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5 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

There are a couple things going on here.

 

If you were entertaining the image of Mickey Joseph strangling his wife, would it change the narrative if you found out he was actually fighting with a man he caught with his wife?  Yes. Absolutely. Is one scenario more excusable than the other? Yes. Absolutely. It just is. 

 

But does it excuse Mickey for behavior we are all legally required to control? No.  Should the consequences be severe regardless of who was in the room?  Yes. Has the court of public opinion already cost Joseph millions, regardless of the legal findings still to come? Yes. What are the chances these revelations will be murky and nuanced and creepy? 100%

 

Is everyone in here wrong and right at the same time? Maybe!

 

 

 

 

I'd just change one word of the above - it wouldn't be excusable, but it would be understandable.  

Neither scenario is excusable unless this was a situation where someone was being abused or their life was at risk.  If two consenting adults were hooking up with people other than their sig others I'd say the husband/wife/friend should and would be pissed, and I'd understand they'd be angry, but it wouldn't make any sort of battery or strangulation excusable.

1 minute ago, MyBloodIsRed16 said:

Really?  Do you have kids?  I'm pretty sure if I caught someone abusing my daughter they would get strangled.  There was a story a few years back when a father caught some guy sexually abusing his daughter outside and he ended up beating the guy to death.  Was his life in danger? nope.  Did he go to jail for murder?  Also no.  Pretty sure he wouldn't go to jail if he strangled him either.  

You know what?  If we find out that there was a person violating one of Mickey's kids I'll eat my words.  Until then I stick to them.

The number of people on this thread who are defending and rationalizing this situation by outlining scenarios where you think battery and strangulation would be ok is frightening.  Truly.

2 hours ago, twofittyonred said:

yes, that is what I saying...         #thisiswhywecanthavenicethings

WOW.  Can't believe I have to type this.  

There is never a reason good enough to justify a person strangling another.  Man.  Woman.  Unless your life was in danger there is no acceptable reason for that.  And the fact that you double downed and then used the faces above - you must be a real winner.

12 minutes ago, twofittyonred said:

question,  If it comes out that this disturbance had to do with an affair by the second party, does it change the narrative..??  

Do you mean is it ok to strangle a woman if she's cheating on you?

Am I understanding your question right?  If so do you want to think about if you really, really want to say that out loud?

1 minute ago, 3gunhusker said:

which is why red flag laws are total BS.

Wut?

That's just crushing.  Damit Mickey.  That's a million dollar career gone.

41 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Interesting title from someone who likes to use the government to punish people/companies he doesn’t like. 
 

 

They certainly shaved off some of his "musculature" in his face/neck/body.  

Thanks for taking the time to contribute your thoughts (and ignore the clowns making smart remarks), he was impressive at the press conference and hit on a lot of cornhusker hot buttons.  Many doubters felt better about things after that, and I think he'll prove his worth quickly.  Your comments certainly reinforce that, will be good to have a new husker fan in PA!

1 minute ago, JJ Husker said:

I’m trying to think of a coach that doesn’t have a punchable face. I’m coming up blank.

Man I just took a look at OP's contributions here on HB- I'll take a stab in the dark and say he's had his face punched a couple times.  What a miserable person.

Runzas are crap.

1 hour ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

1) Becoming a father means more than "a wife having a baby." Maybe you're not a father, or maybe you're from a different era where your wife popped the baby out and if you were even in the room, it was back to work the next day. In today's world the father is expected to be present, to help, to take turns getting up in the middle of the night to change/ feed the baby. So hell yeah, it likely impacted his work. The sleep deprivation alone sucks. His wife didn't just "have a baby," he became a father huge freaking difference. 

 

2) Post partum is a thing. I didn't say she had it, I suggested it was possible his wife experienced post partum. My wife did, multiple friends of mine had wives who did. Its a thing every loving husband needs to be on the lookout for, and it impacts more women than many people expect.  

 

3) I listed becoming a father as ONE factor out of many that impacted his work. 

 

4) What a hypocritical post. "Unless you are her clinician thats not your place..... A more mature, less narcissistic person" I suggested a possibility. You flat out diagnosed Frost with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Apparently you are his clinician? What's more- unless you know for a FACT that the activities you mentioned happened, you are engaging in libelous behavior. 

 

5) Lastly, men are taught it is not our place to seek help. We are taught it is our job to handle our issues ourselves, while being there for everyone else in our household. And unless you've ever experienced clinically diagnosed depression, you have no idea how hard it is to "self recognize," and "find help." 

 

 

 

 

I couldn't agree more that becoming a father is more than a wife having a baby, perhaps I misread your text about that.  So apologies there, but I'll stand by everything else I typed.  

There are plenty of narcissists out there, that doesn't require a psych diagnosis and someone can be one without a "disorder".  Just like there are rude people, there are narcissists.  Having a sense of entitlement, feeling self important, taking little responsibility - that's not a medical/psych diagnosis, it's a personality trait.  So yes I'll stand by that and have no clue (nor did I make the accusation) if Scott has a disorder.  

Regarding his extracurricular activities, yes I do know that at least some of them are true, and I've known Scott for years, his MO hasn't changed a whole lot since he was in college himself so it wouldn't surprise me a whole lot if most of the rumors are true.  

I'm quite aware of how postpartum can impact women, and how many suffer.

And I can't speak to your perception that men aren't taught to ask for help. Plenty do, and I'm sad for you if you don't feel that empowerment or have that level of support.  I would have expected that a portion of the restructured contract Scott signed had some benchmarks and expectations for support of his mindset. Depression is very real for many of us.  Getting help and perspective is something that we can improve upon.  Perhaps that topic is one for another area of the board.

