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In my lifetime: Alex Henery hands down. What a great luxury we had not to have to worry about missing a FG for what, 3 years?

 

For Kicker/pumter Henery is hands down. He proved that a punter could be a defensive weapon. I dare say he won some games due to his ability to punt us out of trouble and pin teams at the 3 yard line. It was unbelievable at times to see how he could get the ball to go out of bounds below the 5 yard line. As a FG Kicker - we were always within range. Both of these skill sets gave the coaching staff an added luxury - a good placed punt can sure pump up the D.

This may be more challenging then best QB, RB or DE/DT. Who are our all time top 5 best special teams players - Kicker, Punter (K), Punt return, Kick off returns ®.

Who is # 1? (Johnny Rogers IMHO)

 

Some of these guys played Def or OFF besides their special team duties.

Some great names come to mind:

Johnny the Jet Rogers R

Bobby Newcombe R

DeJuan Groce R

Kris Brown K

Josh Brown K

Alex Henery K

Jesse Kosch K

Tyronne Hughes R

Irving Fryar R

Sam Koch K

Darin Erstad K

Kyle Lawson K

Ameer Abdullah R

Niles Paul R

Nate Swift R

Brett Maher K

Dan Hadenfeldt K

Eric Hagg R

Dana Brinson R

Cortney Grixby R

Josh Davis R

I got the impression from the CCG that it's the safeties' job to contain the outside run. Which I think is kind of dumb, because it's generally understood that leaving a secondary player one-on-one with a running back is the opposite of a good idea. Especially when our safeties struggle at. . . ya' know. . . tackling.

 

Tackling and taking bad angles to get to the RB in the 1st place. Pretty risky - safety miss the tackle - there is no race - RB walks in for TD.

This is epic, im not getting anything done today

 

I'm captivated.

I have so much research to do. Girlfriend is on her way in town, I should have cleaned the apartment.

Nothing is getting done. Can't be bothered.

Is your girlfriend real??

1.Haloti Ngata?. Sorry

2.Suh

3.Wistrom

4.My fave. Christian Peter.

Didnt see Glover play but im saying top 5 for sure based on what i know of him.

My trip down memory lane leaves me thinking one thing though.Up til recently weve always had really good DEs and pass rushers.

Neil Smith, Broderick Thomas,Wistrom, Tommich, Vanden Bosch,Moore, Trev Alberts, Carriker, Kelsay Brothers,Zach Potter etc..

Is it the schemes were running now? Where did they go?

 

You sure bring up a big question & great observation. I too always remember us having strong rush ends who KNEW how to contain. Think back the the Wisky CCG - no containment - how many times did they run the jet sweep wt our ends never in place to stop it. One of my years in HS football I played DE - the 1st thing the coaches always stressed was containment.

I may be wrong, but it appears that Bo may have place more emphasis on DT - due to his success at LSU wt Dorsey and then again at NU wt Suh. We thought Crick would be the next great D guy and then Stein. Both fell below expectations and the play of our ends was not strong enough to make up the shortcomings. This isn't a knock on Crick or Stein - both are/will be NFL guys but they could not overcome the other weaknesses in the line and at Middle line backer as a Suh or Dorsey could - both could dominate a game by themselves.

I'd like to see how our sack #s have trended since Solich. If I understand Bo's philosophy, the DL is there to contain the OL allowing the LB and corners to stop the run and to blitz & sack.

So, does the lack of great rush ends go down to scheme or because of an inability to recruit those kinds of players plus a dominate DT?? Recruiting or scheme?

Going back to the original stats that were posted:

 

Fake stories about girl friends David 0 Te'o 1

Media hype stories David 0 Te'o 2

(Grandma & girl friend)

Playing for media darling ND David 0 Te'o 1

 

Reason to get Heisman David 0 Te'o 4

In our discussion about TM would it be fair to summarize:

1. He's a top 10 QB if he never wins a CC or NC - maybe between 6-8

2. He is a top 5 if he wins a CC - behind Frazier (should be self evident), Gill (3 CC & #1 in "Favorite Son" catagory), Frost (1 CC & NC), Crouch (1 CC & Heisman) - your order may be different.

3. He's a top 3 if he wins the NC (behind Frazier and Gill)

John Dutton and John Parella were pretty good.

