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This kid has been tweeting for weeks "I know what school I'm going to attend", "Got my commitment edit", "I know where I'm committing" and all that. It's very clear he loves the attention he gets from everyone when he tweets something like that. Not saying it's a bad thing. But, it's becoming more and more clear that he's been Miss St bound all along and saw a chance to gain some followers and likes with Nebraska fans and is squeezing every ounce of that he can. That stuff kind of annoys me. Especially considering only a few weeks ago he told Rivals that "Nebraska is leading". But appears to be a lock for Starkville.

Yup. I'm hoping he doesn't pull a fast one and announce for NE - honestly I'm a bit worn out with his drama.

 

 

Stanford or Nebraska, I think, are the only two real contenders, with the rest as only intriguing options and thus, another click bait article. Which is understandable.

 

UCLA definitely belongs in there as well

Does he have a girlfriend or a sister that goes there? That's why I see them being a contender, but still think it's Stanford or Nebraska. I hope I don't eat my words.

 

He has a current girlfriend, who I think is a Freshman in High School who is being recruited there. Must be talented, she's aiming to be the youngest track olympian.

 

Soooo....why are you guys not interested in him now?

 

I think we'll be better served to court other prospects who bring less ... drama.

 

VERY well said.

Soooo....why are you guys not interested in him now?

Guy''s never been up to visit ... seems to be very excited about the home state school. Mom supposedly wants him close. Seems to be a wee bit of an attention seeker, and has been trying to get Husker fans reeled in with twitter, but I think that's about all he likes us for right now. Matter of opinion but I agree, he won't come to Lincoln. After watching his activity socially I'm more interested in the other guy ... from FL maybe?

So both OL commits share something in common, their hair color. Interesting..

Gingies get er done! Was Cav a red head back in the day? Seems like I could see that.

I love this new pick up. Looks like he's got solid pancaking technique now (love the extra "and stay down!") and looks like he could put on some weight and really be something. I think he has a younger brother too that just got his first offer from somewhere ... like how we're potentially thinking ahead on recruiting families.

 

 

 

 

Maybe NU can get the two DT's that MSU kicked off the team.

Again, why do we want another team's cast offs? If they got kicked off the team there was a reason, academically or behavior ...

 

If they are good at being DT's I really don't care if they did poorly in Econ 101.

 

And you're a teacher?

 

Nope

 

Ah, that explains the screen name then (not). Sorry, I assumed.

Honest question, not trolling - is there anyone that has been kicked off the Nebraska team in the last few years that you think, "yeah, that would be a good pick up"?

 

 

Maybe NU can get the two DT's that MSU kicked off the team.

Again, why do we want another team's cast offs? If they got kicked off the team there was a reason, academically or behavior ...

 

If they are good at being DT's I really don't care if they did poorly in Econ 101.

 

And you're a teacher?

Maybe NU can get the two DT's that MSU kicked off the team.

Again, why do we want another team's cast offs? If they got kicked off the team there was a reason, academically or behavior ...

"Good people are going to be harmed regardless of what happens." Why would this be your take away It'sNotAFakeID?

I go back to when laws were enacted to desegregate schools ... it was beyond controversial, mostly because parents at that time felt it would put their children at risk, because (gasp) white and black kids would be in the same classroom, going to the same dances, showering in the same place after gym class. How were good people harmed with that initiative? The only harm came when white people (parents and others) harmed innocent children who were just trying to go to school in order to make a point.

Bad people will always find a way to "justify" their behaviors. Talk about playing to the minority ... the defense many have given here is that we must think ahead to the handful of people who MAY (or may not) take advantage of this new rule to do bad things. I think it speaks volumes about our culture that instead of doing what's right and then dealing with the issues that MAY (or may not) come up we fight doing what's right because maybe, just maybe there will be a problem.

The real underlying problem here (in my opinion) is the lack of comfort people have with someone who is different. Do we now look at the fact that black, asian, spanish, etc and white kids all join hands at the school concert as alarming? No. Would our grandparents, probably. So I find some comfort in that each generation seems to be exposed to more and seems to be much more accepting of people in general. But the whole debate surrounding this being an issue of safety is bunk. It's us. We are afraid. Not of safety but of change and of things we don't know.

Now if in a year there is a surge in bathroom assaults and harm is being done to people by transgender folks or by people who use that as an excuse then perhaps my perspective could be changed because it would be fact based. But (to close out my diatribe), I wonder did we see an increase in crimes when blacks were allowed to use the same bathrooms as whites? Because sadly, the feeling at that time was allowing them to do so would expose women and children to savages and put them at risk. Sound familiar?

