EngineeringHusker

On 11/3/2021 at 7:26 AM, Hedley Lamarr said:

So 6 wins is what your bar is for next year if he comes back for a 5th year? In what possible way is that improvement? All he would have to do is beat NW, North Dakota, Georgia Southern, Rutgers, Indiana and 1more team in the B1G West. Is that actually improvement? That is literally what he has done years 1-4. We would be the prettiest turd in the bowl but still a total turd. 

Agree completely. Also, who says we'd even get 6 wins with this staff? UND and Georgia southern sure. NW is always a toss up- doesn't matter if we blew them out this year. Indiana beat Frost before. Rutgers is likely a win, but a Schiano Rutgers isn't a guaranteed win- we don't really have those with Frost. 

I mean we probably could make 5 or 6. But then if you fire frost, which you totally should in that case, recruiting has bombed and you give the new coach the tougher 2023 schedule.

27 minutes ago, Jason Sitoke said:

But last year was COVID, so it doesn't count...for us anyway.

I hate when people being up covid as an excuse for Frost.

By that metric Mel Tucker is just about the greatest coach of all time. Taking over a shaky Michigan state team during covid. Being unbeaten in his second, scratch that, "first" year. Must be all of that talent and their reasonable expectations of building a program. Maybe it's their easier schedule? I mean we were on it.

We can't even make a bowl game in year four.

On 10/31/2021 at 8:37 PM, Nebhawk said:

One more area of this that needs to be discussed is our lack of talent:  People if you can't open your eyes and see that we don't have bonafide NFL players on this roster your not watching the same game I am.  Purdue has a defensive player and at least one offensive player who are no doubters.  Who on our current roster fits that bill?  Who? 

We don't and have not gotten those players on campus yet and haven't since Addullah and Gregory.   7 seasons where we haven't really mustered much on any NFL talent for the draft.  Is this player development or is it misleading recruiting stats and information?  I have heard both.  I hear that our recruiting is overinflated and really our talent level isn't actually Top 20 caliber and I hear that we have decent talent that just doesn't get better once it enters Memorial stadium..  I guess what I am saying is it all comes down to coaching.  Either we are not getting Big 10 talent or we are not developing Big 10 talent, doesn't really matter which came first, chicken or the egg.

I'd venture to say it's our talent that keeps us within one score of UM, OU, and MSU. 

Development is an issue for sure. We've had some recruiting misses for sure. But weve had players transfer and succeed- Avery Roberts, Wandale, Greg bell.  Heck, Matt Farniok made an NFL roster. All he had to do was give up our S&C to slim up and gain flexibility. He didn't exactly light it up here, but obviously had the talent and/or measurables.

Is there anybody we feel the staff, mostly talking offense here, has made better than when they started? None of the running backs. WRs, not really. JD spielman and Toure were good before. Austin Allen was gonna be an NFL player anyway. Jurgens snaps improved sure, but that should have never been an issue to start with. We've had four years of a QB who plays like a pretty good freshman. He's never progressed past the stage where a player makes sports center top 10 plays but in the same game makes some really awful ones as well- something you expect from a young up and comer, not a four year starter.

There may be somebody on offense or special teams the staff has made better, and if so please enlighten me. However, it seems that anybody who is good, is good in spite of the staff and not because of.

46 minutes ago, Savage Husker said:

Yup, I did imply that and I am wrong. There are about 6 others? Jimbo, Taggert, Cristobal, Diaz, Mullen, Frost, Kelly. I obviously misread something from earlier this year.
 

If Frost is here in ‘22 it’s because he changes up his staff and/or Alberts realizes the department was in disarray and will give Frost what he needs. 

What does Frost need that he doesn't already have? Just curious.

Big 12 was more fun.

We either need to admit we are/were rivals with Colorado or admit that in the 2000s we were to Oklahoma what we think Colorado is to us.

8 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

I wonder if anyone on this board has inside knowledge of the mood??

 

I guess how we play the first half will tell. 

You mean some of the people who say they know don't actually know?

Not sure why anybody ever puts stock into what ADs have to say about a coach during season. The current coach is always the coach they want, need, etc. ...until he's not

4 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

what position this team would be in without him. 

This is a good question, and I'm genuinely interested. What games have we won because of Adrian? Games that we couldn't have won without him.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we have had one game winning drive at the end of regulation, and it was done by Vedral.

Would we have only won 14 games rather than 16? Would we not have the close losses? I really don't know.

This probably sounds harsher than it is supposed to. This isn't supposed to be an indictment, just an honest question.

