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I just can't see VV getting a good enough draft grade to declare early.

Because the players on the Dline don't really seem to like their coach or have any confidence in him.

 

Link? Some shred of proof? You're VV aren't you?

 

Close - Sorry, VV's mom!!!

 

 

 

 

 

True. It's going to get interesting.

 

We have a good chance of getting Fitzpatrick and Farmiok. If we do, those two alone will be, I think, our third and fifth highest rated recruits.

They'd be nice gets, but we need D-lineman. Good ones.

Sure we do. Not for next year but the future.

 

However that fact doesn't automatically make this class suck or mean the coaches are going a horrible job.

 

 

I will reserve final judgment on signing day, but if we are not able to finish in the top 20, then Riley and company have not met the expectations they were hired to do. Bo had many classes ranked outside the top 20 and into the early 30s, and Riley was supposed to really excel with recruiting.

Even if we land Butler, Jackson, Fitzpatrick, and Farniok, I don't see this class ending up in the top 20.

 

 

Where was it said that this was the expectation of the new staff. I believe the two main objectives were that Riley has done OK with OSU level recruits - he was sold as someone that does well with average talent and should be able to have better talent here (that is different then being a better recruiter). The second thing that most were sold on was that fact that he would not act like an idiot on the sideline and in the interview room.

 

He was hired to win Championships! Do you really believe that is going to happen without better recruits! they go hand in hand!!!!!

 

Agree and we ALL want the championships - did you plan on getting that Championship in year one or two. If so, you might want to tame down the expectations. We haven't been highly ranked in awhile and to get these championships we have to get past the defending National Champs and a potential NC for this year (just for the BIG Champtionship) - along with other current powerhouse teams in the playoffs for the NC.

Seems like if we could get into the top 25 next year and bump our recruiting up to a solid top 20 class and then try to improve both those numbers by 5 or 10 we would have a reason to start to talk about championships again on a yearly basis. As said before, I'm not "in" enough to know if Riley is the guy, however giving him more than a handful of months would be nice - maybe creating a little stability around here would be good!!!

 

 

 

 

 

True. It's going to get interesting.

 

We have a good chance of getting Fitzpatrick and Farmiok. If we do, those two alone will be, I think, our third and fifth highest rated recruits.

They'd be nice gets, but we need D-lineman. Good ones.

Sure we do. Not for next year but the future.

 

However that fact doesn't automatically make this class suck or mean the coaches are going a horrible job.

 

 

I will reserve final judgment on signing day, but if we are not able to finish in the top 20, then Riley and company have not met the expectations they were hired to do. Bo had many classes ranked outside the top 20 and into the early 30s, and Riley was supposed to really excel with recruiting.

Even if we land Butler, Jackson, Fitzpatrick, and Farniok, I don't see this class ending up in the top 20.

 

 

Where was it said that this was the expectation of the new staff. I believe the two main objectives were that Riley has done OK with OSU level recruits - he was sold as someone that does well with average talent and should be able to have better talent here (that is different then being a better recruiter). The second thing that most were sold on was that fact that he would not act like an idiot on the sideline and in the interview room.

 

 

Have you re-read what you just wrote? First off, he has performed worse with average talent than his predecessor (who I was not a fan of and am glad he was fired), and that was evident from this past season. We also were told numerous times that Riley was known to be the best recruiter in the Pac 12, but since he only was able to try to sell a Yugo, he could not achieve highly ranked recruiting classes, but with the tradition, facilities, and financial resources at NU, he would be able to make NU competitive again in the recruiting arena. I am excited about a few guys coming in, and am still holding hope we see a big turnaround in the final 45 days, but losing out on 3 big recruits that the staff invested a lot of time in is highly concerning.

 

Just looking at Rivals, Bo's 2011 class ranked #15 and his 2013 class ranked #17. When you average out the final 4 seasons, his average ranking was probably in the mid-20s. Thus, if we end up in the mid-20s or worse, I am seeing no signs of improvement. And if we can't get better talent than we had before, and we have seen that this staff cannot coach up average talent, what are we to hang out hats on?

