JJ Husker

When putting teams like this together, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to look at how they did play in the NFL? I mean the NFL teams are for the most part supposed to be fairly constant top to bottom in terms of talent. NFL teams are made up of the best of the best. If we're going to make a college team of the greats from each team, it would see that this would be a lot more comparable to the NFL than the actual college game. If we put up an offense against another college team's all time defense, it would seem that an option running QB might not be that attractive.

Actually I don't think that makes sense at all, at least for me. It's an all time college team and I think the whole thought process needs to be kept in the college realm. I like to view these things as if only their college careers and style of play matter. Maybe a little out of necessity since I'm a Husker fan. It's pretty rough to put a power I or option team into a pro setting. I don't consider what they did after they left college. If that was the case then I'd have Roger Craig instead of Mike Rozier, etc. And, Frazier, Crouch, Gill etc. didn't and wouldn't have had stellar pro careers but in a college game, in their type of offense, I prefer them easily over any pure passer you can name. Simply look at their won/loss records, the offense their teams were able to generate, and what they did for their teams and it gets real clear for me. Another example- Peyton Manning. 97 Orange Bowl we make him look an unskilled hack, heck Tenn had to bring in T Martin. But, in the pros it's another story.

(Bonus points for using hack & heck back to back?)

I like your OU team better than USC. Any of these teams are going to look mighty impressive. I realize it is all opinion and no way to prove any of it and it would be a real time waster to attempt to make a case for or against any team or player list. So, I'll still maintain that my NU team makes USC's look plain jane. This is quick off the top of my head, in no particular order. I didn't study stats or anything like that, did not count to a correct 2 deep, and I'm sure I'm missing people but I'd field this team in a heartbeat.

 

O Line: Dave Rimington, Dean Steinkuhler, Zach Weigert, Will Shields, Aaron Taylor, Brendon Stai (and many more) Zatechka, Hochstein, Graham, Bonness....

QB: Tommie Frazier, Eric Crouch, Turner Gill

RB: Lawrence Phillips, MIke Rozier, Ahman Green

FB: Tom Rathman, Joel Mackovicka, Cody Schlessinger <=Sorry had to call you out, who is Cody.

WR/WB: Irving Fryar, Johnny Rodgers, Frosty Anderson, Nate Swift, Maurice Purify

TE: Johnny Mitchell, Junior Miller, Matt Herian

 

D Line: Ndamakong Suh, Grant Wistrom, Rich Glover, Jason Peter, Larry Jacobson, Willie Harper, Neil Smith, Adam Carriker

LB: Tev Alberts, Marc Munford, Terrell Farley, Steve Damkroger

DB: Mike Brown, Mike Minter, Michael Booker, Ralph Brown, Barron Miles, Prince Amukamara

 

Kickers: Alex Henery, Kris Brown, Jesse Kosch, Mike Stigge

PR: Johnny the Jet

KR: Tyrone Hughes

Coach: Osborne

OC: don't need one

DC: Bo Pelini (edit: also include Charlie Mcbride & Monte Kiffin)

AD: Bob Devaney

Announcer: Lyle Bremser

 

In their college prime, with team chemistry, no personal/crime problems (in defense of Phillips), etc.

And like I said previously, the only place I feel weak at all may be WR & LB. You will not ever come up with better combined O line or D lines and that is where it all starts.

I would challenge anyone to field a team, any team, any combination, that can beat that.

Sorry- Cory. My bad.

I like your OU team better than USC. Any of these teams are going to look mighty impressive. I realize it is all opinion and no way to prove any of it and it would be a real time waster to attempt to make a case for or against any team or player list. So, I'll still maintain that my NU team makes USC's look plain jane. This is quick off the top of my head, in no particular order. I didn't study stats or anything like that, did not count to a correct 2 deep, and I'm sure I'm missing people but I'd field this team in a heartbeat.

O Line: Dave Rimington, Dean Steinkuhler, Zach Weigert, Will Shields, Aaron Taylor, Brendon Stai (and many more) Zatechka, Hochstein, Graham, Bonness....

