JJ Husker

Busch? If he's so great why is he stuck at Utah State? Why did a coach under him move into a staff role at an AQ school in Raymond?

 

Busch was great. Urban Meyer thought so too. That's a good enough endorsement for me. Raymond had better connections to this staff which is why he got hired here. We technically hired Raymond away from Indiana anyway.

 

He must have something going on. Indianna has always been a powerhouse.

T_O_B

G>B>R

LOL-first time today. Thanks for that.

No boycott. I think that is a ridiculus idea. However, if PSU chose to forfeit or cancel the game, I would not blame them one bit. I still expect JoePa to step down or be fired before we take the field Saturday. This sh#tstorm isn't going anywhere until PSU starts cleaning out their closet. Also, I see absolutely no reason that this game would put our players, coaches, or fans in any more danger than a typical trip to Happy Valley. The emotions and vibe will probably be very weird, could be extremely subdued or crazily electric or both, but I just don't see how that translates to a threat to our team.

The OP said opposing coaches. I read that as present tense. Those still coaching today, Bill Snyder would have to be at the top. With a year or two exception in there, he does the most with the least of any coach coaching today. Bob Stoops took over an underperforming OU team and almost overnight made them winners. Even though June Jones isn't at Hawaii anymore, he is still coaching which is why he made my list. The year before he took over at Hawaii, they lost every game. June Jones put Hawaii football on the map.

The OP also listed Bear, Bowden, and Switzer as his choices so it is understandable people did not limit it to present tense.

Limited to active coaches I would have to say Bob Stoops would be about as close as I can come but I'm not really feeling it. Respect is a very relative term that could be interpreted many different ways. Personally, it is not a term I throw around loosely when talking about college football coaches. For me, there's Tom & Bob and a few others, all time.

Unless you have link providing information I haven't seen, you are assuming JoePa knew the specifics of the rape.

 

JoePa admitted to it to a grand jury. He said today he wished he would have done more. Want to read the disgusting attorney general report that also states it....click here.

 

I've read it, and I just reread it. JoePa reported to Tim Curley that a GA witnessed Sandusky fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy. It says absolutely nothing about any specifics or knowing anything about rape.

Yes, JoePa's testimony and McQuery's differ in that McQ claims he told JoePa in more detail than what JoePa now refers to as only "sexual in nature". 2 points; 1-Sexual in nature is enough description when you're talking about an older man and a little boy even if McQ didn't directly call it rape or use more description than he claims he did. 2- Doing as little as JoePa did about it, it is virtually impossible for him to now tell the truth of what McQ revealed to him because he knows it makes him culpable. Classic case of Paterno realizing he did not respond appropriately and now calling it only "sexual in nature" is probably the closest he can come to telling the truth. If he could claim he knew absolutely nothing about it and get away with it, I'm sure he would.

will psu be distracted with this insane scandal overwhelming the media?

 

 

 

 

I can't imagine they won't be.

 

I feel for the fans because they had nothing to do with it.

 

If you're a PSU fan how are you excited to make the trek to Happy Valley this Saturday? I wouldn't be.

 

I'd be embarrassed for my school and a little depressed that something like this could happen.

if a lot of them are catholics, it will not be anything new.

I assume you thought that comment was cute or humorous when you typed it?

If your goal was to offend Catholics, I think you probably succeeded.

good, it was my goal. but i really don't care about catholics in general, just the ones complicit in child abuse and the insane cover-up. i am sure you are impressed with yourself for feigning indignation and implying to maintain the moral superiority, but anyone who could remain in an organization responsible for such egregious atrocities and corruption is beyond me.

 

finally, please do not address me as a child, do not try to make me feel guilty or rotten for my comments. why should i feel bad for acknowledging the crimes of others. the statement was accurate if it was anything. why should not catholics be offended by the actions of their leaders? they should be abjectly humiliated. you can be disgusted in my comment, but i find it much more disgusting to redirect anger at me and ignore the fact that the church still has not rectified its wrongs, they have barely acknowledged they have committed their transgressions.

 

i may have made my statement in jest, but i find sexual abuse against minors profusely unforgivable. and anyone involved or who acquiesce by not standing against it or separating themselves from the entities involved are equally unforgivable.

How's the weather up there on your pedestal? You assume so many things about me and others that are so completely wrong that it would be funny if it wasn't apparently so real. I addressed you as a child? Feigned indignation? Implied moral superiority? I'm not offended by the actions of some in the church? I don't stand against sexual abuse? If you can't refrain from reading things that are not actually on the page in front of you, you might possibly need some professional help.

first, it's cold up here. second, you are right, i went on a rant that overreached the limits of your response. but, then, what were you getting at with your comment? you asked if i thought it was cute or funny? would you care to elaborate on your original response and explain to me how you wanted to make me feel when you typed it?

