think this is over and is going to stop with 3 people at Memorial Stadium, you're kidding yourself. The precedent has been set and if you don't agree with it you're filled with hate and/or a racist.

 

 

It continuing to spread is not "culture destruction". Protests during the USA National Anthem are nothing new. They've been around for at least 50 years. It is asinine you think what these players did is more disrespectful than all the people talking, texting, not removing their caps, etc. But yet these football players kneeling in silent prayer during the anthem is destroying your culture.

 

Do you and David Duke share the same culture & cultural values? Serious question since you are throwing out the hate & racist cards...

 

EDIT: Your post is meant as a joke, yes?

 

Why is not ok for people to find MRI's actions disrespectful?

 

You don't have to agree that they are disrespectful, but surely you'd agree that it ok for someone to feel that way?

 

It's ok to find an act disrespectful. like you say, we don't have to agree there.

It's NOT ok to make it all about the actual act and ignore or focus less on the intent and reasons behind the act.

if someone does something disrespectful, like cut you off while driving with malice, that is probably a disrespectful act, at least for most people. but when you find out that person cut you off because there was an emergency vehicle on the way, or he was trying to make an evasive maneuver, at that point, the focus should shift from the cutting off to the actual reason why. continuing to dwell on the cutting off is kinda silly at that point, ESPECIALLY if the driver makes it clear (s)he wasn't trying to cut you off.

of course, all bets are off when the driver cuts you off for no reason, and doesn't even care that you were there to begin with.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about institutional racism vs. structural racism. There seems to be an argument that protesting during the anthem is not proper because the US Government (for which it's being assumed the flag is a symbol) is not enacting racist practices. While the government isn't taking part in any overt institutional racism (a.k.a. segregation laws) there is a case, as Landlord points out, that the government has taken part in structural racism, which is where a policy by a governing body substantially effects one group over another.

 

Another example of this would be the Vietnam War draft boards, which were preferential to educated, wealthy (almost solely white) young men, while those without an opportunity of an education were drafted first. The government wasn't saying "Let's send the poor black kids first" (which would've been institutional racism) but what their policy ended up doing was sending the poor black kids to war first.

 

I would also like to make the admission that I judge people by their appearances all the time. I try not to let a stranger's race, their clothing, their socioeconomic status, effect how I treat them or think of them, but I would be lying if I said that this didn't effect my thinking. (The goal is to recognize these biases so one can consciously not act on them.) I'd venture to say that anyone who says this is not the case for themselves is naive, and being indignant about the idea that minorities do not suffer as a result of that judgement seems to be where a lot of backlash from this protest is coming from.

 

I just don't think saying "I'm not racist and none of my friends are racist and the government isn't doing anything racist, also these kids are overreacting" is not made better if you add "...but yeah, racism is a thing. I hope it goes away some day tho."

well said. if you think about how that draft board issue most likely would have seemed good at first, and people only saw its effects thereafter, it should make you wonder how many more laws, policies, and customs exist today with the same repercussions and "unintended" consequences.

That's part of what's being protested.

I have a feeling that some (not all) supporters think everybody who is against anthem protests, BLM, etc. are racist. You can want diversity while not supporting people who take a knee for the anthem. I do not think Gov. Ricketts' statement is racist at all. He is both right and wrong, but I will address that later in a post that I do not feel like making right at this instant.

 

EDIT: Before I get nasty replies, I agree that racism exists and it is a problem. I am saying that not every stance against it is racist.

i don't think that people are thinking they are racist. uninformed or misinformed is probably a better word, and that's not intended to be disrespectful. and thats the reason for the protests: to inform people of the issues in those areas and catalyze change.

obviously there will be people from both sides that are extreme, just as there are truly racist and bigoted republicans and democrats alike.

 

Moving forward, I'd love it if the whole team and staff would, once and for all, take a knee with MRI this week. This could be done with a couple sentences of explanation on the PA system. And at the same time the staff would release a more detailed Twitter statement explaining our position—explaining that the gesture is made in the hopes of improving race relations in America, and is no way intended to be disrespectful towards the police or our country.