QB: Tommie Frazier, Eric Crouch, Turner Gill

RB: Lawrence Phillips, MIke Rozier, Ahman Green

FB: Tom Rathman, Joel Mackovicka, Cody Schlessinger

WR/WB: Irving Fryar, Johnny Rodgers, Frosty Anderson, Nate Swift, Maurice Purify

TE: Johnny Mitchell, Junior Miller, Matt Herian

D Line: Ndamakong Suh, Grant Wistrom, Rich Glover, Jason Peter, Larry Jacobson, Willie Harper, Neil Smith, Adam Carriker

LB: Tev Alberts, Marc Munford, Terrell Farley, Steve Damkroger

DB: Mike Brown, Mike Minter, Michael Booker, Ralph Brown, Barron Miles, Prince Amukamara

Kickers: Alex Henery, Kris Brown, Jesse Kosch, Mike Stigge

PR: Johnny the Jet

KR: Tyrone Hughes

Coach: Osborne

OC: don't need one

DC: Bo Pelini (edit: also include Charlie Mcbride & Monte Kiffin)

AD: Bob Devaney

Announcer: Lyle Bremser

In their college prime, with team chemistry, no personal/crime problems (in defense of Phillips), etc.

And like I said previously, the only place I feel weak at all may be WR & LB. You will not ever come up with better combined O line or D lines and that is where it all starts.

I would challenge anyone to field a team, any team, any combination, that can beat that.

Just thinking of USC...

QBs - Palmer and Leinart Heisman winners

RB - Simpson, Bush, Allen, Garrett, Davis, Bell, White (Charles and Lindell)

FB - Cunningham

WR - Keyshawn Johnson, Swann, Mike Williams

Oline - Yary, Munoz, Mathews, Boselli, Budde

Dline - can't think of any offhand, most likely this is their weak spot

LB - Seau, more of the Matthews Clan

DB - Lott, Polamalu, Browner, Battle

 

quite a bit of talent there.

That looks pretty good but I think the Huskers field a better looking bunch at every position except WR and possibly LB. Add in kickers and return specialists and actually I think we make USC look pretty plain jane. We don't even need WR's. I'd settle for a couple TE's. With our O line, backs, option qb's, and defense, game prob wouldn't even be close.

I seriously doubt an 11-2 NU or MSU get a bcs bowl. Frankly I don't want one if we're 11-2. Anybody remember the time we got into that bowl against Miami that we shouldn't have been in? Yeah, that was fun. Only possible way, as stated above, might be a matchup with Oklahoma and only because our fans travel so well. It would be for monetary reasons and not because we we're the most worthy. If were in a bcs bowl, it better because we won the B1G and avenged our only loss against wiscy.

Mark Dantonio has never led Michigan State to a victory west of the Mississippi river

Serious question; has a Dantonio led MSU ever played a game west of the Mississippi? I mean in conference there is only who, Iowa and maybe Minn? I guess I need to study up but I find it hard to believe they haven't beaten Iowa away and minnesota must be on the east side of the river cuz they couldn't beat anyone. Or is this Dantonio's first or second year?

Dantonio is in his fifth full year, he has played at Minnesota once (lost 2009) and at Iowa twice (lost 2007 and 2010) and no they don't play west of the Mississippi often.

Those facts alone greatly increase my level of optimism for this Saturday. I realize idiots out wondering around has been somewhat decent the last few years but a loss at Minnesota in the last 5 years? WTF? Thought something like that would take the concerted effort of the likes of Callahan and Watson. Throw in the primary green thing and just went from thinking we might possibly lose to no way in hell we can lose.

Mark Dantonio has never led Michigan State to a victory west of the Mississippi river

Serious question; has a Dantonio led MSU ever played a game west of the Mississippi? I mean in conference there is only who, Iowa and maybe Minn? I guess I need to study up but I find it hard to believe they haven't beaten Iowa away and minnesota must be on the east side of the river cuz they couldn't beat anyone. Or is this Dantonio's first or second year?

I been hearing from a lot of people the same couple of statements for the game this week. It seem that people feel because of MSU having four consecutive tough games and maybe because they are worn down by Wisconsin size as reasons why the win. I haven't heard to many people say we will win because we will punch them in the mouth. Its like people are hoping for a let down from them in order for us to be successful.