 

First off - I didn't re-read what I wrote because I know what I wrote. How has he performed worse - did you watch the games or are you just going of the record. How many points did we loss by last year? How many blow out losses did we have?

Yes the record sucks, however most teams have close games. These games come down to one or two big plays - which are normally coin flips. Example: long pass in the end zone that looks like a 50/50 ball: it can get caught / tipped away / tipped intercepted..etc (coin flip). If you watched the games, we lost about every coin flip that could be lost. I guess we won at least one of these coin flips with MSU - I truly don't remember any others going our way (I'm sure there were - just not many).

Again, Riley's weapon was not his recruiting - it was doing well with what he had. This class is not done yet, so comparing it to 2011 #15 only tells a partial story. In 2011, Bo had 21 recruits w/ average 88. Last year Bo / Riley class had 29 recruits w/ average 82 (a lot of people gave Riley credit for holding the class together and adding some talent at the end). This year Riley has 15 recruits w/ average 87 - still time to go and is expected to have about 22/25 recruits by the end. This is clearly a bump up from last year and very similar to the cherry picked year that you selected in 2011. We are also looking like we are in on some talent in 2017 - who knows how that will go.

Now a few more wins next year should give NU some traction in several areas - recruiting being one of them. I'm not going to decide if it was the players or coaches or luck that caused us to be 5-7, however if you couldn't see that we very easily could have been 9-3 with zero blowouts, then I don't know how to help you....

We do need more talent to win BIG Championships and get our name in the playoff hat. Sometimes new coaches are splash hires and they get the bump right away with recruiting - other times the hire is somebody that is not at as splashy. Not always going to get the quick spike in recruiting, so give it an extra year or two. Patience is not a bad thing.

Is cold weather really a deterring factor or just an excuse? Thats a weak a$$ reason if ive ever seen one.

Saying that weather isn't a factor to a 18 yr old kid that has lived in the south or has a chance to go there for the first time - is for sure a factor for some kids (not all).

 

 

 

True. It's going to get interesting.

 

We have a good chance of getting Fitzpatrick and Farmiok. If we do, those two alone will be, I think, our third and fifth highest rated recruits.

They'd be nice gets, but we need D-lineman. Good ones.

Sure we do. Not for next year but the future.

 

However that fact doesn't automatically make this class suck or mean the coaches are going a horrible job.

 

 

I will reserve final judgment on signing day, but if we are not able to finish in the top 20, then Riley and company have not met the expectations they were hired to do. Bo had many classes ranked outside the top 20 and into the early 30s, and Riley was supposed to really excel with recruiting.

Even if we land Butler, Jackson, Fitzpatrick, and Farniok, I don't see this class ending up in the top 20.

 

Where was it said that this was the expectation of the new staff. I believe the two main objectives were that Riley has done OK with OSU level recruits - he was sold as someone that does well with average talent and should be able to have better talent here (that is different then being a better recruiter). The second thing that most were sold on was that fact that he would not act like an idiot on the sideline and in the interview room.

I think we can contain their RB, but I fear their QB may run for 300 yards against us.

 

Any word on who is missing because of grades?

I would love to bet the under with you on the 300 yards - I will also spot you 200 yds.

 

 

So.... Who picked UCLA?

 

 

Since I started doing this, this is the most lopsided set of picks against Nebraska that I can recall.

Not to be negative but why would anyone in their right mind pick Nebraska? Or even UCLA by less than a couple touchdowns. I hope we do well but hope isn't worth much these days. All indications are that it should be an ugly lopsided victory for the Bruins......unless they just aren't motivated to be there.

 

I do not understand your reasoning. Under MR, we only get blown out by teams with no victories over Power 5 teams.

 

Sorry ZERO blowouts this year - You must be thinking about last year under the old staff. Between your past post from the previous 3 months and your tag name - I wonder if you have any true connection to NU. I guess I could go back and look at 5,000+ post, guessing more of the same.

 

So.... Who picked UCLA?

 

 

Since I started doing this, this is the most lopsided set of picks against Nebraska that I can recall.