19 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

That is why I think it would be exceptionally more beneficial for a new staff to have next years schedule. Easier schedule in year one to work out kinks etc. They are able to show progress over the previous 5 years of what had been going on in Lincoln. Will look as if they are showing improvement year 1 in the W/L column. Builds excitement etc. 

This is where I'm at as well. See a lot of positives to this.

Alternatively I'm nervous that if we keep frost next year, we get somewhere between 5-7 wins, he gets another year (cause improvement), stinks it up again, and now we're 8 years removed from a good season. 

5 minutes ago, hunter49 said:

if Frost loses the last 4 games, who would take his job?

program is on the brink of disaster.

Seems like a great time. Talent is decent. Bar has been lowered. Next year's schedule is better. Seems like the prime time to be a new coach here.

1 minute ago, Undone said:

I haven't really read through this thread.

 

But I think one thing that sticks out pretty big to me that doesn't seem to have been discussed much was two things that have hurt us previously this season:

 

-Missed kicks

-Coaching decisions

 

If Culp doesn't miss that shorter FG and the extra point and Scott just decides to kick a FG on the 4th & goal from the 1, that's 7 points...and we lost the game by 7 points. Sure, our RB shouldn't have tripped on that last attempt at the power run and that one should have been a TD, but still.

 

We just find every possibly way to lose a game. 

There's always a new way. You'd think once, just once, we'd accidentally make the right call and actually pull one out. Coin flip has better odds.

51 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

They exist. Guys at P5 schools who didn't get over .500 their first 4 years, and were kept 6+ years. 

 

Dan McCarney- Iowa state

Bobby Johnson- vanderbilt

Greg Schiano- Rutgers

Bill Curry- Georgia tech

Derek Mason- Vanderbilt

Mike Stoops- Arizona

 

People can feel free to add to this list. 

I'm not that well versed on all coaches, so here's where they coached at.

Not a great lousy of schools to be compared to. Mike Stoops got 8 years to figure it out and had two 8 soon seasons. Derek Mason got 7. Curry got 7 with a single 9 win season. Johnson had 8 seasons to try. Nobody turned it around, obviously.

This list might make me feel worse...

8 hours ago, ndobney said:

Looks like coolers heads are starting going to prevail as more than 55% of the vote is for not firing Frost as it should be. There is definitely a group of people that just overreact to everything and just come on to the message boards to cry and rant. Nice to see a strong majority can think for themselves and be influenced by these individuals. 

Seems a little presumptuous to assume that anyone questioning whether Frost should stay or go obviously is overreacting. Also a little presumptuous to assume there is a correct answer to this question.

It actually seems that the most emotional have been the ones who won't consider replacing Frost.

Fortunately, nobody cares what any of us on a message board think!

I voted 0-4. Not an emotional reaction. Sure, we could win one. Not saying it couldn't happen. But, I don't see evidence saying we will. Haven't beat anyone with a pulse yet- why would we start now?

Kinda feel anyone voting for 2-2 or better is voting based on their emotional investment into Frost.

48 minutes ago, JoeHuskers! said:

This seems to be a theme around here the last decade or so, playing injured QBs. There was no reason to not bring in Smothers against Minne, while resting and getting 2AM healthy. surely 3 weeks off is better than 2 if you are trying to get back to 100% right?

Not like we won the game anyway...

Honest question. If you were an assistant coach, with no ties to Frost or the program, would you come here? I know money talks, but would it be enough?

11 hours ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

And winning nothing of significance.

But he's been close, which we now apparently judge things by. And by that standard he's been closer than frost has.

So, lots of people are saying Frost just needs to get Big10 style coordinators (although Chin seems fine). What makes that situation better than a new coach who brings better coordinators with him? Native son? Continuity? 

Just now, Kentmick said:

Shame on you. Frost has beaten 2 Big 10 teams with winning records....years ago.

I know 7-6 Minnesota in 2018. Who was the other?

What took so long to call the TD?

Just now, TonyStalloni said:

I'm afraid this team just quit. If we win another game this year I'll be shocked.

Even if they didn't quit, what shows that could or would beat anyone else left on the schedule? Our wins against buffalo, Fordham and northwestern?

Just now, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

We suck

Fixed that for ya

Just now, LumberJackSker said:

Being 1-3 vs fleck is just pathetic

Our fans will continue to trash the guy just cause he's weird. Row the boat or not, the dude owns frost

Finding new ways to lose. Just astounding

Our two minute offense stinks. Maybe our 5 minutes offense will be ok?