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I'm struggling to see the differences of how Rhule plans to compete in the B1G versus Frost's approach.

33 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

If you're in the middle on this, like I am, the only thing funnier than watching Husker fans fellate Deion Sanders is watching other Husker fans s#!t their pants at the mere thought of him coming to Lincoln.

 

If the decision was up to me I would have gone the Trev route, too. Rhule and Fickle probably the top choices, Deion not in serious consideration. 

 

But if my top choices turn me down and I'm looking at a pool of Campbell and O'Brien and Leipold and Mickey Joseph and even Lane Kiffin, I'm suddenly thinking Deion Sanders brings a better chance of change and hope. No great coach succeeded at the D1 level until he did.

 

As noted in an earlier post, 75% of the hottest coaching hires in the 2014 and 2018 cycle that got us Riley and Frost are no longer head coaches. Nobody knows how any coach is going to do until the games are played. If you listen to the folks who follow college football closely, Deion Sanders has earned the consideration, probably over-hyped but in no way a foolish choice. 

 

 

It's interesting being right underneath it now that the Sanders hire has happened.

Discussions on this board for a long time have been about the need for strong recruiters, developers and an experienced, qualified assistant coaching staff.

If I didn't live in Colorado it might be different but watching both new staff situations simultaneously is interesting.

1 hour ago, lo country said:

I truly think he will sell himself.  The are signing to be with him, not necessarily CU if that makes sense.  Dude is a salesman.  I do agree that the schools you mentioned are NFL factories, but they only have 87 Schollies.  I think he will get his fair share and then some.  USC/UCLA going to the B1G is a positive for him.  He can sell the vision of CU being the flag ship moving forward.  

 

I look at it a lot like NU. We still get some quality guys that were offered by other programs.  Why choose us ove some other places.  Same question there, but CU know has the the greatest show on earth for right now.  With his Social Media reach, especially in the P5, companies will be all over trying to get access to his pipeline.  Look at some of his social media stuff they do at J State.  Pretty slick stuff.  For example, his most recent meeting with the team has 2.3 million views in 24 hrs.....

I live in CUs backyard.  I did not expect  them to pull the Sanders hire off and I certainly didn't realize the impact it would have.

6 hours ago, Decked said:

You know the first thing he did at Jackson state was hire his buddies right.

Yeah, but he's not taking all his Jackson State buddies to Boulder....and he's making some strategic staff hires from other programs.

16 minutes ago, GSG said:

I could see Deion making them decent enough to get himself a job somewhere more high profile - SEC/ACC, which is all I think he really wants

Colorado would take that all day, every day.

Nebraska might too.

3 minutes ago, sho said:

Elijah Robinson?   Is that official?    He's a good get if he goes to Colorado  

 

And it has nothing to do with underestimating him, he will get talent based on name alone.  At least early on.   But he won't be head and shoulders above Oregon or Washington.   He may be get slightly better classes, but he won't have major talent advantages.  He won't be having a 5* when no one else has a 3*.  That'll be a big change for him.

Nick Williams

Other than Lincoln Riley occasionally who in the PAC 12 gets 5*s?

11 minutes ago, sho said:

I agree, he won't drastically out recruit Oregon or Washington, which was his biggest advantage in the SWAC.  Now the question is can he out X&O Deboer, Whittingham, Lanning?   If I had to place a wager, i'd say he won't.   I am curious as to how he will fill out his staff, but I have a feeling he will end up being all flash and no substance.

I'm not about to underestimate what Sanders understands about recruiting.

Sanders new DL coach is from Texas A&M and is known as a recruiter.

5 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I get it. I think Deion will upgrade their talent. But, I don’t think it will make CU much more talented than the rest of the PAC 12. Throw in the fact that he will be facing much better coaching and opponents, I think CU will still struggle, and what will Deion do then?

This might be the first time I've heard the PAC 12 complimented in this manner.

