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Since some of us aren't at your level - can you tell us your point?

 

lol, someone is a bit touchy when others don't agree with him. You didn't quote anyone with this post, but I assume you are talking to me.

 

If you can't handle viewpoints that are not 100% glowing of Tim Miles maybe you shouldn't post... just a thought. I have not gone after anyone elses viewpoint with the same attitude others on here are doing. I disagree and explain why, instead of snarky crap.

 

Anyway, I clearly explained what I meant in post 43. I'm sorry you would rather continue this silliness instead of just reading what has been said so far.

 

I have make no excuses for how Tim has performed up to this point.. it hasn't been good and has been on-par with how he has done at other schools (over his coaching career at each school, not just cheery picking a year here and there).

 

 

My post was in regards to the bold portion of that post: "You are the one who misunderstood my original post!"

 

I took the conversation as there being a misunderstanding and I was simply asking what the "original post" was - if it came across as ​snarky that wasn't the intentions (just a simple recap in different words so all could understand and relief the confusion between the two of you.

 

There was nothing in my post that said I disagree - on this topic, I have stated the point several times that it is odd that Miles hasn't done better at the big man position. I have also listed some reasons why I think this may be happening, but again on more than one occasion I have mentioned that it is odd that he has failed there.

 

Didn't think I needed to hit the quote button since I was replying to the most recent post - most times I save the quote button for when i'm catching up and replying to something that is further up the line.

 

Not sure how you can say that Miles track record at other schools hasn't been good. He has taken each program from the dumpster to making them respectable. He is now at a team that has 0 victories in the NCAA tournament and seems to be putting BETTER pieces together then any coach before him (minus the big man). Pretty sure everybody on this board agrees that he isn't going to have much success in the Big Ten if his best big player is under 6 9 or 225 pounds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, I didn't miss the point, and we hashed this out above! See post #43!

 

 

You are the one who misunderstood my original post!

 

 

 

Hey, if you won't stand behind what you posted then that is on you. Also, if you don't disagree then why are you wanting to argue about it?

 

 

Since some of us aren't at your level

 

you can claim that isn't snarky all you want, but it is.

 

Lets discuss this part of your post..

 

 

He has taken each program from the dumpster to making them respectable.

 

 

Trust me, I have gone over every team he coached and I have also checked out what they have done since he left. There is a reason why Miles is < .600 as a coach at every school.

 

So, which school would you like to talk about? I believe it was his first school, but one of them I can't go back to check out because records don't go back far enough.

 

EDIT: CSU - his first year he was 7-25, the year before he got there they were 17-13 the year before that they were 18-15, the year before that 11-17 and the year before that.. 13-16, not a dumpster fire but not great. Tim had 1 year that was considerable better that their previous records.

 

he left after that one good year, and the very next year they were right back to the same. One good year

 

North Dakota State - I can't go back far enough on this one.. The very next year after he left they were 15-30, that could be because of Tim leaving or it could be because he had a senior laden team, I believe that latter! year two after he left 16-28, year three after Tim left 22-30.

 

If he made them respectable then why did they return back to their previous records the very first year after he left, that tends to mean a senior laden team.

 

 

This already ruins your "made every school respectable" statement.

 

EDIT # 2 - SW Minnesota State - This team was not good for a number of years BUT two years before Tim got there they were 18-9 then next year 13-14. Tim put up back to back 16-11 years, then 18-10 and after his very good year they put up another good year, then started back down. What would have happen if he had stayed.. not sure and can't be debated. This was a decent job, but we don't know if it was because of Tim's coaching or just a good job of recruiting.

 

Back to my point no where in that post of 8-10 words did I disagree. I asked for clarification, obviously not in the best manner - according to you (which is fine).

 

You follow with about 150 words going in 6 directions. When a coach leaves there are many factors about why a record can go down or stay the same or improve. Not going to get into that because the discussion wasn't directed there and I can see that we don't see this similarly.

 

 

 

6 directions? Just the direction you took it with your last post and it was a direct response to your post about how great Tim has done. I understand if you didn't really intend to debate how good/bad he has done, but don't try to down play it now. if you actually read what I said, I said it could be because of Tim or another reason, I said I believe the latter.