 

I think the same kind of things can be said for us. We have not looked particularly good at home this season. We may be on a emotionality high thinking we now have it together after dominating a team who's one win was against Miami of OH (who is currently 2 - 6)

I agree. I hate pinning my hopes for winning a game on the possible self destruction of the other team. I would feel much better about this game if I had more confidence in the Huskers (particularly the D) and was less dependent on the other team making mistakes or coming in flat. As you say, punching them in the mouth rather than simply being able to not get punched ourselves. Baby steps I guess. However, I am not one to put any stock in our Minnesota game. 41-14 might look sufficient on paper but the only thing that impressed me at all was the 34-0 halftime score. If our 2nd and 3rd teamers can't expand on that lead against Minnie, well I guess we know why our starting 11 are who they are. I have been spoiled growing up on the 70's, 80's, & 90's Huskers. A 44-14 thrashing against Minn almost feels like a loss to me. I know that is jacked up but I can't help it. We have to start controlling and dominating games rather than simply surviving them. If it helps, I am getting more confident in our chances against MSU. I started the week feeling like we'd get beat by 2-3 touchdowns and am now up to about a push. By Saturday I should be fully partaking of the Kool-Aid. We CAN do it, I'm just not convinced we WILL.

 

The point of this was not that we need them to have a let down. It was just to show that they appear to not play as well on the road. This is a fact. I feel this game is very similar to Mizzu coming to town last year. Will the outcome be the same? I let you know Sat afternoon but until then I'm just saying there are reasons to be positive about this showdown. Earlier people were just sure Wiscy wouldn't lose a game, well guess what? They've lost one and I think will lose again before the B10 season is over. MSU is no different. If Notre Dame can beat them at home then you better damn well think the Huskers can do the same.

 

As far as lowered expectations, I disagree. If you were ignorant enough to think we'd waltz into a new conference, play a new team every week and go undefeated then you are a fool. I'd say sitting at 6-1 with a home game to get a huge inside track at winning the division is a pretty good place to be. This team has show signs of growth, and a desire to win in the most dire of situations.

 

Mark my words, the fate of all B10 teams this year is far from determined. You should know this if you've watched college football for more than one season.

I never thought we'd waltz into the B1G in 2011 and claim a title the first year. However, I have this problem of expecting greatness out of the Huskers. I went to UNL 81-85 (the scoring explosion/triplets time frame), I remember the game of the century against Oklahoma, and attended my first Orange Bowl in 1997. Needless to say I was not a happy Nebraska camper from the time Solich got fired until the day they hired Pelini. The return to dominance that I long for will probably never happen but don't call me an idiot because I'm not satisfied with slow improvement. 14 to 41 years ago had we waltzed into the Big 10, we would have expected, and rightly so, to win it first year and most every year thereafter. It bothers me that I have to worry about winning a game against MSU at home. In a way I am envious of the younger people on here who can take pride in anything that has happened for the Huskers in the 2000's. I realize I am somewhat living in the past and unfortunately I have expectations based on greater things than most on here have ever experienced first hand. I don't like parity. I don't like finishing second. I don't accept 3 loss seasons and am not very fond of 2 loss seasons. I long for the days when we'd take what we wanted and weren't concerned in the least where the game was played or how the other team might perform. I know what I want is probably unrealistic but hopefully you can understand the perspective from which I look at these things and that my heart is in the right place.

I laugh every time someone on here says Boulder sucks. There's more to life than football (barely). I'm not saying people aren't allowed their opinions but it's so prevalent here that it's obviously because they hate the Buffaloes and not because Boulder isn't awesome.

Here, I will give you something to laugh at today then, Boulder SUCKS!!! So do the brain dead pot head f**k tards that live there! I have family out there and they fall into that same group also!

Amen. the scenery is nice but that's about it. The people, CU fans or not, are pretty jacked up. Pick anything that makes sense anywhere else on the planet and Boulderites won't get it. I live about 50 miles from there and I know what I'm talking about. Not to bring politics into it but if you think the old USSR was onto something and you prefer government control of everything then you might like Boulder. Weed is the only thing they don't regulate over there.

Besides Suh, who from 2000 on makes this team?

 

Alex Henery or the list is not valid.

Good catch. I hadn't even thought about kickers.

