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13 minutes ago, Red Silk Smoking Jacket said:

Would be a somewhat similar situation to Luke Fickell and Ohio State in 2011. He did a fine job patching that season together as an interim and guess what...he even took them to a bowl. Ohio State was smart enough to know that didn't just automatically qualify him to get the full time gig going forward as there were other, much more qualified options out there and tOSU had a higher bar than "just get us to a bowl and you're our guy"

(and yes I know Ohio State wasn't in as bad a shape when Fickell took over as Nebraska when Mickey took over)

Comparing Luke Fickell in 2011? To quote Pulp Fiction, it ain't the same f**king ballpark. Fickell took over a 12 win team and took the reigns in the offseason with time to prepare. He then went 6-7. It was damn clear at the time that he was not permanent head coach material for OSU. OSU's 6-7 record that year was not a great achievement.

Mickey took over a dumpster fire that was already terrible and still trending downward, in the middle of the season, and has already shown improvement. If Mickey were to guide this team to bowl eligibility now after the crap that we have seen, to quote Pulp Fiction again, "What happened here was a miracle, and I want you to f**king acknowledge it."

11 hours ago, skeener said:

If they go 6-6 and go to a bowl, then there will be immense pressure to give the job to Mickey,

1 hour ago, funhusker said:

If Mickey goes 6-6 (5-4) with this team and the coaching change, he’s going to be better than any P5 coach willing to come here.

I agree. After Frost screwed the pooch in 2 of the 3 easiest games on our schedule, and given the dismal trajectory of the whole program, if Mickey gets us to bowl eligibility, it would be phenomenal. 

12 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

I'm just saying when one discounts 'religion' because of some outliers here in America...

The majority of your religious brethren tend to support Trumpism. Their religious devotion indeed hurts America. TG, you are a good man, but I'm afraid that you are the outlier in today's age.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/08/30/most-white-americans-who-regularly-attend-worship-services-voted-for-trump-in-2020/

Huh, I was just looking at the last few years' schedules and awful results. We are 2-9 in our last 11 games away from Lincoln since 2020. The only road victories? At Rutgers and at Purdue. 

56 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said:

Looks like he was waiting for a bus, but it just splattered him with mud and drove away. 

16 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

Been googling but can't find anything about Herschel Walker's lawsuit against the Daily Beast that he said would be filed..... yesterday morning.

 

I mean if their report was fake news why hasn't he gone through with his threat?   

Be patient. He is probably starting with “how to file a lossoot” on Google, and I don’t imagine he is a fast typer.

12 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Why does it have to Hispanics to pick the produce.  C’mon man

What was her exact quote? I’m sure it must have been especially egregious in order to draw your outrage, especially since you are on record in this forum denying that Trump has ever said anything racist. 

I don't have a strong preference for anyone in particular, but in terms of results as a coach, I don't see a huge difference between Rhule, Aranda, or Bill O'Brien.

Aranda took over Baylor from Rhule, and in his first year went 2-7 with a team that had been 11-3 the year before. Aranda had been hired very late (late January), and it turned out to be the Covid year. But the very next year, Aranda took Baylor to their best season in school history.

Prior to that Rhule took over from Jim Grobe who had gone 7-6 in an interim year, and went 1-11 in his first year. That was during a pretty horrific scandal at Baylor, but the dropoff in the first season is at least comparable to what Aranda did a couple years later. Two years later, Rhule's results at Baylor were impressive, but it took him two years to recover, compared to Aranda taking one year. Rhule was also pulling the school out of a much larger dumpster fire. Someone mentioned way back on page f*ck-all that Aranda was not as good as Rhule because of Aranda's dip in his first year. But I have a hard time seeing either one of them as being substantially better than the other.

Bill O'Brien also kept a school afloat during scandal, similar to Rhule. But Penn State's scandal was even worse (they should have gotten the death penalty, in my opinion). In his two seasons there, he had winning records, without suffering the staggering dip that Rhule did when he took over. O'Brien also had a much better record than Rhule as an NFL coach (not that necessarily means anything compared to college coaching).

I don't know that any of these guys are the answer at Nebraska, but their coaching results don't seem all that different. I just find it odd that some people are so vehemently opposed to one of them or so strongly in favor of another. 

10 minutes ago, Mudhen said:

This master list was found in Trev's lunchbox with a Runza wrapped inside.

Feel free to download, and add names or wishes.

A couple other items: "Uses clever catchphrases" and "Able to avoid sexual temptation".