Not to be negative but why would anyone in their right mind pick Nebraska? Or even UCLA by less than a couple touchdowns. I hope we do well but hope isn't worth much these days. All indications are that it should be an ugly lopsided victory for the Bruins......unless they just aren't motivated to be there.

 

All indications point to the above "bold" - We just played 2 top 5 teams. NU beat one and lead most stats in the other (including interceptions - unfortunately) Is UCLA ranked #1 in the country?

A lot of guys on 247 are trying to help a coaching staff out by making anyone who doesn't come here seem like not a very big loss.

I'm sure their number 1 goal is to help out the NU coach - glad somebodies looking out for us!!!

 

 

Now if he'd just play the guys who have the best chances at becoming all americans.

Even if they aren't ready?

 

Don't tell me there's nobody better on this team than Utter. If that's the case then we can just forget Husker football ever being good again.

 

You can choose to go that route. Some of us are going to let the coaches get us back to being very good!!!

 

Epley already called them out. Cavanaugh (and Riley) are simply feeling the heat. As they should.

 

 

Agree 100%. This staff has been in place for years and must be held accountable for decades (since 2001) of mismanagement.

 

Yeah.

 

Can you list some of this mismanagement - or is it just a generic comment to cover your agenda?

Now if he'd just play the guys who have the best chances at becoming all americans.

I'm guessing he looks at who has a chance and then puts them on the bench. Sure OK...

 

 

 

 

Good lord....we are getting better recruits than he got at OSU.

 

In 2014, with 30 recruits he was ranked 56 with an average grade of 80.7 That's right at the point of almost averaging a 2 star grade.

 

This year with only 15 commits, our average grade is 87.27.

 

Now, I believe 88 is where a recruit gets to a 4 star grade. So, on average, our commits are right at that point of almost being a 4 star.

 

The class is no where close to being done.

Is our goal to be better than Oregon State or is our goal to be one of the top programs in the country?

My comment was at a post acting like that is what we were getting.

 

Obviously we need to be getting some of the best players in the country.

Understand, didn't mean it directly at you. Just a general thought along the same lines of the convo.

 

Also interesting that in Anderson's first year at Oregon State he averaging 83 rating on his recruits...

 

Most coaches get a honey moon period in recruiting where they can recruit better than the school's norm. For some reason (maybe going 5-7), this staff never got that whatsoever.

 

Other reason is that it is easy to sell the honeymoon period when your team had a bad record and you are the new best thing. With NU the record was not the problem (the other items were) - so not so easy to sell the honeymoon period.

 

 

I have been very very high on the recruiting of this staff but it seems like they might have hit that "wall". I think that right now they are "in" on a lot of big names but it seems like if they call and another school class...the recruit is returning the call to the "other school" first.

 

I am not sure what has happened but where I was thinking/expecting a top 15-20 class I am starting to second guess that a bit.

 

Agree completely. I think the fact that we had a 5-7 season / along with the stupid chatter from fans about our coach needing to be on the hot seat - slowed this class down. NU needs to have a better records to help close these better recruits (at most schools - I would disagree with my statement, however I'm sure every coach out there is using our record against us). We should be able to post a solid record next year and the 2017 class will fill in nicely!!!

I promise our fan base provides far more pros to recruiting than cons. No blame should be placed on them.

 

I would agree that our fans are great and the fact that we show up to all sporting events with large crowds is a huge plus to potential recruits. My comment was the stupid chatter of SOME fans. So YES blame can be put on SOME fans. Do recruits understand that out of 1 million fans the few that make comments are a minority - I would hope so, however there is no way you could say it doesn't have ANY impact.

I have been very very high on the recruiting of this staff but it seems like they might have hit that "wall". I think that right now they are "in" on a lot of big names but it seems like if they call and another school class...the recruit is returning the call to the "other school" first.

 

I am not sure what has happened but where I was thinking/expecting a top 15-20 class I am starting to second guess that a bit.

Agree completely. I think the fact that we had a 5-7 season / along with the stupid chatter from fans about our coach needing to be on the hot seat - slowed this class down. NU needs to have a better records to help close these better recruits (at most schools - I would disagree with my statement, however I'm sure every coach out there is using our record against us). We should be able to post a solid record next year and the 2017 class will fill in nicely!!!