I guess I'll have to actually make up a 2 deep before I go spouting off again.

However, I will be surprised if Ruud or David make the cut for an "all time" NU team. Heck I'll have to double check before I put Prince on my roster.

I guess the point of my original whiny comment was that it's been quite awhile since we've been real dominate. There have been a handful of exceptional individuals since 2000 but if I simply cherry picked 1970-1999, I wouldn't be afraid to field that team at all.

I'm pretty confident an all time Husker greats team would stack up well against any other single teams all time greats. Heck, I think an all star Husker team would do fine against the best combined team from all other college teams. It is scary to think of what we could put on the field; the good old days of the pipeline, the backs and QB's we've had, and the D woulld be 2nd to none. Besides Suh, who from 2000 on makes this team?

 

Prince, maybe.

Good point. How soon I forget. Probably good for 2nd team if not a starter. We've had numerous dominate safeties but he prob makes it at CB.

The important thing is "college football" without considering their pro careers. Tommie Frazier is one of the all-time great "college" QBs, but so many people would want to throw in a guy like Tom Brady. A guy like Aaron Taylor won multiple college awards, but never made it in the pros.

 

Could we have the "not in trouble" Phillips as a backup RB?

If we can have a "not in trouble" Phillips, I'm starting him. Sure we've had Rozier and many other great IB's but, when Phillips had his head screwed on straight (if he ever did) he was virtually unstoppable. Biggest waste of potential I've ever seen.

I'm pretty confident an all time Husker greats team would stack up well against any other single teams all time greats. Heck, I think an all star Husker team would do fine against the best combined team from all other college teams. It is scary to think of what we could put on the field; the good old days of the pipeline, the backs and QB's we've had, and the D woulld be 2nd to none. Besides Suh, who from 2000 on makes this team?

Let's really look at it. MSU stinks on the road, they can't run the ball and they have a QB that can't run. Now, people always talk about stacking the box vs NU, this looks like NU could either stack the box or drop 7-8 and let Cousins throw into coverage.

 

This game is not only set up for NU to win but it is set up for NU to jump up early.

 

T-mart is playing well, the running game is clicking and lets face it, NU has WR's that are running free all over the place.

Things sure could go our way. Our O line may be able to create some running room but they have shown no signs of being able to get any significant line surge or push on worse defenses than we will face this week. Not that they have to make 25 pancakes. If they can just get a crease opened for Rexy, I think we'll be fine. And, WR's running free all over the place doesn't do us much good if A) Taylor can't get them the ball or B) He does get it to them and they drop it. Weird thing is, I feel like our defense, as bad as it's been, can probably hold their own against Cousins and MSU's sporadic offense. The key to victory will be if our offense can win the battle against a very good defense. Sustained drives, no turnovers, and play calling that takes advantage of what they give us will be important. This game more than any so far will show us Beck's worth and the advancement of our offense as a whole. We need guys to make plays and execute. Hate to sound like Pelini but that really is the key this Saturday.

I been hearing from a lot of people the same couple of statements for the game this week. It seem that people feel because of MSU having four consecutive tough games and maybe because they are worn down by Wisconsin size as reasons why the win. I haven't heard to many people say we will win because we will punch them in the mouth. Its like people are hoping for a let down from them in order for us to be successful.

 

I think the same kind of things can be said for us. We have not looked particularly good at home this season. We may be on a emotionality high thinking we now have it together after dominating a team who's one win was against Miami of OH (who is currently 2 - 6)

I agree. I hate pinning my hopes for winning a game on the possible self destruction of the other team. I would feel much better about this game if I had more confidence in the Huskers (particularly the D) and was less dependent on the other team making mistakes or coming in flat. As you say, punching them in the mouth rather than simply being able to not get punched ourselves. Baby steps I guess. However, I am not one to put any stock in our Minnesota game. 41-14 might look sufficient on paper but the only thing that impressed me at all was the 34-0 halftime score. If our 2nd and 3rd teamers can't expand on that lead against Minnie, well I guess we know why our starting 11 are who they are. I have been spoiled growing up on the 70's, 80's, & 90's Huskers. A 44-14 thrashing against Minn almost feels like a loss to me. I know that is jacked up but I can't help it. We have to start controlling and dominating games rather than simply surviving them. If it helps, I am getting more confident in our chances against MSU. I started the week feeling like we'd get beat by 2-3 touchdowns and am now up to about a push. By Saturday I should be fully partaking of the Kool-Aid. We CAN do it, I'm just not convinced we WILL.