Well guys - good news, I went looking for trials or data at shootings and seasonality (thinking that holiday stress likely equated to higher numbers) and I was wrong!  High mass shooting season is the summer, so whew!  We're in for a breather.  

Take a read at this very short article, I found it interesting and an easy read, though there were jaw dropping comments that cemented my thoughts around the US problem.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4985111/

8 hours ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

His dad, covid, new baby at home, wife...postpartum?, trying to be home to support his new baby mama and the baby and rebuild the team, Akron getting canceled, NIL, transfer portal, the list goes on and on. At some point its quicksand that pulls you under with it. The harder you fight the faster you drown. Ultimately, I think he ended up suffering from depression. 

 

I'll say over and over. I guarantee he probably wishes he stayed at UCF for 5 more years, until the guy we would have hired in his place had failed. Just wrong time in his life to take on such a huge fix. 

Please don't do this - don't label a women as "postpartum?" just because she has a small child or two at home.  Unless you are her clinician thats not your place.  The fact that she was managing 1-3 little ones (I think they had three this final year) or the fact that she was doing it all alone because her husband was drinking and drugging and screwing coeds in addition to being the most visible man in the state plays no part in him being a failure.  

It' was a HUGE job, and like a lot of people, Scott had a lot going on personally.  In addition to his high stress job that required lots of hours and visibility, he was still choosing to spend time at places besides work or home, and in what sounds to be an "effected" state.   A more mature, less narcissistic person would have tried to find help before the inevitable crash and burn.  I'm assuming some around him personally or at work tried to get him to do this, or at least I hope he had good people in his life that recognized the state he was in.  It would have made for a softer landing for sure. 

Scott's behaviors and decisions were why he got fired, it wasn't because his wife had a baby.

This court is dirty, dirty, dirty.

6 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

If I was Trev I would so go and flip them on for an hour just to F with people.

I love how the stadium lights have become the signal like the papal enclaves' white smoke.  

1 hour ago, nic said:

Is the Manchester journal not local?

It is up there, honestly initially I was surprised it wasn't in the Boston Globe or on the news here which is why I googled cuz I hadn't heard anything about it and it happened a couple weeks ago.  Then it surprised me that it was only being covered in a few periodicals, many of them overseas and/or known conservative publications.

19 minutes ago, Ulty said:

 

Hell, in that scenario, Trump's racist comments would have ended his campaign before a single primary and we never would have worried about his presidency. Instead, that racism catapulted him to rockstar cult leader status.  

Or when he made fun of a handicapped journalist ...

Or when he sexually harassed 23+ women ... 

More to the story (of course).  https://www.ourherald.com/articles/lawsuit-takes-aim-at-school-administration/  this is the local paper in that area of Vermont.  

Seems pretty clear to me what's going on here and I feel bad for the victim of course who was targeted, but also for this poor young lady who is being used by her parents and this radical hate group, and will have to carry that load the rest of her life.  Any parent that parades their child on Tucker Carlson for this sort of stunt should be ashamed.

32 minutes ago, nic said:

In this case, a girl was suspended (the suspension was later removed after she sued) and her father was fired from coaching for objecting to a transgender male being in the locker room with her daughter. They played together on the same girls volleyball team. The daughter  was suspended for referring to this person as a dude in a classroom setting. The transgender person was not present at the time. After her suspension for bullying, a number of parents and students objected, the objection was denied, and the father went off on the situation in a local news interview. He got fired.

 

https://www.manchesterjournal.com/local-news/coach-parent-daughter-student-sue-in-federal-court-over-mixed-gender-locker-room-in-randolph/article_e5602794-59f1-11ed-9bdd-877df340d523.html?wallit_nosession=1

 

 

Crazy - this isn't all that far away from me so went to read more specifics (like the whole story) in reputable papers - only articles appear in Christian Times, Tucker, NYPost, some conservative british rags and etc.  I'll be sure to share what I can find that might have more fair balanced perspective.  But if this 'dad" was posting crap about a student on a public social media page they did the right thing in firing him.

41 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

This is going so well Twitter may be tits up by morning.  I need to go back through this thread to see who it was that had a boner that Musk had taken over or said he'd get things straightened out.  $44 billion to crash in full view of the planet?  Seems smart.  

Nah I bet you can take 1 or 2 guesses and figure out who supported him ...

Dude is revved up to - suspiciously fast talking compared to his usual pace.

I'll admit it - I totally judged them on their camo hats.

(and I was right)

Sadly that's a pretty normal high tech office and offerings.  The data show that you give stuff like this to employees you get more hours and productivity from them.  If your whole world, includign friends is at work you don't find it as easy to leave.  I work in a different industry all together, but our headquarters is embarrasingly similar.

51 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

The biggest factor in his winning in 2016 is that he was running against the absolute worst candidate the Dems could have possibly put up.  There were the people who had already fallen into the Trump cult and also people who hated Hillary so bad they were going to vote for anyone other than her.

 

That's why I have been saying it's extremely important that the Dems put a good, reasonable candidate up.

I'll come back to this since it's been awhile.

Hillary Clinton was the most experienced and qualified person that's run for president in generations.  She was considered "unlikable" by many, but it wasn't because she was a bad candidate on qualifications.  It was 1.  That she was a woman and women get viewed differently with the same skills that would be viewed as positives as men (assertive vs. b!^@hy anyone?) and 2. That she was married to Bill Clinton.  I don't buy that her stock would have risen if she had divorced him over Lewinsky.  She was a strong woman married to a man that many hated for a variety of reasons, some of which were driven by jealousy of his intelligence and ability to relate to people.  

Its just a shame that although we're moving ahead at light spead for some things in the world women are held to a different standard.  If she was a man that had her qualifications she would have trounced Trump.