42 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I watched the full video. He basically told the current players that he’s going to change things and I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. Nothing wrong with setting those expectations. It will be interesting how many guys he does run off, because it will be difficult to flip a whole roster through the transfer portal. He mentioned he will be bringing about 10 guys from Jackson State. While those players are talented, that’s a huge jump in competition for those guys. 

Except one of them was the #1 recruit in the country that he flipped from Florida State.

On 12/3/2022 at 2:05 PM, ColoradoHusk said:

I think Prime will do well in the short-term in recruiting and transfers but their lack of NIL will hurt them. Yeah, CU has a lot of alumni and I’m sure a lot with $, but CU typically struggles with getting $ donated to them. 

Name two universities that are better at football with NIL than they were before NIL specifically because of NIL.

Sanders had a great quote about NIL in his intro presser.

1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

Exactly. I think Nebraska fans don't understand that CU needs to make a hire that will get fans to show up. Whether or not Sanders can make the team successful is somewhat secondary as the athletic department needs to balance the budget after running nearly a $20 million deficit last year and a projected $43 million drop in revenue this year. CU football is just trying to survive at this point. I hope Sanders can deliver or that might be the beginnings of the end of their football program.

 

CU Buffs athletics projecting nearly $20 million deficit

 

The hire of Sanders changes the trajectory of everything for CU football, including financially.  My contact for CU tickets is a CU season ticket holder who has already told me no.

I will probably buy CU season tickets like I used to do every other year during the B12 years.

Those will spike too.

Absolutely Boss move by CU.

3 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I appreciate what Deion did at Jackson State as he tried to raise the profile and $ for a HBCU. However, if Deion isn’t about himself, why does he insist that everyone (including the media) calls him “Coach Prime”?  You can’t call him Coach Sanders, or if you know him personally, Deion, you have to him “Coach Prime”. That ego and narcissism may work in high school or the SWAC, but it won’t work long term in Power 5 college football. 

Being called Coach Prime is Marketing 101 which is part of Recruiting 101.

2 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

It's possible for Nebraska to have advantages in some areas and disadvantages in other areas.

 

That doesn't seem too hard to comprehend.

That's why I said sometimes.

Why the swipe?

3 minutes ago, lo country said:

One advantage we have lost the past 8 years (I liked Bo so I won't lump him in) is winning, the bowl games (and practices that come with them) and a staff capable of development.  Just seems like some of our highly touted recruits did well until 2-3 years in the program.  Kind of peaked their 1st year.  And too your point, all of these "perceived" advantages have yet to pay off...You can't put enough polish on a turd after 6 losing seasons and make it shine....

 

I think for the guys available, that we would want or would want us, Rhule checks a lot of the boxes.  Still want to see the complete staff.  

Very much agree on the bowl practices lost.

I'm good with the Rhule hire....I just don't consider his resume to be "elite".

I don't know as much as most others about strength and conditioning, but in hindsight I think it was an issue and look forward to seeing how that change helps.

10 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Salt Lake City is as far away from Los Angeles as Lincoln Nebraska is from Dallas, as far away from Las Vegas as Lincoln is from Chicago.

 

Whether it's culture or physical distance, you don't look at Salt Lake City and envy it as a recruiting hotbed. Every disadvantage we lay at the feet of Lincoln Nebraska could be made for the University of Utah (ever buy alcohol in Salt Lake City?) which has managed to turn low-ranked recruiting classes into a respected NFL pipeline while beating up on Pac 12 schools that have the recruiting advantages we actually do envy.

 

If I went too far declaring Utah's recruiting radius as "worse" I apologize. The spirit of the post is that Utah is similar enough to draw inspiration and hope.

 

Why you go hatin' on hope, TheSker?   

 

 

 

 

Obviously I hope Rhule can get it done 

But we see quite a bit on here how many advantages Nebraska has.

....and sometimes it just ain't true.