 

i said something accurate, even if tongue in cheek, and you reply sternly about me being cute and offending catholics. it felt like a lecture and i did not care for it. again, i do not think i said anything inaccurate, it was just misdirected. but in fairness, i was defending my comment that you were attacking.

I didn't want you to feel any particular way. I wanted you to think about what you were saying. It didn't strike me as an appropriate time to take a cheap shot at any group of people unless that group is a very finite collection of actual child molesters or direct enablers. No one can argue that the Catholic church has not had way more than it's share of these types of scandals. But to then go on and claim that people who have not distanced themselves from the organization are somehow culpable and not opposed to those actions is highly inaccurate and destructive. If nobody sticks around to see that positive changes are made within the organization, who will? JoePa basically distanced himself from the problem and we see how well that helped the future victims. And, yes, as a Catholic myself, who is very disturbed and opposed to the actions of some of these priests and clergy and the slow and lacking response from the powers that be, your comments offended me. There are a few issues where a person may want to think twice about what they are implying about other people. Child molestation would be one of those issues.

fair enough. we seem to only be in disagreement about whether the comment should have been made or not. i feel bad for members of the catholic church, because what are they to do, but somewhere up the chain of command there should have been some accountable group holding the one liable responsible. i am not sure if i intended to offend you or not, i really do not have problems with catholics in general. but in the heat of it, my point was that what i say, accurately, offends you, even though it is accurate, when all i was doing was not letting people forget about past atrocities that still have not been rectified. in that way, i think i have more right to be offended.

 

nonetheless, i really do not want to create an enemy. i think clarity is more important than agreement, and i now understand your position and hope we can let this go. good day sir, and gbr.

No problem. Nothing that would keep me from having a beer with you.

Rick Neuheisel, Gary Barnett, & Dan Hawkins.

Seriously though it would have to be Paul 'Bear' Bryant and Bobby Bowden.

JoePa would've made the list for me a few years ago but not since he has clung on too long and definitely not after the recent discoveries. And I respect Barry Switzer as a formidable opposing coach but I don't really feel "respect" for him.

will psu be distracted with this insane scandal overwhelming the media?

 

 

 

 

I can't imagine they won't be.

 

I feel for the fans because they had nothing to do with it.

 

If you're a PSU fan how are you excited to make the trek to Happy Valley this Saturday? I wouldn't be.

 

I'd be embarrassed for my school and a little depressed that something like this could happen.

if a lot of them are catholics, it will not be anything new.

I assume you thought that comment was cute or humorous when you typed it?

If your goal was to offend Catholics, I think you probably succeeded.

good, it was my goal. but i really don't care about catholics in general, just the ones complicit in child abuse and the insane cover-up. i am sure you are impressed with yourself for feigning indignation and implying to maintain the moral superiority, but anyone who could remain in an organization responsible for such egregious atrocities and corruption is beyond me.

 

finally, please do not address me as a child, do not try to make me feel guilty or rotten for my comments. why should i feel bad for acknowledging the crimes of others. the statement was accurate if it was anything. why should not catholics be offended by the actions of their leaders? they should be abjectly humiliated. you can be disgusted in my comment, but i find it much more disgusting to redirect anger at me and ignore the fact that the church still has not rectified its wrongs, they have barely acknowledged they have committed their transgressions.

 

i may have made my statement in jest, but i find sexual abuse against minors profusely unforgivable. and anyone involved or who acquiesce by not standing against it or separating themselves from the entities involved are equally unforgivable.

How's the weather up there on your pedestal? You assume so many things about me and others that are so completely wrong that it would be funny if it wasn't apparently so real. I addressed you as a child? Feigned indignation? Implied moral superiority? I'm not offended by the actions of some in the church? I don't stand against sexual abuse? If you can't refrain from reading things that are not actually on the page in front of you, you might possibly need some professional help.

first, it's cold up here. second, you are right, i went on a rant that overreached the limits of your response. but, then, what were you getting at with your comment? you asked if i thought it was cute or funny? would you care to elaborate on your original response and explain to me how you wanted to make me feel when you typed it?

 

i said something accurate, even if tongue in cheek, and you reply sternly about me being cute and offending catholics. it felt like a lecture and i did not care for it. again, i do not think i said anything inaccurate, it was just misdirected. but in fairness, i was defending my comment that you were attacking.