 

Dutton was pretty good. Should have been on the list. The fact that he helped to destroy texas in the bowl game is a big vote for him. Plus he's from my home state of SD.

http://www.huskers.c...l?ATCLID=923949

Drafted in 1^st Round by the Baltimore Colts (5^th Overall)

· 1973 Europe NCAA-Armed Forces Trip

 

· 1973 First-Team All-American (AFC-Kodak, AP, UPI, Football News, Time Magazine, Football Writers Association of America, Sporting News, Walter Camp Foundation)

 

· 1973 First-Team All-Big 8 (AP, UPI)

 

· 1973 Nebraska Defensive Player-of-the-Game (UCLA, Iowa State)

 

 

1973 (Senior)

Earned All-America and All-Big 8 honors in ’73. Biggest of the all the Blackshirts, Dutton finished fourth on the team in tackles with 63 total tackles, 31 unassisted and 32 assisted tackles.

 

 

Dutton started off the season on a high note as he was named Nebraska Defensive Player-of-the-Game against UCLA in a season opening 40-13 win. In the game UCLA was held to 20 net passing yards. Dutton and the rest of the Blackshirts came up big against Kansas on October 20^th as the Huskers skimmed by in a 10-9 win, in the game Kansas was held to only 180 total yards, 90 yards each in the air and on the ground. Dutton was once again Nebraska Defensive Player-of-the-Game against Iowa State as the defense held the Cyclones to only 33-yards in the air in a 31-7 win.

 

 

In the 1974 Cotton Bowl against Texas Dutton and the Blackshirts held the Longhorns to one field goal and 196 total yards. An even bigger accomplishment was the fact that All-American fullback Roosevelt Leaks of Texas was held to only 48 yards rushing on the day. Nebraska went on to win the game 19-3, this was Nebraska's fifth straight bowl win dating back to a December 20, 1969 win over Georgia in the Sun Bowl, 45-6.

I, unlike Hedley, won't speak on players that I never saw play....So, the best I've ever seen over a whole career would be Wistrom, but I can't imagine any Husker having as dominate a two-year stretch as Suh had....Suh will go down as one of the best college football players of all time....

 

 

Note: I think that Jared Crick did enough too have his name mentioned in the OP.... If he would have played at a different time than Suh, he would get more credit....

 

I remember Rich Glover, barely, but I do remember his game against OU - 22 tackles. It reminds me of Suh's game against texas in the CCG. Pure dominance. How many OL blockers did Suh simply pick up and throw them into the QB if he could get to them. Of course Colt was a rage doll in Suh's hands. texas; never should have been given that game - they got whipped by our D.

 

It wouldn't have been given to them, if our offense would have pulled their heads at least halfway out of their asses....

 

funny how things have flipped since then. Then we wanted a 'serviceable offense' now we hope for a servicable D to go wt next years O.

^ think harder.

LOL

Ok, I was just confused, because you stated "single game" records and then you had this...

 

27; Trev Alberts, OLB, vs. Iowa St., Nov. 16, 1991

(3 sacks)

Fumble Recoveries:

 

I was wondering if that 27 was the number of fumble recoveries in a single game, season or career. Or if it was just some number that came with the copy/paste lol

 

It may be easier to see on the link provided vs the copied version. In the case above, the 27 represents yards for loss in the Iowa State game on 3 sacks. There is too much of a gap between the catagory and the stat. Fumble recoveries is the next catagory and its stats follow it.

I, unlike Hedley, won't speak on players that I never saw play....So, the best I've ever seen over a whole career would be Wistrom, but I can't imagine any Husker having as dominate a two-year stretch as Suh had....Suh will go down as one of the best college football players of all time....

 

 

Note: I think that Jared Crick did enough too have his name mentioned in the OP.... If he would have played at a different time than Suh, he would get more credit....

 

I remember Rich Glover, barely, but I do remember his game against OU - 22 tackles. It reminds me of Suh's game against texas in the CCG. Pure dominance. How many OL blockers did Suh simply pick up and throw them into the QB if he could get to them. Of course Colt was a rage doll in Suh's hands. texas; never should have been given that game - they got whipped by our D.

I'm pretty damn old. Seen plenty of football.