 

Why would you complain about how many words I used when in this quote of yours it was longer one, too? just trying to find something to fling crap at, hoping it sticks?

 

 

My post was in regards to the bold portion of that post: "You are the one who misunderstood my original post!"

 

I took the conversation as there being a misunderstanding and I was simply asking what the "original post" was - if it came across as ​snarky that wasn't the intentions (just a simple recap in different words so all could understand and relief the confusion between the two of you.

 

There was nothing in my post that said I disagree - on this topic, I have stated the point several times that it is odd that Miles hasn't done better at the big man position. I have also listed some reasons why I think this may be happening, but again on more than one occasion I have mentioned that it is odd that he has failed there.

 

Didn't think I needed to hit the quote button since I was replying to the most recent post - most times I save the quote button for when i'm catching up and replying to something that is further up the line.

 

Not sure how you can say that Miles track record at other schools hasn't been good. He has taken each program from the dumpster to making them respectable. He is now at a team that has 0 victories in the NCAA tournament and seems to be putting BETTER pieces together then any coach before him (minus the big man). Pretty sure everybody on this board agrees that he isn't going to have much success in the Big Ten if his best big player is under 6 9 or 225 pounds.

 

 

 

see bold.. one direction! You brought it up, not me.. You continued with this nonsense about my original post, and it has backfired.

 

Can we be done now?

 

Mine was a simple question taken to the extreme by you and i'm done!!!!

 

 

 

We had three draft pics on the lines. Another few who will get looks in free agency. We have a ton of pure talent across the skill positions.It's amazing to me that people act as though this staff walked into a rebuilding job.10 wins this year is more than a reasonable expectation. It should have been obtained last year.Less than 8 wins, and I care if we give this staff the mid 90s cowboys roster; it will be clear that they aren't the answer. I would just be shocked if this team doesn't win at least 8 next year.

Lmao, he is at +4 for this post.This staff did walk into a rebuild. The cupboard was far from bare, but none of the ingredients made a pot roast anybody wanted to eat.

This is a truth some folks just don't want to hear.

What truth?

That we had good ingredients, but they weren't used properly?

Then I guess we can expect leftovers again this year too, because the new chef is still using the same cookbook.

But hey, at least we get ice cream for dessert. Yay!

 

Over under on you using the ice cream deal - 8. Seems like it might be time to come with something new.

 

 

 

We had three draft pics on the lines. Another few who will get looks in free agency. We have a ton of pure talent across the skill positions.

It's amazing to me that people act as though this staff walked into a rebuilding job.

10 wins this year is more than a reasonable expectation. It should have been obtained last year.

Less than 8 wins, and I care if we give this staff the mid 90s cowboys roster; it will be clear that they aren't the answer. I would just be shocked if this team doesn't win at least 8 next year.

Lmao, he is at +4 for this post.

This staff did walk into a rebuild. The cupboard was far from bare, but none of the ingredients made a pot roast anybody wanted to eat.

 

 

This is true, but at the end of the day, only Miami, MSU and UCLA had more talent on their rosters than us.

 

We went 6-7. We were 1 play away from being 5-7, and we were 5 plays away from being 11-2. It's my opinion that sometimes you just get plain unlucky, but also that we shouldn't have been in position for at least a few of those 5 unlucky plays to have ever happened.

We had/have plenty of talent.

 

Under Bo, that talent was used to the best of his abilities. Capable of more just mixed averagely and lacked when needed the most.

 

Under Riley, what he was left with was still plenty talented. But a lot of the best players were expected to stand alone when they clearly needed help from another position.

 

So the whole "jump down peoples throats for saying we didn't have enough talent" BS is nothing more than a cop out. We had/have talent, but we didn't have enough across the board to make the season we wanted. And we caught a ton of bad breaks.

 

Well put!!! It would be nice to see a three year trend - before either "side" declares themselves correct. 3 years with no blowouts and a solid win loss record would be nice - 3 years with records around .500 -.600 not so nice.

 

We had three draft pics on the lines. Another few who will get looks in free agency. We have a ton of pure talent across the skill positions.

 

It's amazing to me that people act as though this staff walked into a rebuilding job.