 

Murray is crazy athletic but damn he looks so slight out there on the field. I feel like he's gonna get broken in half if he takes a big hit. I could easily see him sliding in nicely at Houston.

I'm sure his coach there would at least know how to properly utilize him.

 

You are a broken record. Do you just cut and paste the same 4 replies in every thread that you want to destroy.

Tommie talks too much, needs to listen and learn.........MR wants to have more rushing success??......try throwing the ball less than 40 times per game!.......

these guys wear me out!!

Your constant negative comments wear us out - move on!!!

^{Bottom line is Nebraska can't close on anyone that has offers from other "top" programs. The trend has been that the ones we do get they end up busting.}

 

^{Nebraska's best players recently have been players that were recruited to other top programs for a different position. Then NU lets them play the position they want to and they end up good. Only so many of those kinds of kids.}

 

^{If you are a recruit and you are being recruited by NU and other top flight programs. Why in God's name do you go to Lincoln? It is what it is. If Tom Osborne didn't know how to develop players, then NU's history would be just like Iowa's.}

 

^{We're lucky to have caught lightning in a bottle (TO)}

^{I think we had a coach named Bob that might be confused by this ^}

 

 

 

Tell me how the scholarship commitment/contract works: Can a coach pull a scholarship anytime if he thinks the kid doesn't fit his system or isn't playing up to par? I know the student has to request a release to transfer to another school but how does it work from the coach's side when he wants to get rid of a student and make room for others? With all of the talk of various players leaving potentially, what are the obligations of each party as a scholarship is essentially a contract to perform by both parties. Your insight is appreciated. I obviously was not so lucky to get a scholarship when I was in college and my son's full ride scholarship was academic - so I don't understand the athletic scholarship 'terms'. (which I was very glad for his academic scholarship as he was on track to received an athletic basketball scholarship- point guard - if not for the 2 darn ACL surgeries - funny thing or not so - 11 years later I end up wt an ACL surgery this year - ouch - must be a genetic thing).

I could be wrong, but I believe that in football, the scholarships are of e one-year renewable variety. It gives the coaches and players a chance to sit down and evaluate things after a season to see if the desire to renew the scholly is mutual.

 

I do believe Delaney and the Big 10 have proposed full four year scholly agreements in the recent past as an alternative. It'd help mitigate the oversigning and more plentiful "cutting" of players from schollies in places like the SEC.

 

The idea didn't get much traction, though. The logistics of moving to a full four-year scholly system would make it nearly impossible to recover if you miss on important guys or have a high number of busts that you then have to carry for a full college career.

 

Thanks Dude for the explanation. That helps my understanding of what is going on. It does force the players to work hard and earn each year and I see the logic against a 4 year scholly - get a couple of busts at a key position like QB or RB and you might end up write off the rest of your career as coach at that university.

 

Actually Nebraska committed to 4 year scholly's under Bo 2 years ago. So this is pretty crappy if they asked him to leave. They are having a hard time trying to fill the current class of 23. I don't think they need to have that number rise to 28 by running folks off. Anytime a staff is looking at taking a half a dozen JC players you know they're coaching for a quick fix to save their jobs rather than build a program.

 

Why would you even think that he was asked to leave? Actually taking JC is a way to even out scholarships for the 4 year cycle or to fill a position group that has a bad ratio of under/upper classmen - But i'm sure that is not the case and and as you said Coach R is trying to save his job.

 

74Hunter I am wondering what your vision is for what you want Husker FB to look like. We know it's not Riley...who is your fave coach and why ? Would u say you are more of a triple options guy?

I don't think I've ever said I wanted the triple option back.

 

I'd like a winner who understands and embraces Nebraska football. Don't really feel like naming names again.

 

We currently have a loser that doesn't understand Nebraska football.