 

And I think Johnny Manzeil is something special.

 

I have no love for Texas A&M, but if you're a football fan it's pretty juvenile to root against him.

 

 

All of the OU fans and the Tulsa newspaper became believers after OU's big loss to A&M

Martinez will not lose the starting job this year save two things - injury or a complete meltdown, and the injury is far more likely.

 

I've heard great things about Tommy Armstrong too, even seen him in practice. He's only a redshirt freshman, however, and Martinez has our playbook down pat. Whether Armstrong is the better qb is irrelevant - he is not going to overtake Martinez for the starting spot. He's just not. Period. End of discussion. Martinez gives Nebraska the best chance to win.

 

And any notion Martinez is not a playmaker is ridiculous. He shouldered the weight against Ohio State in 2011, led game winning drives against Northwestern and Michigan State this year, made big plays against Wisconsin in September, and had an unreal run against Wisconsin in the B1G championship game that will largely go unnoticed in Husker history because we got blown out.

 

I'm all for fair, legitimate Martinez criticism. Any player deserves fair criticism on our team. But the baseless claims that he's not a playmaker and can't shoulder the weight of the team need to stop. They're unsubstantiated and, quite frankly, stupid.

 

I have no doubt that TM will start all games next year outside of an injury. My big wish, however, is that Armstrong and/or Straton be placed in real world situations that matter - not clean up duty against St Mary's School fo the Blind. There was zero QB developement this year - outside of Armstrong in practice.

Accountability has a pretty good response to this.

 

Truth of the matter is Nebraska treats it's quarterbacks no differently than any other university. We don't blow teams out, therefore we don't have the luxury to bring in the back-up. And it's not like this is 1995 and we've got a proven commodity (like Brook Berringer was) sitting in the wings. Very few if any college teams throw their back-up into the fire in meaningful games - your starter sees the snaps. The fact that our back-up QB's see very little playing time doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

Armstrong can ride the bench another year, learn the playbook, see mop-up duty, and come out firing in his third year after having watched patiently for two. Nothing about that situation bothers me.

 

Ok - I can live wt that response to a certain extent. If TM gets injured, it helps to have a QB in the wings who won't have the live game jitters. Maybe what I want is the 1995 blowouts - then everyone gets experience.

Some interesting single game records by DTs and DEs. Jared Crick gets his name mentioned several times.

 

http://www.huskers.c...f?DB_OEM_ID=100

Game by Position

Nose/Defensive Tackles

Total Tackles:

 

 

22; Rich Glover, MG, at Oklahoma, Nov. 25, 1971

Unassisted Tackles:

 

 

13; Ken Geddes, MG, vs. Missouri,

Oct. 19, 1968

Assisted Tackles:

 

 

19; Rich Glover, MG, at Oklahoma,

Nov. 25, 1971

Tackles for Loss:

 

 

7; Jim Skow, RT, vs. Missouri, Oct. 19, 1985

(40 yards); Jared Crick, DT, at Baylor, Oct. 31, 2009 (28 yards);

Ndamukong Suh, DT, vs. Texas, Dec. 5, 2009 (22 yards)

Yards:

 

 

40; Jim Skow, RT, vs. Missouri, Oct. 19, 1985 (7 TFL)

Sacks:

 

 

5; Jared Crick, DT, at Baylor, Oct. 31, 2009 (24 yards)

Yards:

 

 

37; Jim Skow, RT, vs. Kansas St., Nov. 2, 1985

(3 sacks)

Fumble Recoveries:

 

 

2; Ron Pruitt, LT, and Mike Fultz, RT,

vs. Kansas St., Oct. 16, 1976

Returns for Touchdown:

 

 

1; Jon Clanton, DT/NT

vs. Troy St., Sept. 1, 2001 (20 yards); Jason Peter, DT,

Dec. 31, 1996 (31 yards) (Orange Bowl)

Passes Broken Up:

 

 

4; Ndamukong Suh, DT, at Virginia Tech,

Sept. 19, 2009

Pass Interceptions:

 

 

1; several times, most recently,

Terrence Moore, DT, at Michigan, Nov. 19, 2011 (10 yards)

Returns for Touchdown:

 

 

1; several times, most recently

Ndamukong Suh, DT, vs. Colorado, Nov. 28, 2008 (30 yards)

