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Just now, seaofred92 said:

I guess I didn't phrase it well. Not that we've "moved on" - I certainly think if he was serious about us that we would ramp up our recruitment of him. But I get the feeling that we're focusing efforts elsewhere, our effort here has been really in-consistent. We offered Feb 10, two months with no contact goes by, he does a few interviews and doesn't even mention NU, we get a virtual visit mid-April that is rescheduled (twice I believe), and then nothing since. 

 

From what I've gathered, UConn feels like they're in a really good place here. Louisville will be involved to the end, and I think ECU has actually done a good job in selling to him and he's got a good relationship with Coach Dooley. I think in an ideal world, Ellis would be a backup plan to Sallis for 2021, but Ellis has blown up to the point where Fred can't get away with slow playing him. Sallis' recruitment may go until spring 2021. 

Gotcha, so it is more of a we are not doing as well as others. Both him and Sallis are great players, but it is so crucial we get Sallis this cycle. Even if it means taking both imo. 

4 minutes ago, seaofred92 said:

It definitely wouldn't hurt. When Donovan Williams was committed he was already tweeting at Sallis to join him, I'd imagine getting a teammate of Sallis could only help. 

 

That being said- Sallis is at such an elite level nationally, he's picking wherever he wants to go to school. His decision is going to have much more to do with who he feels can help him the most in his 1 year in college before he makes the jump to the NBA. I'd imagine it coming down to NU, KU, UNC. 

I see Salis more in the midwest from what I know. But if UNC is a dream school he could easily go there. KU is what worries me because Self can show him all the dudes hes coached. On top of that they are an elite school close by his family. 

1 hour ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

I'm not arguing with you.  He is a defiant upgrade for Rutgers, who does not have the same expectations as Nebraska.  In fact, I think SD St. could beat Rutgers.  Since he has graduated, I would believe that he is also doing this for academic reasons. 

He went there for academics and a chance to play. SDSU might be able to beat Rutgers, but only if SDSU had Noah Vedral. 

The problem is not Noah but the team around him won't be much help. Add in the fact he will play some great teams in the East and that will probably make for a rough first year. Year 2 could be interesting to see who they bring in. 

15 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

Visiting with ECU again today. He’s from Durham and Dooley and staff have prioritized him. I get the sense we’ve moved on.

I don't think we have moved on just yet. What info do you have that points to that? 

Not doubting you at all but this guy wants to weigh all his options and he did a virtual visit with us. I would consider him our number one target after HS and if we don't get Hunter we need to get EE. 

15 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

 

 

 

 

Tick.... tick..... tick....

Does he help with getting Salis if we offer? I mean that in itself wouldn't hurt for sure as Thomas has some upside. 

5 hours ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

He is good athlete, below avg. qb & very intelligent young man.

He hasn't shown any wow factor that shows we can't lose him. But Noah is a hard worker. In my opinion he is a Husker through and through that didn't finish out because he had a better opportunity. I am grateful he played here and wish him the best.

I hope he proves you wrong and has a decent season. I respect your opinion, but I think he did the right thing to try and revamp a program that has been so bad for a while. And most importantly get to play a lot more minutes.

58 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

I like the kid and he is smart, but not sure he is a major D1 QB.  Would have been good at SD St.

But he got the opportunity to go to a P5 school and play. He fits the offense and has some sub par qbs to go against. Why would it benefit him to go to SDSU? Does he fit that system better or something? Even so, he has a chance to play right away at P5 and you take that every time with wide open competition. 

People knocked this kid during Spring 2018 and I was included in that boat. Since then, he has put in work and improved his game. He definitely has the talent to be a D1 QB and wants to make the most of it. We will see how well he does. He will be going against a lot of great teams and that has to be way more exciting than one good game, if he went to SDSU, against NDSU every year. 

Also, he may have brought some dual credits from high school to graduate early. That in itself is very impressive while playing a sport. 