I didn't want you to feel any particular way. I wanted you to think about what you were saying. It didn't strike me as an appropriate time to take a cheap shot at any group of people unless that group is a very finite collection of actual child molesters or direct enablers. No one can argue that the Catholic church has not had way more than it's share of these types of scandals. But to then go on and claim that people who have not distanced themselves from the organization are somehow culpable and not opposed to those actions is highly inaccurate and destructive. If nobody sticks around to see that positive changes are made within the organization, who will? JoePa basically distanced himself from the problem and we see how well that helped the future victims. And, yes, as a Catholic myself, who is very disturbed and opposed to the actions of some of these priests and clergy and the slow and lacking response from the powers that be, your comments offended me. There are a few issues where a person may want to think twice about what they are implying about other people. Child molestation would be one of those issues.

will psu be distracted with this insane scandal overwhelming the media?

 

 

 

 

I can't imagine they won't be.

 

I feel for the fans because they had nothing to do with it.

 

If you're a PSU fan how are you excited to make the trek to Happy Valley this Saturday? I wouldn't be.

 

I'd be embarrassed for my school and a little depressed that something like this could happen.

if a lot of them are catholics, it will not be anything new.

I assume you thought that comment was cute or humorous when you typed it?

If your goal was to offend Catholics, I think you probably succeeded.

good, it was my goal. but i really don't care about catholics in general, just the ones complicit in child abuse and the insane cover-up. i am sure you are impressed with yourself for feigning indignation and implying to maintain the moral superiority, but anyone who could remain in an organization responsible for such egregious atrocities and corruption is beyond me.

 

finally, please do not address me as a child, do not try to make me feel guilty or rotten for my comments. why should i feel bad for acknowledging the crimes of others. the statement was accurate if it was anything. why should not catholics be offended by the actions of their leaders? they should be abjectly humiliated. you can be disgusted in my comment, but i find it much more disgusting to redirect anger at me and ignore the fact that the church still has not rectified its wrongs, they have barely acknowledged they have committed their transgressions.

 

i may have made my statement in jest, but i find sexual abuse against minors profusely unforgivable. and anyone involved or who acquiesce by not standing against it or separating themselves from the entities involved are equally unforgivable.

How's the weather up there on your pedestal? You assume so many things about me and others that are so completely wrong that it would be funny if it wasn't apparently so real. I addressed you as a child? Feigned indignation? Implied moral superiority? I'm not offended by the actions of some in the church? I don't stand against sexual abuse? If you can't refrain from reading things that are not actually on the page in front of you, you might possibly need some professional help.

Penn State is going to be lucky to fill a recruiting class this year.

I think you got that right. I know a local HS senior O-Lineman very well (friend of my son and ex teammate) who signed intent for PSU for next year. I have not heard if he is changing yet but I would be extremely surprised if he doesn't. He is the most focused, dedicated, HS athlete I have ever personally experienced. A real class kid. I was originally happy for him to receive an offer from a top notch program like PSU but now I feel sorry that he will probably have to scramble for an alternate. I will put in another good word for the Huskers (if they're interested) to him.

To be successful, any D scheme requires the players to make plays. We don't get the dominating defense of prior years just by changing scheme. But, I do agree that the 2 gap scheme requires extraordinary athletes on the D line for it to work. I don't feel we have the athletes this year to effectively run a 2 gap system. Evidenced by the facts that we have gotten no pressure from our D line on any opposing quarterbacks and our run defense has invariably given up minimum 3-4 yard gains even when a run into the line can be anticipated. The 2 gap is designed to be a bend but don't break system and it has lived up to that for the most part even without extraordinary athletes. We have not given up many big plays but when we do it is ugly and we bend way too much otherwise. I think it is a great system when you have the correct personnel working it. Personally, I would like to see more of the amoeba. It has to be confusing for the offense to calculate and adjust their blocking schemes and it would help keep us fans from picking it apart because nobody can tell what the hell is going on with it.

I love JoePa and all he has done, but he should leave now and not when the season is over. This act of simply trying to stick up for Sandusky this pathetic human is going to tarnish Paternos rep forever. He should not be given a graceful exit no matter how great he has been for PSU as this scandal will inevitablly almost destroy this football program for years to come.

^^^^This^^^^

I'm in the camp of wait and see the facts before I make any judgements, but if it goes down in the direction the news seems to be heading, then make an example out of him to show that the University does not tolerate this behavior.

 

From what I've gathered an assistant coach approached Paterno many years ago. He reported witnessing the accused in a shower with a young boy. Joe went to his superiors to address the situation, left it in their hands, and moved on.

 

Given this, I don't know what to think. Obviously the act itself is despicable. Did Paterno do enough - my heart says absolutely not. He should have confronted the assistant coach. Probably should have socked him too.