Star Spangled Banner is played before the teams take the field at Memorial Stadium.

 

with what daub said and governor ricketts, the only way to prevent damage to recruiting and the image of Nebraska nationwide is for an overwhelming majority of the fans in the stands to take a knee during the anthem.

we actually should keep from derailing this thread, and keep to topic, which is posting things that show that there is systematic racism.

others can hep by stating clearly what they think would help show them that there is systematic racism. then the conversation can probably be more productive.

What percentage of beating victims during civil unrest are white, anybody know? Because that might point to racism.

 

A young black male is 60 times more likely to be killed by another young black male than by a police officer of any color...does that mean anything, or is that just the people that they hang around with 60 times more?

would you like to start with the percentages of black and white lynching victims during the civil rights era? or would you like to go with the percentage of white victims in the tulsa race riots?

on the second thing: of course it means something. just because you don't see protests for them doesn't mean they aren't happening. also, being 60 times more likely to be killed doesn't mean you are "60 times more likely to hang around other black people". its one thing to be killed by someone next to you, (which, funny enough, is a requirement for being killed by someone... how ironic, rght?), and it's another to be killed by those sworn to serve and protect you.

84% of white murder victims were killed by other whites. does that also mean something?

i really appreciate this thread, and was about to open one like this myself. please watch the youtube video at the link below. i'm not sure how to embed yet.

 

 

Maybe Rose-Ivey should just stick to football while he is in a Cornhusker uniform.

 

I also find it ironic that he was all for free speech and making a statement about what he thinks needs to be said until his Twitter account blew up. Then he thinks everybody else should be careful not to offend his mother...yet how many mothers and fathers and family members of others did he offend who were up in the stands?

 

Still and all, not a big thing, just dumb. I guess Rose-Ivey came to Nebraska for an education. He's getting one now.

Your comments in this thread are among the most ignorant I've seen on the internet lately.

 

There is a historical precedent for black athletes protesting the National Anthem. In my view kneeling quietly or some other form of silent protest is not at all disrespectful. Far too much is being made of this. Is it that surprising given our country's history and the present state of affairs that for some black Americans...and athletes...their feelings about the flag, national anthem, and other symbols of what the country stands for are complicated?

 

"There I was, the black grandson of a slave, the son of a black sharecropper, part of a historic occasion, a symbolic hero to my people. The air was sparkling. The sunlight was warm. The band struck up the national anthem. The flag billowed in the wind. It should have been a glorious moment for me as the stirring words of the national anthem poured from the stands. Perhaps, it was, but then again, perhaps, the anthem could be called the theme song for a drama called The Noble Experiment. Today, as I look back on that opening game of my first world series, I must tell you that it was Mr. Rickey's drama and that I was only a principal actor. As I write this twenty years later, I cannot stand and sing the anthem. I cannot salute the flag; I know that I am a black man in a white world. In 1972, in 1947, at my birth in 1919, I know that I never had it made."

 

-Jackie Robinson, "I Never Had It Made," 1972

 

The bold is your opinion. In my opinion, it is very disrespectful. You stand to pay your respect to the men, women & their families that that have sacrificed for your rights to have your opinion & openly express them. I have no problem with Rose-Ivey being displeased with current events. He has that right weather I or anyone else agrees with him. My problem is with the way that it is being expressed. My brother in-law lost his only sibling fighting for this country. His brother's only child was born only hours after he had died. Let that really set in. This is only one story. I'm sure many others have their own stories about the loss of a loved one who was fighting for this country & your rights. This is why I stand & find it disrespectful to see others take it so lightly or bend it to fit their personal agenda.

 

what about those military men, women, and family members who fully support what those players did?

(they are more than a few, by the way)

 

He feels strongly enough to use his position as a college athlete on a popular football team

 

Why don't he use his position as a college athlete to play football and leave the politics to the politicians?