Just now, lo country said:

Per 247 "their best class 2022" ranked 80th....Previous years in the 90's and 100's....They can't and don't recruit better.  They DEVELOP better.  That's the model NU needs to copy.  And KSU.

 

Utah's recruiting area is way better (500 miles radius), but they are not getting the top guys.  

 

https://247sports.com/college/utah-state/Season/2023-Football/Commits/

Utah's recruiting radius being better than Nebraska's was the point I was responding to.  Thanks.

29 minutes ago, Decked said:

Deion is a gamble. That’s why only those teams wanted Deion. He has great recruiting ability. Nobody knows how well he can develop & coach. 

CU needs to fill seats and bring in talent from outside Colorado.  Home run.

2 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

... which is still better than any other option out there.

What were the other options?

26 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Nothing is guaranteed, but of the 3, only Rhule has shown to a "program builder" at the Power 5 level (also did it at Temple).  Deion is a big name, but I think he will struggle in the long-term at CU.  He may improve recruiting at CU, but he won't have the better talent like he often does at Jackson State.  Fickell is very good, but I think he's better at keeping a program going rather than re-building one.

For having a reputation as a "program builder" Baylor is Rhule's only P5 example and none of his stops have long term attached to them.

17 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

USC has supposedly every advantage a football program could want.

 

Utah is at least as cold as Nebraska, Salt Lake City is actually less hip than Lincoln, the recruiting radius is worse for the Utes, and the facilities and fanbase aren't even close. 

 

So yeah, Utah is a perfect example of what good coaches can do instead of making excuses. 

The recruiting radius is worse for the Utes?  No.

The state of Utah puts out more than twice the number of 4* football players as Nebraska.  Las Vegas is in Utah's radius, which also puts out more 4* football players as a city than Nebraska as a state.....and California is just outside the 500 mile radius.

3 hours ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

Not Colorado lmao. They can't go anywhere but up with the hiring of Deion Sanders.

This is a great hire by Colorado.  They struggle with attendance and are about to solve that problem.

I live 30 minutes from Boulder and by no means a CU fan....but smart move by CU.

21 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Well I already agreed with you on that. We all loved those first moves from Frost, including the frat boy vibe of bringing back that '90s posse. Felt right at the time. 

 

Rhule just has a little more public speaking savvy and maybe more gravity to him than Frost. For the first time, Husker fans might see the value of an outsider stepping in, and Mickey played into that this week.

 

I don't think I'm the only person who thought you were trying to imply something more in your super terse responses on this thread.  

We'll see if Rhule can get it done.  I hope he can.

The B1G is a different animal than Temple or Baylor and his recruiting philosophy of good lines and speed is no different.  Let's see if his ability to translate that to the field is better.  Hopefully that's no too terse.

Thanks for reading.

And of course I hoped Frosr could get it done.  Now I hope Rhule can get it done.

43 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Right. And like a slow drip of cancerous tar down the throat, Scott Frost's schoolboy macho hid the soul of a loser.

 

Don't be so hard on yourself, TheSker. We all thought Scott was going to turn this thing around until he didn't. 

Correct, he did not.

I hope Rhule can and does.

But many things Rhule is saying is what Frost....and other coaches....have said.

Thanks for chiming in and enjoy your Friday.

2 hours ago, Nebfanatic said:

We both know it was alot more than the chaw buddy

Correct.  It's about winning more than the press conference buddy.

6 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Rhule is more professional than Frost. Period. That much is already clear.

 

And frankly anything Rhule does or doesn't do has absolutely zero bearing on Frosts lack of professionalism.

It's all about the chaw.

Frankly.

On 11/30/2022 at 3:41 PM, alexhortdog95 said:

 

Seriously? 

You do know that Minnesota is an 8-4 team, right?

Why does Rhule have to win his first game but Frost only won one of his season openers?

 

 

 

Rhule's contract is two Frosts.