 

10 wins this year is more than a reasonable expectation. It should have been obtained last year.

 

Less than 8 wins, and I care if we give this staff the mid 90s cowboys roster; it will be clear that they aren't the answer. I would just be shocked if this team doesn't win at least 8 next year.

And our great LB depth that was inherited and how similar our previous staff and this staffs personalities are as well as the schemes both run. Man, we should have won the title last year with our loaded roster

 

Come on you are overstating what he said....by my math a ton of players would be about 8 players / that can't be considered "loaded"

I think a lot of people think that POB is a better passer than Tommy but unfortunately it's not true. As much as you want it at this moment Tommy is a much better not just runner but passer of the the ball than POB. Granted POB may and hopefully will be better than Tommy in the future years.

how did you come to this conclusion about passing?

 

 

 

 

Part of me feels like that if POB doesn't play this year, he could miss his chance at starting. If he red shirts this year and loses the battle next year to Lee the best he can hope for is being back up.

 

Then, in 2018, he could again be backup to Lee if he's granted another year of eligibility. If Lee is done, by that time maybe Gebbia breaks out and takes the job forcing POB to backup duty again.

 

That's why I think burning the redshirt to groom him a bit in a real game atmosphere would do wonders. I think the reason he looked so bad in the spring game was due to atmosphere jitters. With the influx of recruiting the QB position it wouldn't hurt long term.

That's the beauty of having quality talent on the roster. I hope POB is the next coming and leads us to glory; however, I also hope that's the case for Gebbia and/or Lee, or even Mr. Bush. In a perfect world, we recruit a QB at the level of POB and Gebbia every year and the best man wins, period.

Yup. Although at the same time somehow keep all of them from transferring the second they don't get the starting job.

Probably my biggest concern about POB

 

Transfers happen and will always happen. The best way to prevent being up transfer creek without a paddle is continuing to recruit solid classes, year in and year out. It's too early to tell if Riley will be able to do that, but at QB, we are off to a good start.

 

As for 2016, I just don't think there is an serviceable plan that gets POB meaningful reps without causing serious friction with Tommy and the other seniors/team. If roles were flipped, you could design wildcat-esque packages for a mobile QB, but we are the polar opposite of that currently. The arrangement would be awkward from the start and reek of nepotism.

 

agree with the team aspect.

Also if we used a game plan of keeping the ball on the ground and running clock and then got up by 14/21 points it wouldn't make a lot of sense to go the pass direction with the chance of stopping the clock.

 

seems to be putting BETTER pieces together then any coach before him (minus the big man).

I'm not sure how old you are so maybe you don't remember but Danny Nee did a better job. It's no contest..............yet.

 

I sat in the Devaney many times and watched Danny Nee coach.

By pieces I meant players. Since most of Miles players are young I can only go on rankings because most players show their true colors as upperclassmen (which Miles highly rated players are not yet sniffing their junior year.

Danny coached many good players however never many at the same time. so based on this you are right it is no contest Miles > Nee. Now if you were thinking "pieces" lead to records - Danny has had better success there.

I know we are missing a big man - however I believe Miles had 4/5 top 150 players on this roster and will have 5/6 next year. Please give me an example were Danny was even close to this. He also had the luxury of having some in state talent during those years that helped out.

Hope you had fun playing with the font and bold there!!! - not sure what that was about.

 

 

 

Since some of us aren't at your level - can you tell us your point?

 

lol, someone is a bit touchy when others don't agree with him. You didn't quote anyone with this post, but I assume you are talking to me.

 

If you can't handle viewpoints that are not 100% glowing of Tim Miles maybe you shouldn't post... just a thought. I have not gone after anyone elses viewpoint with the same attitude others on here are doing. I disagree and explain why, instead of snarky crap.

 

Anyway, I clearly explained what I meant in post 43. I'm sorry you would rather continue this silliness instead of just reading what has been said so far.

 

I have make no excuses for how Tim has performed up to this point.. it hasn't been good and has been on-par with how he has done at other schools (over his coaching career at each school, not just cheery picking a year here and there).

 

 

My post was in regards to the bold portion of that post: "You are the one who misunderstood my original post!"