15 minutes ago, nic said:

my father’s raises and promotions were stopped for roughy a decade once because he stuck up for two women that were getting harassed because they were trying to study in a “man’s” field of work. (This event took place in the 60s and field was tool and die or industrial drafting).

I would believe this. 

22 minutes ago, nic said:

There is pressure on faculty to conform and students whether you choose to believe it or not.

I believe this too. I work in higher ed, I am quite familiar with the culture of academia. I'm also familiar with FIRE. But I'm still confused about the point you are trying to make. Are you making claims here about censorship? First amendment? Or social norms? 

The scenario with your father does not appear to be a 1st Amendment issue. As far as the cake baker in Colorado, if this is the case you are referring to, the SCOTUS ruling was not based on free speech or free expression. 

While college campuses do undoubtedly swing more liberal, conservative faculty and students are not subject to widespread oppression by administrators or laws because of their views. When people say offensive things on campus, they tend to get publicly called out, but that is not what censorship is. On the other hand, academic freedom actually is currently under attack by legislatures and boards across the country who are seeking to prevent teachers from discussing things like race and abortion. That IS censorship.

8 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Yep, the more I think about it the more I think it may be a G5 coach - why?  Ask why would a SUCCESSFUL, EXPERIENCED coach leave his current P5 gig.  There are more reasons for them to stay then to move - esp wt the 12 team playoff coming.  We sure don't want an UNsuccessful, INexperienced P5 coach.  Thus we go after a SUCCESFUL, EXPERIENCED G5 coach who fits the requirements TA has laid out.   

Now, I'll cheer on the choice of an Aranda or one of the "Boarder" coaches wt P5 experience but odds are it leans differently.  Or we get fortunate and a great P5 coach just thinks it is time to move on to a new challenge. 

You aren't completely off base, but just last year, two successful coaches at all-time top 5 institutions were poached away by other schools. Money talks (yeah, there were probably other factors at play as well, but come on, it's the money more than anything).

If Oklahoma and Notre Dame can be stepping stones, then nothing is off the table.

2 hours ago, nic said:

If they say it and it’s not slander or a threat or against a law and then lose their livelihood it is a problem. 

Do you actually have examples of this happening at colleges and universities, or is this simply more hyperbolic hand-wringing over "cancel culture"?

As a matter of fact, faculty members ARE being warned/threatened to limit their speech, but it is predominantly coming from right-wing lawmakers and administrations. Florida is an example. Idaho is an example. Any state that is looking to ban "controversial topics" in the classroom is an example. But those are different examples than what Fox seems to be worried about.

Ah, a blonde haired Husker hero from our glory days, finally returning to Nebraska to save us!

Better keep the booze and cheerleaders away from him.

30 minutes ago, nic said:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/columbia-students-react-college-ranked-worst-free-speech-campus

 

I am not sure who FIRE is and who the 45000 students were that they interviewed, but thought some of quotes were interesting.

 

"The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) ranked Columbia last in its third annual College Free Speech Rankings, which surveyed nearly 45,000 students from more than 200 colleges. The Ivy League university scored a 9.91 out of 100."

 

"I think everyone here is very open-minded, and so I'm not really sure where that's coming from,"...

 

>> open minded to certain viewpoints. Other  viewpoints might be seen as offensive or oppressive or phobic or whatever.

 

However, Arianna, a senior at the Ivy League school said: "Of course people think they can't say things. I think people think they might be judged by the majority."

 

>>everyone filters what they say now. Fall in line and keep your mouth shut.

 

A freshman, Aarush, told Fox News: "I've heard some people with certain political views might not be able to express their opinions because it might be perceived as offensive." 

He also felt hate speech was unacceptable, but said "obviously you can say whatever you want, like, physically, but there's going to be social repercussions."

"People should just be more careful about what they say," he added.

 

>> thus they do not express their opinions or if they do, there are "Social repercussions". 

 

 

People being afraid of social repercussions has nothing to do with free speech. The fact that people are free to say whatever the hell they want, but then whoever is listening can say whatever the hell they want in response, is what free speech is. 

FIRE typically ranks schools for free speech issues based on policy language, public statements, and such. I'm not clicking your Fox News link, but if they are measuring free speech concerns by students who are afraid of social repercussions, then it is pretty weak reporting.

42 minutes ago, nic said:

>>everyone filters what they say now. Fall in line and keep your mouth shut.

Also, this is untrue. People filter themselves less than ever, and say stupid and offensive $h!t out in the open more than we have seen in a long, long time. But people are also getting called out more often for their BS (yes, a lot of the call-outs are hypersensitive and irrational as well, but free speech). 