 

But where does legality fit into this? I don't know enough to begin to comment.

 

But should Paterno followed up on this? Yes. Yes and Yes. And if all the allegations were true, he should have spearheaded the immediate termination and then criminal prosecution of that assistant coach. For his terrible acts. For all the boys he abused. For all of the trust he betrayed in families and friends, both of the children and the university. Joe should have put the foot down and shown that this type of behavior is completely unacceptable and will be punished most severely.

 

And if Joe let this happen, then he is nearly as guilty as the accused. And I hope he feels the weight of suffering from the victim's on his shoulders, knowing that he could have stopped it.

 

Plus why should Joe believe some grad assistant over a defense coach that he has known much longer? It's like saying that a friend you had known for a very long time had done something terrible and yet some new guy comes up and tells you he did do something bad and yet you will believe the new guy? I think not. People always get a sense of something more could've been done after the fact.

 

I'm sorry, but this is just plain stupid. What would have been the motive for the grad student to so graphically lie? Would Joe expect Sandusky to tell him the truth? When something this shocking occurs, you have to take extraordinary measures to investigate.

 

Maybe the grad assistant didn't like Sandusky? People lie all the time. People have been known to say outrageous things so they will be heard.

The grand jury investigation deemed him the most credible witness. His story, or rather the pattern of Sandusky's behavior, has been corroborated by 8-9-10-? and counting victims, a janitor, and a school principal among others. I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt but that ship has sailed.

Legend and everything, I'm not sure if he deserves this graceful exit.

Hopefully our team shows up and makes it as ungraceful as possible on the field, if he does in fact coach this game.

My personal opinion is that PSU should fire him right now, yesterday.

I assume that most people who do not want him held accountable immediately have not yet read the grand jury report.

I will not get into if what he did was illegal or not but what he failed to do was definitely inhuman.

If a grad assistant told you what he had witnessed in the showers and all you did was tell the AD and then not follow up and not do everything in your power (and JoePa has all the power in the world at PSU) to keep that guy away from your program, then I say you are a scumbag and at least partially responsible for all of the harm caused after that point in time. I cannot fathom the reasoning behind sweeping this deal under the rug or claiming you did all you were required to do. Unconscionable.

Searching for the weekly look-a-like(s) is always fun but just not in the mood for it this week. Even the most innocent posting could be misconstrued as taking a cheap shot when they're down. I read the grand jury report- football or humor are about the last things on my mind at this point. A suggestion- if you haven't read the report yet, don't. You'll feel better not knowing.

I'll try to help. All you need is some perspective. No need to be terrified of losing a football game. It really doesn't matter. If you want to know something you should be terrified about, try putting yourself in the place of those 10-12 year old boys or their parents.

will psu be distracted with this insane scandal overwhelming the media?

 

 

 

 

I can't imagine they won't be.

 

I feel for the fans because they had nothing to do with it.

 

If you're a PSU fan how are you excited to make the trek to Happy Valley this Saturday? I wouldn't be.

 

I'd be embarrassed for my school and a little depressed that something like this could happen.

if a lot of them are catholics, it will not be anything new.

I assume you thought that comment was cute or humorous when you typed it?

If your goal was to offend Catholics, I think you probably succeeded.

Best article I've seen on the topic...

 

http://sportsillustr...tml?eref=sircrc

 

Unbelievably well written!!!

Excellent article. Sums up my feelings exactly. There simply is no excuse for JoePa. He needs to go and now.

Agreed, some people have no common sense and can't see the forest for the trees.

I struggle with all the people that put so much of this on the coaches and so little on other factors.

Tom was a great coach (understatement of the day) but that mid 90's run was also due to factors that no one can duplicate, no matter how hard they try.

TO put the system in place to allow it to happen and I give him all the credit in the world for the string of 9+ win seasons, bowl games, etc. but the 92-97 run we experienced is beyond anything we can ever expect to duplicate. I loved experiencing it and I miss that level of dominance greatly but some people need to realize when the glass is half full and when it is not half empty.

PS- I wasn't really confused.

Theres no way Peugot wasn't joking.

I'm pretty sure he was serious...

Well now I am confused. Originally I thought Badgerfan was being sarcastic because of the mushroom cloud arising from this board after the NW loss. But if there is any chance Peugot is not a mental patient, I may have to re-evaluate.

You stick around Badgerfan. I like your posts and sense of humor.

Just think of this. We squabble and bicker and fight each other about why we lost football games, if Bo should be fired or not, or how much playing time Brion Carnes should get, or why our defense is bad this year...

 

Can not imagine what those who support Penn State are going through.