I would say late September would not be a bad start time if they needed to extend it. No fans is probably what will happen for safety measures. Recruits may be allowed but would not be able to be on the sideline during the game. This is of course a way too early prediction but I just do not see them starting the season on time. 

I think they will play a 10 game season which leaves one OOC game.. They have a few weeks to play with in December and can move back CCG if needed. Won't affect much because there will be no fans anyway. Maybe ESPN crew will divide up and cheer. 

On 5/11/2020 at 5:48 PM, Warrior10 said:

I don't think we are far off from each other in our expectations for this class. A 3 man class like you mentioned of a 4-star DE, a development DE (Tobin/Buckley) and a solid nose (high 3starish) would be a step in the right direction and a group I could live with for this class. 

Yep, we both agree about this class for sure. Great minds think alike! He really needs to show he can get a solid player because he does not have to go after many guys with the 3-4 system. Also, not sure how well Rawlins fits our system as someone noted he was more of a 4-3 end. We won't get those types as easy who want to play in a 4-3 as a DE because it is not our system.  

Honestly, I would not be surprised to see Dawson get a dlineman from the Northeast and TT has to only get two players. Of course, he could be a secondary recruiter for some west coast guys that play other positions. There is a lot of time before we need to panic for dline recruiting. And that is not directed toward anyone just throwing that out there. 

15 minutes ago, swmohusker said:

Vince young 6’5 235

Mariota 6’4 225

Trevor Lawrence 6’6 220

Joe Burrow 6’4 220

Herbert 6’6 235

 

I think all of those guys could run Frosts system and run it well.  Moving forward hopefully we don’t have to run the qb bad much with an improving OL and better playmakers on the perimeter.  

Yea Herbert was an overlooked kid from Eugene with a similar skillset and look how he turned out. Not saying he will have a similar career but Frost and Verdu have an eye for QB talent. As for running QBs we do not need blazing guys to be effective. They just have to get the tough yards when we need them and they should distribute the ball well. 

To your second point, the qb run was too predictable this year and we overused it from what I saw. With a better stable of backs and Duck Rs I hope that changes. Taking Haarberg is definitely not a reach as he was getting interest from other teams across the country. 

33 minutes ago, Warrior10 said:

Imo that is way too long. Three recruiting classes to get where he needs to be, then two years for the kids to develop/S&C? That's saying you are ok waiting 5-years to see the guys he brings into the fold. 

 

You don't wait for the well to be empty before you refill it....

 

Held, Fisher, Mario, even Rudd to a point hit the ground flying on the recruiting trail. Think all those Florida kids were knocking down the doors to come to Neb? Hell no, Fisher went, busted a$$ and CLOSED to get them here. 

 

I am willing to give TT a pass, kind of, for last year.... but it's go time now. 

 

However, you are entitled to your opinion and explained it well...we both want the same thing in the long run. 

I can see where you want it to be go time for sure. All those guys you mentioned had the UCF momentum that Coach T did not have when he came here. He still needs to get some better results, I am just not panicking/saying he is a liability because it is too early. The reason why 2022 is my year is the roster is loaded with guys and 2021 is a small d line class. 

To the top point, by 2022 his jucos and big junior class are gone. Those dudes need to be ready now and I believe he has them ready. This year is not a we need 4 lineman kind of year, it is get a solid Nose that can contribute down the line- we don't need immediate help at the moment. Next, get one four star DE and another solid player that can develop. Nothing too difficult for this class. The average player he has gotten is a high three star and that has plenty of time to improve. Nobody in the 2021 class will play right away as they will redshirt. 

I think he can get us in on some great Polynesian players. But that will also take some time to get those relationships in order. If we win this year and he still does bad I might be a little worried. I see your point though that he needs to do better and this is a B1G cycle for him- but it might be even more difficult with COVID.

19 minutes ago, HANC said:

Regardless of what he chooses to say publically, Keagan was close to Walters and when he left is when a shift occurred.  Not saying that Lubick didn't sweep in later and left a great impression,  thus off-setting the initial reaction.  I am sure it played a part early, but can absolutely get behind the fact that results on the field are beginning to really hurt recruiting in certain areas.