Michael Dennis & a beet farmer

Doug curtis & you know who

Connor Kruse, OL

 

Buddy from The Incredibles

Love it. Good job.

Denicos Allen and that guy from White Chicks

Thanks for the help below.

I really wanted to post the YouTube video of him singing in White Chicks but my skills bad.

Our offensive identity should be whatever it takes to stay ahead of the points our defense gives up.

Near as I can tell

We've recovered 5 fumbles and have 5 interceptions for 10 total takeaways

And we've given away 4 fumbles and 6 Int's for 10 giveaways.

Another source has us +0.2/game on takeaway/giveaway so I may have missed one takeaway somewhere.

played against Tom Rathman in HS. He was a senior and i was a Sophmore. I came in for an injured player and tackled him twice. caused 1 fumble. That was our only win of the year and their only loss of the regular season. We won 15-14 or 14-13 with a last second TD and conversion.

i remember that game very well. you are from hastings. do you remember that after the gi game we all had to sit down and eat chili together with them. i suppose it was do diffuse some of the hard feelings the two schools always seemed to have for each other. oh well.

I played for Columbus when Rathman was a senior so we would have played Hastings also. We weren't good- think we went 2-7 my senior year. Only wins coming against Kearney and I think southsioux city. We always got along well with the Hastings teams. I rem your QB, Kester, Kaiser something like that. Short stocky kid but a bit of a load when he hit you.

Tim Allen Dir of fball ops & Mr Peabody's pal Sherman

Those were good numbers for Joe in 2008 but it sure didn't translate to very much for the Huskers.

9-4 overall, 5-3 in conference.

Were never ranked the whole year.

Losses to Mizzou, TT, OU, & Va Tech

Squeeker wins against powerhouses Baylor, KU, CU, & Clemson.

I'll take a power running game over that anyday and twice on Saturdays.

 

Please. This argument is so old, especially when everyone claims it will happen every time Boise plays a 'legitimate' team, and they win almost every time. They're a better football team than Nebraska, that's for certain.

 

+1. They would hang 50 on us without a doubt.

 

I dunno. Who has Boise beat lately? They don’t play much of a regular season schedule. So far this year they beat a mediocre Georgia team—a team that just squeaked by Vandy by 4 pts last week. Last year their big win was a 3 pt win over a Va Tech team that struggled mightily at the beginning of the season (got beat by James Madison the next week. Ha ha.) In 2009 Boise beat a two-loss Oregon team the first game of the year. Oregon eventually finished 16^th and was perhaps Boise’s greatest victory. In 2008 Boise’s big win was a three-loss Oregon team that finished 17^th. In 2003-2006 they didn’t beat any ranked teams. What about Boise’s bowl games? They beat the Sooners in 2006 (Jan 1 Fiesta bowl). And that’s about it. Lost to East Carolina in 2007. Lost to TCU in 2008. Beat TCU in 2009 (Whoopie!). Beat Utah last year (double whoopee!)

 

My point is, everyone always talks about Boise like they are giant killers. But they’re not. They only play one or two marginally tough regular season games per year. And their Bowl record is okay, but nothing special. I wish Boise would get into the Big 12. They’d get pummeled a half dozen times per year. They'd have to figure out how to wash the red blood stains off of that blue field.

I don't think Boise is giant killers and I was on the no respect for them bandwagon for a long time. But, when I compare them to my favorite team (probably a mistake) I can't help but be somewhat impressed with them lately. I also believe they would struggle in the Big 12 or B1G but I sure don't think the Huskers are ready to strap it up with them yet.

2011 Georgia W 35-21 & Fresno St W 57-7

2010 Va Tech W 33-30 & Utah W 26-3

2009 Oregon W 19-8 & TCU W 17-10

They may play in a week conference and may not be world beaters but they have a knack for taking care of business. Until my team can do the saem I see no reason to disparage them. Well, except for that hideous blue field.