Blocked Kicks:

 

 

1; several times, most recently Jared Crick, DT,

at Wisconsin, Oct. 1, 2011 (PAT)

Defensive Ends

(includes Defensive Ends, 1965-88/2003-10; Outside

Linebackers, 1988-95; Rush Ends, 1996-2002)

Total Tackles:

 

 

15; Grant Wistrom, RE, vs. Colorado,

Nov. 29, 1996

Unassisted Tackles:

 

 

10; Trev Alberts, OLB, vs. UCLA,

Sept. 18, 1993

Assisted Tackles:

 

 

11; Grant Wistrom, RE, vs. Colorado,

Nov. 29, 1996

Tackles for Loss:

 

 

6; Sherwin Jarmon, DE, vs. Iowa St.,

Nov. 8, 1969

Yards:

 

 

46; Sherwin Jarmon, DE, vs. Iowa St., Nov. 8, 1969

Sacks:

 

 

4; Mike Rucker, RE, vs. Texas Tech, Oct. 19, 1996

(24 yards); 4; Trev Alberts, OLB, vs. Texas Tech, Sept.

11, 1993 (21 yards)

Yards:

 

 

27; Trev Alberts, OLB, vs. Iowa St., Nov. 16, 1991

(3 sacks)

Fumble Recoveries:

 

 

*3; Broderick Thomas, OLB,

at Colorado, Oct. 25, 1986

Returns for Touchdown:

 

 

1; Demoine Adams, RE,

vs. Iowa St., Oct. 9, 1999 (37 yards)

Passes Broken Up:

 

 

3; Kyle Vanden Bosch, RE, Dec. 30, 2000,

Alamo Bowl; Bill Weber, DE, vs. Missouri, Oct. 23, 1982

Pass Interceptions:

 

 

1; several times, most recently,

Cameron Meredith, DE, vs. Chattanooga, Sept. 3, 2011

Returns for Touchdown:

 

 

1; several times, most

recently Titus Adams, DE, vs. Texas A&M, Oct. 18,

2003 (3 yards)

Blocked Kicks:

 

 

2; Kyle Vanden Bosch, RE, vs. Texas A&M,

Nov. 6, 1999 (2 FG)

 

Where are the numbers? I just see blanks after the ":" lol

 

The 1st # after the catagory: Example directly above is 'blocked kicks' the # is 2 by Kyle Vanden Bosch.

What's with the insane print? Are you mad or something?

Maybe It copied over very small and I increased the size.

Some interesting single game records by DTs and DEs. Jared Crick gets his name mentioned several times.

 

http://www.huskers.com/pdf8/881895.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=100

Game by Position

Nose/Defensive Tackles

Total Tackles:

 

 

22; Rich Glover, MG, at Oklahoma, Nov. 25, 1971

Unassisted Tackles:

 

 

13; Ken Geddes, MG, vs. Missouri,

Oct. 19, 1968

Assisted Tackles:

 

 

19; Rich Glover, MG, at Oklahoma,

Nov. 25, 1971

Tackles for Loss:

 

 

7; Jim Skow, RT, vs. Missouri, Oct. 19, 1985

(40 yards); Jared Crick, DT, at Baylor, Oct. 31, 2009 (28 yards);

Ndamukong Suh, DT, vs. Texas, Dec. 5, 2009 (22 yards)

Yards:

 

 

40; Jim Skow, RT, vs. Missouri, Oct. 19, 1985 (7 TFL)

Sacks:

 

 

5; Jared Crick, DT, at Baylor, Oct. 31, 2009 (24 yards)

Yards:

 

 

37; Jim Skow, RT, vs. Kansas St., Nov. 2, 1985

(3 sacks)

Fumble Recoveries:

 

 

2; Ron Pruitt, LT, and Mike Fultz, RT,

vs. Kansas St., Oct. 16, 1976

Returns for Touchdown:

 

 

1; Jon Clanton, DT/NT

vs. Troy St., Sept. 1, 2001 (20 yards); Jason Peter, DT,

Dec. 31, 1996 (31 yards) (Orange Bowl)

Passes Broken Up:

 

 

4; Ndamukong Suh, DT, at Virginia Tech,

Sept. 19, 2009

Pass Interceptions:

 

 

1; several times, most recently,

Terrence Moore, DT, at Michigan, Nov. 19, 2011 (10 yards)

Returns for Touchdown:

 

 

1; several times, most recently

Ndamukong Suh, DT, vs. Colorado, Nov. 28, 2008 (30 yards)

Blocked Kicks:

 

 

1; several times, most recently Jared Crick, DT,

at Wisconsin, Oct. 1, 2011 (PAT)

Defensive Ends

(includes Defensive Ends, 1965-88/2003-10; Outside

Linebackers, 1988-95; Rush Ends, 1996-2002)

Total Tackles:

 

 

15; Grant Wistrom, RE, vs. Colorado,

Nov. 29, 1996

Unassisted Tackles:

 

 

10; Trev Alberts, OLB, vs. UCLA,

Sept. 18, 1993

Assisted Tackles:

 

 

11; Grant Wistrom, RE, vs. Colorado,

Nov. 29, 1996

Tackles for Loss:

 

 

6; Sherwin Jarmon, DE, vs. Iowa St.,

Nov. 8, 1969

Yards:

 

 

46; Sherwin Jarmon, DE, vs. Iowa St., Nov. 8, 1969

Sacks:

 

 

4; Mike Rucker, RE, vs. Texas Tech, Oct. 19, 1996

(24 yards); 4; Trev Alberts, OLB, vs. Texas Tech, Sept.

11, 1993 (21 yards)

Yards:

 

 

27; Trev Alberts, OLB, vs. Iowa St., Nov. 16, 1991

(3 sacks)

Fumble Recoveries:

 

 

*3; Broderick Thomas, OLB,

at Colorado, Oct. 25, 1986

Returns for Touchdown:

 

 

1; Demoine Adams, RE,

vs. Iowa St., Oct. 9, 1999 (37 yards)

Passes Broken Up:

 

 

3; Kyle Vanden Bosch, RE, Dec. 30, 2000,

Alamo Bowl; Bill Weber, DE, vs. Missouri, Oct. 23, 1982

Pass Interceptions:

 

 

1; several times, most recently,

Cameron Meredith, DE, vs. Chattanooga, Sept. 3, 2011

Returns for Touchdown:

 

 

1; several times, most

recently Titus Adams, DE, vs. Texas A&M, Oct. 18,

2003 (3 yards)

Blocked Kicks:

 

 

2; Kyle Vanden Bosch, RE, vs. Texas A&M,

Nov. 6, 1999 (2 FG)

Doesnt Trev Alberts hold the sack record? I was at the Iowa St game in '93 when he got it. Or did he just tie it? i know this was back before they counted bowl game numbers towards season numbers, becuase he also had 3.5? in the Orange Bowl.

 

yes Trev has the most in number and Jim Skow has the most in yards

 

http://www.huskers.c...f?DB_OEM_ID=100

 

Sacks:

29.5; Trev Alberts, OLB, 1990-93 (196 yards)

Yards:

223; Jim Skow, RT, 1983-84-85 (26 sacks)

that's career. We're talking about single season. In which case, I think that Nexus is right because I recall Trev's number being 15 sacks when he got it. He didnt get any against oklahoma 2 weeks later because he was injured so early, but he did have another 3 or 4 in the Orange Bowl.

 

Defensive Season Records

http://www.huskers.com/pdf8/881895.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=100

Total Tackles:

 

 

152; Lavonte David, LB, 2010

 

Unassisted Tackles:

163; Jim Skow, RT, 1985 (25 tackles)

 

 

86; Barrett Ruud, MLB, 2004

 

Assisted Tackles:

 

 

95; Lee Kunz, SLB, 1977

 

Tackles for Loss:

 

 

25; Jim Skow, RT, 1985 (163 yards)

 

Yards:

 

 

 

 

Sacks:

 

 

15; Jim Skow, RT, 1985 (139 yards); Trev Alberts,

 

OLB, 1993 (88 yards)

 

Yards:

 

 

139; Jim Skow, RT, 1985 (15 sacks)

 

Fumble Recoveries:

 

 

6; Broderick Thomas, OLB, 1986

 

Returns for Touchdown:

 

 

1; many times, most recently

 