22 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

 

An argument is being made that GT is a better job than Nebraska.   A few valid points -  -1. easier place to find recruits around GT - my counter is that NIL levels that some what and the right coach will draw in great players OR develop / coach up those he has    2.Expectations - Yes Nebraska's expectation have been unrealistic - but  right now we are at the bottom - so those expectations aren't so high as when we hired Frost to get us to the NCG by year 5.   - 3.  ACC - easier schedule - that will always be the case I think just by the make up of the conferences.  Depends if the coach wants a real challenge or not. They can possibly take the easier route to the playoffs and then flop once there or face tougher competition in conference and be prepared for the playoffs.   With the right coach, and with out financial resources and fan support, I think we can overcome these issues. 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/football-world-is-debating-nebraska-vs-georgia-tech-job/ar-AA12jZBi?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=147cfe7a1efe49fee9f2ba98d1d11195

 

 

Meh...this guy is oversimplifying it. If being closer to recruits, having lower expectations, and having an easier schedule equates to a better job than Nebraska, you could say the same about every ACC school, every school in Texas, and every school in California. Our brand name and financial resources still mean a hell of a lot.

5 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

For the love of God….Deion Sanders is not the coach we need or want. Just. Stop. It’s gone beyond an off the wall odd mention and has now ventured into WTF territory for a few posters.

But I already got this sweet tattoo!

25 minutes ago, Husker816 said:

Come here to read folks opinions and get updates on the coaching search but this board is nearly impossible to do so with dumb comments like these and all the follow ups. Mods can yall keep these discussions on topic?

3 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

So my comment was the one that sent you into a tizzy?
 

You need to chill out. If you can’t handle a little levity maybe it’s time to move along.

Dammit, I saw another new post in this thread and thought there would be an actual coaching update. DAMN YOU TO HELL JJ!

6 minutes ago, MyBloodIsRed16 said:

Riley was a "proven" program builder. 

Riley’s mediocre a$$ never built $h!t. Nothing noteworthy anyway.

I like what Deion is doing as a coach, but his sales pitch to good recruits at Jackson St is different (and more effective) than what he would be able to sell at Nebraska. At Jackson St he is able to sell a quality education at an HBCU with tight-knit community and a supportive environment for black players, which is very different than recruiting at a P5 school. Add in the cool flashiness of playing for Prime Time, and the availability of NIL money even at a lower division, and he has a recipe for recruiting success. I have a hard time seeing him be able to sell the same concepts at a school like Nebraska.

9 hours ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

Yeah and what does throw the kitchen sink at them mean??? I know it involves money but does it include anything else??

It's literally a kitchen sink. You ever been to Waco? They aren't common.

46 minutes ago, Dogs In A Pile said:

Lance Leipold addresses the rumors. Says his focus is building KU into a winner for the long haul. But doesn't say he would not be a candidate for another job either.

 

https://saturdaytradition.com/nebraska-football/nebraska-coaching-search-lance-leipold-addresses-rumors-linking-him-to-other-jobs/

 

 

 

Leipold surely took the Kansas job knowing that if he got them to even halfway respectable and qualified for a bowl game every now and then, he would be able to have a very long a comfortable career as a P5 coach, but also knowing that if he was a success after a couple of years he would be able to hit the lottery with a huge contract at one of the money schools. 

7 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

What did Liepold coach when he was here from 2001 - 2003?

 

I don't remember him.

He actually wasn't a coach. His wikipedia page, and all of these articles about him now, keep saying he was an assistant, but never share details.

The only thing I can find with any detail is this snippet from UNO in 2004 (he was on the UNO coaching staff both before and after his stint at UNL, as an administrative assistant):

https://omavs.com/sports/2004/3/23/208635481

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UNO head football coach Pat Behrns announced Tuesday that Lance Leipold will rejoin the Nebraska-Omaha football staff as the offensive coordinator after spending the last three seasons at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln as an administrative assistant.

Leipold left for Nebraska-Lincoln after seven seasons as running backs coach at UNO under Behrns, where he was also the offensive coordinator for one season and recruiting coordinator from 1995 to 2001. He also had coaching stints at Doane College (1989) and Wisconsin-Whitewater (1987, 1988 and 1990) before spending three years as a graduate assistant at Wisconsin.

Leipold's responsibilities at Nebraska-Lincoln included maintaining the recruiting video database and assisting with on-campus recruiting functions. He was also the director of the Big Red Football School, which attracted approximately 1,200 high school athletes in 2003.