If we are being honest, if we lose this player because of Walters that is just fine. Keagan is a great player and I wish he was here. But Walters needed to go and Lubick is an improvement in my opinion. I was surprised he didn't come here in the first place when we hired Frost. I completely understand Keagan's decision to go to a winning program that is not too far from home. Nebraska will be fine at receiver in the years to come, I just hope KJ doesn't light us up like Fant did.

Also no more recruiting receivers whose first name start with a K and last name is Johnson. They bring so much drama to the program. 

/s

14 hours ago, Decked said:

Working hard without seeing results (so far) is just wasting precious time. Coach T may be a developmental coach (only time will tell) but let’s not pretend we’ve had any recruiting boost because of him up to this point. Fisher and Held are the best recruiters on staff and it isn’t close. Very happy with Austin too. 

It takes time to build connections. Right now, his recruits don't want to travel to a Midwest sub .500 team from the west coast. Another factor is this cycle we won't take many D-lineman besides a nose and two ends. We only have one senior so he can focus on his bigger targets. Saying it is 'wasting time' is completely false. In a few years these relationships will pay off and they will come when we get the train rolling.

He will get us some great players here in due time. As I said before, this cycle he can't strike out, but I will hold judgement until his 2022 class. If we are reaching to get JuCo's there I will start to be concerned. For 2021, we only lose Ben Stille on the line and one might transfer or leave the team. The numbers are sitting well. Dawson is also on staff and I trust he can pull in one lineman if need be to help us out. Not trying to make excuses for Coach T, but Dawson has those Northeast connections and can help in that regard. We are 7 months out from signing day so he has time to get his puppies in order so to speak. 

He is no Hank Hughes. His development of lineman are his strength and once we get going with football we will see that. I am simply holding judgement on Coach T until the 2022 cycle for recruiting and if that is too long than so be it. 

If Matt Masker is still here in 2021 that gives us two QBs on the team from the exact same high school-Kearney Catholic. Going off recent memory I am not sure when the last time that has happened here. When it is all said and done he should be a high three star or low four star recruit. This is in no way the staff reaching at all. We missed a few above him but Heinrich is a solid get that will add depth for years.

I, for one, welcome our new Kearney Catholic QB overlords.

3 hours ago, RedRedJarvisRedwine said:

We have interest in North Texas WR Rico Bussey. Anyone got anything more on this?

Outside of Schaefer talking about it on the recruiting hour a while ago, I have not heard anything else. I would welcome a grad transfer WR at this point. Bussey was a 1000 yard receiver in 2018 with 12 touchdowns and was hurt all of 2019. He is way more explosive than K. Noa and that is if he can get to his old form. He did take place in an air raid system, but I think he would slot in nicely in this offense. In 2017, he had 677 yards receiving along with 7 TD's. 

5 hours ago, Decked said:

Coach T has been kind of a recruiting liability tbh

Well, let's go over who he has got. The 2019 we will give to Dawson except for Keem Green. For Hutmacher, Coach T was the secondary recruiter for so we will put him on because he is coaching him. 

Keem Green  .89 -JuCo

Nash Hutmacher  .87

Marquis Black .86

Jordan Riley .85 - JuCo

Pheldarius Payne .85 -JuCo

On the roster we have 13 scholarship D lineman. I like the distribution. We are a little heavy on the junior class, but this allows us to possibly redshirt a Juco player if we need to. We are not in dire need of d-lineman and will not take more than 3 this cycle. For only 3 players out there-with rotating-we should be fine. The numbers are right where we should be as we have a 4 deep at each spot with guys that can rotate positions. 

Seniors- Ben Stille- 1

Juniors- 6

Sophomores- 2

Freshman and Redshirt Freshman-4 

So far after one full cycle he has brought in an average of .86 player rating. We are sort of heavy on the JuCo route and that is probably to even out the numbers with the younger guys brought in for 2019. We are not sitting bad numbers wise, and for this class the main thing for DLine is getting a true NT. We will probably take two defensive ends to take three D-lineman total this cycle.