Austin Cassidy, S, 2011

 

Passes Broken Up:

 

 

17; DeJuan Groce, RCB, 2000

 

Pass Interceptions:

 

 

10; Josh Bullocks, FS, 2003

 

Returns for Touchdown:

 

 

3; Dave Mason, M, 1971

 

Total INT Return Yards:

 

 

187; Daniel Bullocks, SS, 2004 (5 INT)

 

Blocked Kicks:

 

 

4; Barron Miles, CB, 1994 (4 punts)

Doesnt Trev Alberts hold the sack record? I was at the Iowa St game in '93 when he got it. Or did he just tie it? i know this was back before they counted bowl game numbers towards season numbers, becuase he also had 3.5? in the Orange Bowl.

 

yes Trev has the most in number and Jim Skow has the most in yards

 

http://www.huskers.com/pdf8/881895.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=100

 

Sacks:

29.5; Trev Alberts, OLB, 1990-93 (196 yards)

Yards:

223; Jim Skow, RT, 1983-84-85 (26 sacks)

If I was to rank this by time periods, I'd have to say that the heyday of the defensive lineman at NU was the Mid 1990s.

With the Mid 1980s second - esp 1986

Rich Glover 70-72

Larry Jacobson 1969-71

 

Danny Noonan 84-86

Neil Smith 1985-87

Broderick Thomas 1985-88

Kenny Walker 1988-90

 

Grant Winstrom 1994-97

Jason Peter 1994-97

Jared Tomich 1994-96

Christian Peter 93-95

 

Steve Warren 1999-2000

Kyle Vanden Bosch 1998-2000

 

Ndamukong Suh 2007-9

 

 

In all fairness, the SEC title game money isn't included in that equation, from what I can tell.

 

And let's not overlook that the SEC is working towards a BTN-type of network for their conference. The SEC may not have *the* biggest payday, but it will soon meet or exceed the B1G's current payout structure.

 

Though if the rumored changes are any indication, the B1G deal will blow their current one out of the water with decidedly fewer games on ESPN (same number on ABC). Instead, the B1G will simply shift more Tier 2 (e.g. Nebraska/Michigan State, Nebraska/Minnesota, Nebraska/Rutgers, Nebraska/Maryland) football programming to the BTN, which will make the conference decidedly more money in the long term.

They already have one. It's called espn.

So true. ESPN is a propaganda network for the SEC like NBC is for Obama.

Jim Skow ('83-'85) is in the conversation.

 

Still holds Nebraska season records for TFLs (25) and sacks (15).

 

I didn't know that. Completely forgot about him. Where would you rank him on the list?

We have threads going on the greatest QB and RB in NU history. Since our current D appears to be our weakest spot, I thought I'd start a thread on who our greatest D lineman has ever been.

This may really be a thread about who is our second greatest D lineman - as there may be a consensus that Ndamukong Suh may be the greatest.

 

But lets place it in the context of the season in which they played. I don't think Glover could play the same postition at the same time Suh played, but Rich Glover may have been as dominant in his day as Suh was in his. He had 22 tackles against OU in the game of the century. The same could be said of Grant Winstrom in the 1990s, Wayne Neylan in the mid 1960s and Danny Noonan in the 1980s.

 

Below is my list of the top 14. I may have forgotten someone - if so add them in to where you think they should be ranked. Outside of Suh, I don't have anyone ranked beyond 2000 - have we been that poor since then relatively speaking or am I just forgetful. Maybe an honorable mention for Crick and Turner.

 

The greats in my opinion are:

 

Ndamukong Suh 2007-9

Rich Glover 70-72

Grant Winstrom 1994-97

Danny Noonan 84-86

Wayne Meylan 1965-67

Neil Smith 1985-87

Larry Jacobson 1969-71

Jason Peter 1994-97

Broderick Thomas 1985-88

Jared Tomich 1994-96

Kenny Walker 1988-90

Christian Peter 93-95

Steve Warren 1999-2000

Kyle Vanden Bosch 1998-2000

There may be serious NCAA sanctions coming for Oregon soon. The investigation is winding down and almost complete so.... we will see.

 

I have been following Oregon and NCAA violations - what are they looking into and is stuff that would fall directly on Kelly's shoulders?