 

I took the conversation as there being a misunderstanding and I was simply asking what the "original post" was - if it came across as ​snarky that wasn't the intentions (just a simple recap in different words so all could understand and relief the confusion between the two of you.

 

There was nothing in my post that said I disagree - on this topic, I have stated the point several times that it is odd that Miles hasn't done better at the big man position. I have also listed some reasons why I think this may be happening, but again on more than one occasion I have mentioned that it is odd that he has failed there.

 

Didn't think I needed to hit the quote button since I was replying to the most recent post - most times I save the quote button for when i'm catching up and replying to something that is further up the line.

 

Not sure how you can say that Miles track record at other schools hasn't been good. He has taken each program from the dumpster to making them respectable. He is now at a team that has 0 victories in the NCAA tournament and seems to be putting BETTER pieces together then any coach before him (minus the big man). Pretty sure everybody on this board agrees that he isn't going to have much success in the Big Ten if his best big player is under 6 9 or 225 pounds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, I didn't miss the point, and we hashed this out above! See post #43!

 

 

You are the one who misunderstood my original post!

 

 

 

Hey, if you won't stand behind what you posted then that is on you. Also, if you don't disagree then why are you wanting to argue about it?

 

 

Since some of us aren't at your level

 

you can claim that isn't snarky all you want, but it is.

 

Lets discuss this part of your post..

 

 

He has taken each program from the dumpster to making them respectable.

 

 

Trust me, I have gone over every team he coached and I have also checked out what they have done since he left. There is a reason why Miles is < .600 as a coach at every school.

 

So, which school would you like to talk about? I believe it was his first school, but one of them I can't go back to check out because records don't go back far enough.

 

EDIT: CSU - his first year he was 7-25, the year before he got there they were 17-13 the year before that they were 18-15, the year before that 11-17 and the year before that.. 13-16, not a dumpster fire but not great. Tim had 1 year that was considerable better that their previous records.

 

he left after that one good year, and the very next year they were right back to the same. One good year

 

North Dakota State - I can't go back far enough on this one.. The very next year after he left they were 15-30, that could be because of Tim leaving or it could be because he had a senior laden team, I believe that latter! year two after he left 16-28, year three after Tim left 22-30.

 

If he made them respectable then why did they return back to their previous records the very first year after he left, that tends to mean a senior laden team.

 

 

This already ruins your "made every school respectable" statement.

 

EDIT # 2 - SW Minnesota State - This team was not good for a number of years BUT two years before Tim got there they were 18-9 then next year 13-14. Tim put up back to back 16-11 years, then 18-10 and after his very good year they put up another good year, then started back down. What would have happen if he had stayed.. not sure and can't be debated. This was a decent job, but we don't know if it was because of Tim's coaching or just a good job of recruiting.

 

Back to my point no where in that post of 8-10 words did I disagree. I asked for clarification, obviously not in the best manner - according to you (which is fine).

You follow with about 150 words going in 6 directions. When a coach leaves there are many factors about why a record can go down or stay the same or improve. Not going to get into that because the discussion wasn't directed there and I can see that we don't see this similarly.

 

Since some of us aren't at your level - can you tell us your point?

 

lol, someone is a bit touchy when others don't agree with him. You didn't quote anyone with this post, but I assume you are talking to me.

 

If you can't handle viewpoints that are not 100% glowing of Tim Miles maybe you shouldn't post... just a thought. I have not gone after anyone elses viewpoint with the same attitude others on here are doing. I disagree and explain why, instead of snarky crap.

 

Anyway, I clearly explained what I meant in post 43. I'm sorry you would rather continue this silliness instead of just reading what has been said so far.

 

I have make no excuses for how Tim has performed up to this point.. it hasn't been good and has been on-par with how he has done at other schools (over his coaching career at each school, not just cheery picking a year here and there).

 

My post was in regards to the bold portion of that post: "You are the one who misunderstood my original post!"

I took the conversation as there being a misunderstanding and I was simply asking what the "original post" was - if it came across as ​snarky that wasn't the intentions (just a simple recap in different words so all could understand and relief the confusion between the two of you.