 

It's like every 'scandal' we've had in the past 50 years all happening at once, x 100. I feel sorry for them. No matter what, the fans don't deserve this.

 

And while some of them may have been defined as "criminal", none of them carry such a negative connotation and response as child molestation.

Child molestation is one of the worst, if not the worst thing a person can do. But, witnessing it, not stopping it, and going about your business like nothing is wrong, is even worse in my opinion. That is what appears to have happened as pertains to JoePa and the assistant coach. What kind of human being simply reports that kind of thing up the chain? I've got no words for it.

Maybe I'm crazy but it seems like some are overreacting here. Possibly cancelling games is absurd!

 

While horrible things happened, and I am in no way trying to undermine the atrocities that have been committed, why would any of the focus be on the football TEAM itself? Nothing done was an NCAA violation (assuming no ethical rules exist for loopholes) and that is all that matters on this. If PSU wanted to fire everyone involved, fine. If everyone involved was arrested and charged with a crime, fine.

It's like a fry cook getting a DUI and getting locked up(arbitrary example, NOT a direct comparison regarding severity). McDonalds is not going to stop making fries because the fry cook and is in jail because people are smart enough to differentiate the two. While people may not want to eat their fries after the incident it should have no bearing on those that are willing to stick it out and have kept their noses clean.

 

College football is a year-round effort of blood, sweat, and tears. To take that all away at this point is just cruel. The players have earned the right to finish.

I understand what you are saying but this situation is not that simple. The actions of Sandusky, while appalling and stomach turning, are no longer the real issue for Penn State football. The head coach, an assistant, the AD, and other(s) in the department knew about this and basically did nothing. The assistant who witnessed it and reported it to JoePa is still in the program. JoePa's story is disgusting-he told the AD and then forgot about it? WTF? I'm sorry but if you witness something like that and/or are made aware of it being committed by a direct employee, there is no way NO WAY you don't follow up and continue to give the perpetrator access. JoePa or the assistant not following up on this willful covering up and that is totally unacceptable. This scandal is so intertwined with what Penn State football is that I think it highly probable that they might cancel games and possibly season(s) going forward. And no it is not fair to the players, the fans, the PSU people who had no knowledge of this. Unfortunately innocent people will get caught up in the solution. It's a terrible situation and I feel horrible for those student athletes that will be impacted. I know, very well, a high school senior from my area that had signed a letter of intent to go to PSU nest year. No way he goes now but it is 100x worse for players that are already there. I'm not saying they should cancel the game this Saturday but it would not surprise me in the least. A self administered death penalty may be all that this program can do at this point.

If I'm not mistaken we're 1-0 in 11AM games so far this year. That's as good or better than any other time slot you can name. It's not real conducive to heavy drinking but if that is your main focus, you may (I did say may) have a slight problem. 11AM is definitely no fun for a home game but at PSU, I don't think it can hurt.

I don't know, I think some of these fans on the ledge should probably go ahead and take the old fashioned way off and jump. It would seriously limit and shorten up these many meltdown threads.

 

Yes, but are they still restricting access to the top of Oldfather Hall and the Capital Building? I don't think that jumping from the Nelnet building downtown will result in the desired effect...

I don't know about that. I knew a guy who fell off an 8' ladder and got some pretty serious brain damage. I'm thinking Elephant Hall might be just high enough.

+10 to the OP.

There is a difference between criticizing elements of the game (the D-line, the offensive play calling, defensive scheme, etc.) and calling for wholesale changes, the coaches head "Bo needs to go", etc. I have been one of the first to criticize our defense this year for specific reasons but I believe it is crossing the line when people come out and call for the coach to be fired with a 7-2 record especially given our recent history with coaching changes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it sure does not look good when you see the threads explode with some of these ludicrous wishes and claims. I don't even want to start in on who is a "good" fan or who is a "fairweather" fan but, for me, a great number of the posts in the last few days have simply been revolting. It embarrasses me to think I may be lumped in with some of these other Husker "fans". I know I have the choice to come on these boards and read the comments or not to. Too many more meltdown weekends like this past one and I guess I'll just have to get my Husker football fix in another fashion. Can we start a petition to remove those "Greatest fans" signs on Memorial Stadium? Because it just simply is not even close to being the case anymore.

Maybe Badgerfan had the best tongue in cheek suggestion; "burn down Memorial Stadium" because it seems to be the main source of a lot of these peoples problems. When a fan from another team notices how irrational some of the posters have become, it sure does no good for our reputation as fans. It's pretty bad when you can begin to make rational comparisons between some Husker fans and some Buff fans. Makes me ill.