 

Man life is rough for you. Not sure what your ties to NU are, however you might just choose to move on. K-State is just down the road!!!

excuse me....but isn't this thread about scott frost and his future? Harv is gone very soon here and Frost is in Florida. i don't think either has any affect on the others future so why is there a thread derailment attempt happening (yet again) from the conspiracy theorists?

Everything was going in the right direction however GBRedneck forgot to mention in the above post that Scott Frost > Cally & Riley > Frank & Bo in the "beauty contest" which was the final tie-in to the future of Scott Frost.

 

 

Question:

 

How many NFL caliber players (based on the scale) does NU require to:

 

1. Win a national championship?

 

2. Win a conference championship?

 

3. Win a division championship?

 

4. Beat Purdue?

For the first 3, clearly more than we have.

 

For the last one, sh#t happens sometimes.

 

 

 

I don't know that it's at all clear that MSU or Iowa have more than we have. I would bet money that more kids from NU's 2015 roster are drafted or sign FA contracts than Iowa's 2015 roster, and I'd be bet that for MSU, the numbers would be very close.

 

 

I find it interesting that you can write off a loss to a team that beat only 1 other P5 team (Illinois) and only a total of 2 FBS programs since 2013.

 

Prior to 2015, NU had won the last two games against Purdue by a combined 79-21.

 

I guess sh#t happens, but it sure happens a lot to certain coaches and not so much to others.

 

You can look at another example that Riley was minus 2 L 23-21 playing Wisconsin this year, however another CERTAIN coach was minus 74 L 59-24 L70-31 over last 2 games.

 

We have 3 NFL caliber athletes, 7 above average, a significant number average, and around 20 walk on caliber.

 

I cant link via mobile. I read the Journal Star article, OWH has one too.

 

Epley says Phillips is doing best he can but we need 1.5 years to get the talent we need.

 

If he really said that, I'm seriously curious how he thinks there are only 3 NFL caliber players right now. Did he mean on the roster or in the senior class? 20 "walk on caliber" athletes wouldn't be surprising on the roster, as we have a number of walkons.

 

But I would be shocked if there are only 3 players registering as "NFL caliber" players, because I can think of about a dozen guys off the top of my head who will likely be actually drafted and more who will get a look in free agency (let alone who demonstrate pure "NFL athleticism" based on the index). If he's talking about just the senior class, then these numbers are hardly alarming. 3 guys drafted per year isn't that far out of line with NU's historical 1-6 rounds drafts.

 

It is pretty low brow to put this out in public. I wonder how the players are going to react to this. Kind of reminds me of when Tenipor came out with criticisms about OL talent (which he was actually responsible for (not) recruiting). There's some serious politics going on here, as there was with Milt's comments, and it's mainly related to Boyd coming back the month before Pelini's firing and the positioning he's taking within the AD.

I do find it interesting that he (and posters here) want to compare it to the 90s talent. Well, two things: (1) compare almost any team this year to the 90s talent, and you'll see some deficiencies in this year's teams, and (2) the OL talent on those teams was largely (like 50%) homegrown. Should we blame the Nebraska moms for the inability to recruit significant numbers of elite OL talent since then?

 

Finally, this quote demonstrates why Boyd is a strength coach, and not an actual team coach, or it means that Boyd recognizes that current coaching talent isn't going to bridge the gap.

 

"we need to do a better job of bringing in talented recruits so we don’t have to do quite so much development or quite so much coaching"

 

I read this as 3 NFL Caliber - right now. If all 85 players on the team went to the upcoming draft - 3 would be picked.

He was a senior, right? If so, dismissing him at this point seems a bit, "You can't quit! You're fired!"

Was that a joke? Sorry I didn't laugh LOL

 

I enjoy that someone spins Boyd's words of "we're a year and half away," meaning they are a year and a half away from athleticism levels he believes is championship material, and then turding another thread up into a Bo vs Riley record sh#tstorm. This sh#t is outplayed.

This^

 

The truth is Riley cost Nebraska at least 3 more wins this year through bad coaching and not just talent. Is the talent championship caliber? Probably not, buuuut they did beat Michigan St...so

 

So Riley lost 3 games, however had no say in the Win against MSU - OK. Nice Logic there!!!! Keep Preaching