There was nothing in my post that said I disagree - on this topic, I have stated the point several times that it is odd that Miles hasn't done better at the big man position. I have also listed some reasons why I think this may be happening, but again on more than one occasion I have mentioned that it is odd that he has failed there.

Didn't think I needed to hit the quote button since I was replying to the most recent post - most times I save the quote button for when i'm catching up and replying to something that is further up the line.

Not sure how you can say that Miles track record at other schools hasn't been good. He has taken each program from the dumpster to making them respectable. He is now at a team that has 0 victories in the NCAA tournament and seems to be putting BETTER pieces together then any coach before him (minus the big man). Pretty sure everybody on this board agrees that he isn't going to have much success in the Big Ten if his best big player is under 6 9 or 225 pounds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, I didn't miss the point, and we hashed this out above! See post #43!

 

 

You are the one who misunderstood my original post!

Not a bad first team!!!!

Since some of us aren't at your level - can you tell us your point?

Agree and believe Miles has seen the same and understands that a second tier big man will be effective here, hence the relationship being built with Jordy and other future options over the next couple years.

POB and the staff need to determine which option will help him develop better for the 2017 season.

Our depth in 2020 > 2016 (thinking POB would be focusing on becoming the early starter over what he can do with an extra year - 4 years from now)

Yes, he probably has come to the conclusion that he is not going to get a big man that is ranked in the top 50, however he won't just take the first 6 10 guy that walks in the door. Not sure where the ? came from.

Just an observation - can't ignore everything, however with you I try!!!

Sorry VV we will get back on topic!!!

 

From NFL.com

 

 

Despite the drop in NFL teams looking for true fullbacks, Janovich earned an invitation to the NFL Scouting Combine, due to his special teams process (13 tackles in 2015).

Hey everybody. It's common courtesy when having a discussion (whether on football or otherwise) to post an actual quote when you call it an actual quote. It's not a quote if you edit the "quote" to make it say something different. For example, here is the real quote that darkhorse edited:

 

 

He had his most prolific season as a senior, running the ball 42 times for 265 yards and three scores and catching two passes for 58 yards. Despite the drop in NFL teams looking for true fullbacks, Janovich earned an invitation to the NFL Scouting Combine, possibly due to his special teams process (13 tackles in 2015).

One could argue that the fact it's on NFL.com makes it a good enough argument that it was due to ST. You maybe didn't even need to delete the "possibly" from it. It's still a lame move though.

 

Also, teacher you're once again stretching things way beyond what anyone said. I don't think I said Bo getting fired is why Jano got into the NFL. W/o looking I believe I said Jano got drafted because of the change in offensive style. I don't see why this comment is so controversial or hard to believe.

 

Yeah but everybody knows that the most important part of any group of text is the last thing said.....

I would love to see the explosion on this site if 6 of our top 47 scholarships went to special teams players (kickers/punters)

Pretty sure that you could read the first part of that statement as EACH game currently - the second half shows how long the sellouts have been going on. It would look a little strange for them to have fine print stating every time that there was an expansion.

Looks like you have talked about every draft pick for the cowboys except the one that this thread is about...do you have an opinion on Collins?

He has consistently recruited them since he has gotten here - showing that he feels that we need one to win. He was close a couple of times early and unfortunately i think that caused him to set the level too high. I like that he won't settle for anybody - I also think he has dropped his expectation level slightly from trying to get a top tier player. This should lead to NU grabbing a solid big for each of the next couple years while still trying to land a big that is in the top 150.

Pretty sure our Cali recruits know why they are coming here!!!

Entire SEC will go down soon with sanctions - this kid is smart enough to jump on NU!!!!

Very nice.. good to see them get the double win today.. I didn't think it would happen, but they proved me wrong!

You very good at throwing in a negative comment in all your positive statements.

 

Who cares? I'm always baffled at how much interest this garners. It's cool. But I couldnt care less about who is getting drafted. Especially if NU is only winning 6-9 games a year.

 

Win more and the draft picks come. Success garners attention.

Exactly. The cupboard is bare from poor recruiting. I doubt any will get drafted, cuz if they do they won't buy in, so why bother.

 

Who cares about the college players anyway? It's us fans that are important. We're the ones who pay their salary.

 

Lot of value in these two post