Right now, I do not think it is fair to be judge him off one cycle. After 2021 if he strikes out I would potentially be worried. If after 2022 he is still struggling than something might be up. He is no Hack Hughes here, Coach T is on the trail a lot and he is trying to get a Polynesian pipeline to Nebraska. Another factor is Dawson can definitely help recruit dline as well as his OLB position. He has connections in the Northeast and Tuioti is more West Coast. I am happy with D-line recruiting and will hold judgement until I have seen more. We also do not know how well he is at developing, so that is still something he may bring to the table. 

38 minutes ago, Toe said:

 

This comment aged well.

I mean Vedral did graduate early so that played a factor for sure. Henrich can give us a solid 3 or more years before he would go elsewhere. 

QB depth should be fine as long as we take one every year. 

Just now, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Hoiberg does not care about year.  He wants to win.  4 & 5 star players are not coming to a team that is building.

Yep, it does not matter how they get here. As people say just win baby. 

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

I haven’t watched. Is he a guy you basically park in the corner and drive and dish to? Or does he offer more offense than that?  Defense?

More of a guy that can move without the ball and has a quick release.He can cause defenses to sick to him if he shoots it well and he could be a Gallegos type and stand i a spot. Kavas struggled because he had a slow release and had a tough stretch where he could not put the ball in the hoop. This guy gets rebounds, had 41 blocked shots, and snipes from three. You bet if he gets a year off he will adapt and be a player that if you leave open will knock it in. 

So a more versatile and athletic Kavas. I did not watch him but he should be able to defend as well as last year with how horrible our defense was. 

Here are some more highlights I found.

My thoughts

-Has excellent range and knows when to shoot

-Quick release that is hard to defend- the pump fake for him works well

-Nice size, tall and rangy player

-Knows where he needs to be and moves well

-Can shoot over people

1 hour ago, Toe said:

 

Remember when Riley said his goal was to have a running game in the top three of the Big Ten?

I think you missed the part where he said "abandoned" running game in the top 3.

I think a good nickname for this guy is the Yagermeister. That would definitely be an intimidating name to go up against. Hopefully this guy brings some nasty so teams are intimidated by us again. 

Interesting that if he commits he will be the only player directly from high school. Yvan came from overseas so I count him toward that. This is Hoiball Nebrasketball fans. 

Hoiberg will not make the Malik Henry mistake where you let the guy back at the last hour to win. Culture is too important for one singular player, unless they are NBA talent in which they are gone after a year anyway. Cam is a great player and teammate when he wants to be. But it needs to be all the time if he wants to succeed. Hoiberg is instead filling his roster with people who fit the culture.

Cam had all world talent and this offense allowed him to be a beast. He needs to find the right system because he is an elite passer, the best I have seen at Nebraska in some time. 

8 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

Really?  Maybe my mind is on way too many things this morning and I'm not thinking clearly.  But, I don't remember that a player moving up a class had to sit out.

 

Oh well.

 

Watch...Mack will get a waiver and this kid won't.

I know a buddy of mine was able to go D1 to NAIA without sitting. And then went from NAIA to Div. 2 without losing a year. It only applies from NAIA where you do not sit I believe. NCAA Div 1/2/3 to NCAA Div 1/2/3/I think you have to sit.  It might be different going down a level too.

2 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

I feel indifferent about the Love pick. Think it is for more of a back up in case Rodgers gets hurt. I just don't see the point of moving up for him though. Correct me if I am wrong but were the Titans interested in him? I really wanted Patrick Queen for ILB to replace Blake Martinez. This would have been an excellent trade up in my book. The good news is this is a deep draft for Wideouts and we will hopefully take one in the second and 4/5/6 round for a bigger bodied receiver. Or else Rodgers backup will only have Davante and few others to throw to.