 

because trying to start a conversation to create solutions for some of the injustices going on in society in spite of the backlash is not politics. that's bravery.

and the fact that he knew the backlash was coming from certain quarters doesn't make it hurt any less.

 

I was as upset as anyone over this when Kaepernick did it. But as time has passed and more ive let it go. It is what it is. First off. Its a right to do it. I honor that right. Even though i dont agree with it. Yes. I wish theyd pick a different platform but its their right nonetheless. 2nd. My perspective is that its already beckme so watered down and " the norm" that soonno kne willnotice anyway. Its like thousands rushing to social media to provide worthless prayers after a tragedy that dont accomplish a damn thing but try to get a little attn. this "movement" is not gonna change anything. And sadly, since there are idiots on the other extreme, its poiring fuel on the fire. Poking the bear. Not that thats their intention. But i see how some are seeing it that way. Me? It is what it is. I can think of 6000 more important things to get worked up over than some guys standing "kneeling" for what they believe in.

+1. So they kneel. Now what? Kinda like occupy wall streeet.

 

Now, you get to ask yourself: "how can i, as an american, help stop systematic racism and profiling? can i admit to myself that it does exist? If i'm not willing or i don't care, why not?"

Since these three young men were in Chicago, they should have jumped on the L train and went down south to Cicero Avenue and commune with some others who share the same mindset...

 

...just as long as they don't wear any Husker red...or any red at all...or any blue. Because the reality that exists outside of kneeling during a football game is that a young black man is 60 times more likely to be killed by someone who looks like himself than he is being killed by a cop. In Chicago, that "60 times more likely" is raised exponentially to be in the thousands.

 

So after they spend a week in Fuller Park, all three guys can come back and give a report. Nothing like real world, eye witness experience to go with "Monkey see, monkey do", social justice theory. Maybe next game these three can lie face down on the 50 yard line to commemorate every young black man murdered by another young black man because of gangs or drugs..

"communing" with those people does nothing to help the problem. just creates more kumbaya moments among themselves. only a national acknowledgement of the root causes, coupled with strong action towards reversing some of them will stop it. protesting like this brings everyone's attention to it, which is a great first step towards a solution.

 

Systematic racism is a real thing and it needs to stop.

 

Drug and gang wars are a real thing and they need to stop. I didn't grow up here in the relatively safe and tranquil confines of Nebraska, the Good Life State.

 

There was a reason that my entire family moved here one by one out of Illinois, (nine in all) and it wasn't because it's easier to find Husker apparel. I guess some things people can't understand until they experience them, so I'll just chalk this kneeling up as a Hollywood type fad.

 

I still live in here, and the concepts of Drug and Gang wars and systematic racism are not unrelated. stopping one is not mutually exclusive to stopping the other. having to leave due to drug/gang violence does not make it go away, and it certainly doesn't mean systematic racism and profiling are minor issues.

 

 

JP makes an indirect but obvious dig at the DL (not just KW), attacking their manhood, heart and calling them pretenders.

 

I don't think that warranted a respectful response, regardless of whether he's an elder.

 

The better course would have been for all of them to stay off of Twitter.

 

it didn't warrant a response AT ALL...

I know you have your "party line" you have to follow, but be objective at least once in a while.

 

and by the way, it was not directed at KW or "at the DL". just those who would quit on their teammates.

 

 

 

Did you read my post?

 

I specifically said that they should have all stayed off twitter.

 

Even when I agree with you, you pick a fight.

 

 

As to your last line, that makes zero sense.

 

 

Or was JP just randomly musing and his comments happened to seem pointed at KW and other DLmen who have left the program? Is that what you're going with?

 

no. we don't agree even there. staying off twitter is not really a solution to people having poor mentalities. would the foot in mouth disease be a little more palatable if KW posted on instagram instead? would it be better if he was saying it to other current players?

if the last statement makes zero sense to you, then that explains a lot.

i'm done here.