And, JJ, I want to ditto Landlords comments, "... I appreciate your thoughts and posture in this thread. You've definitely got a more conservative slant than I do, but it isn't lacking compassion or a willingness to learn and look outside the box, which we all could benefit to do better with."

JJ, just want to say I appreciate your thoughts and posture in this thread. You've definitely got a more conservative slant than I do, but it isn't lacking compassion or a willingness to learn and look outside the box, which we all could benefit to do better with.

 

The "a bit off" element you're referring to with TG people is called gender dysphoria, which is an actual diagnosis of the unease/dissatisfaction that people have with their gender or sex at birth. It can come from a TON of different factors at play, but it's a struggle that those people have in common.

 

 

 

Now not to necessarily switch sides on this, but here's the two things that I don't quite understand or can't get entirely on board with logically when it comes to transgenderism.

 

First, gender dysphoria is essentially a lack of compatibility between one's sex and the gender they feel they identify with. The way I see this there are exactly two reconciling treatments for this: 1. Change your mind to match your body 2. Change your body to match your mind. Why, in 2016, is mutilating sex organs and pumping full of non-native hormones the only celebrated, loving, and 'good' solution, while the suggestion of going through therapy and counseling to get the mental state to match up with the biological state considered to be such a bigoted, barbaric idea? I think both could have merit in different scenarios, but especially when you get to the realization that biology ISN'T a social construct, it isn't relative, and it isn't unreliable. Our brains, however, are full of all kinds of detrimental, self-harming, inefficient neural pathways.

 

The other thing I don't really get is this. People who end up transitioning genders often do so out of a lifelong struggle from childhood of feeling pressured to fit into a narrow gender binary. So, the lesson being that the gender binary is bad, right? Isn't the solution to getting rid of this human-made construct to break down the binary, and isn't transitioning to the other gender only reinforcing the binary? If I have a son who likes to play dress up, likes playing with Barbies, is very affectionate and tender, and what some would call effeminate, isn't the best thing to do to simply go, "Cool. This is my sweet, affectionate boy who likes what he likes and is who he is."?

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think transitioning is the only "celebrated" option. I think as a general rule people want others to be happy and content. If that's assisted by counseling because one wants to get more comfortable in their own body - great! If it is assisted by allowing one to evolve into the physical embodiment of what they feel - great! It really doesn't impact anybody but that person and potentially their family.

Now on the binary comment, I don't think that's bad either - it is what it is. But it is NEVER going to change because the majority of people are fortunate to feel like they look, and content to be labeled as such, and it's for some reason an important thing for culture to be able to bucket people into categories. It would be great if we could just be who we are without classification.

On your example - YES! He is your child and regardless of what he plays with he likes what he likes and is who he is. Now if he came to you down the road and said, "Mom/Dad, I have been tender and loved Barbies for my entire life, and I've been struggling because although I was physically born a male, I really feel female and I'd like to live as such" - cool. If he grows up to be an effeminate male that feels male - cool. Either way he is still your tender loving child.

To add a wrench into this entire binary conversation, there is a population of folks that doesn't feel one or the other distinctly, or feels both depending on the day and situation (gender fluidity) so they buck the binary system ...

 

 

 

 

Is anyone going to address the trans species issue? I know why it is being avoided but I want someone who supports this lunacy to explain to me how it is really any different. How many years before Target installs litter boxes in the facilities for their customer's identity comfort?

You're ridiculous.

That very well might be (at least the litter box comment) but I very seriously would like it explained to me how gender identity issues are significantly different than species identity issues. Truly and seriously, I'm not trolling this subject. You've called one ridiculous and you think the other needs special accommodations made for it. I personally don't think a person with species confusion thinks they are ridiculous. It is a very real thing, I actually knew a girl my daughter attended elementary school with who thought and claimed and at times acted like she was a fox (no, not the hot babe type of fox). It was awkward for the other kids and caused her to be somewhat of an outcast, subjected to ridicule, etc. A very real situation. On the otherhand, I do not know personally one transgender or person with a gender identity issue.

 

So I really do want to know what is the difference between accommodating for this girls identity issues as opposed to someone with a gender identity issue?

 

If you think it is really that ridiculous, then simply don't reply.

 

I can't speak to species identity issues, as it's not something that I've heard about or am familiar with, my reaction was to the dramatic way you commented (which I think was your goal). If I had to wager I'm fairly sure that would fall into a mental diagnosis and I can imagine that to be a difficult situation for all involved. As far as accommodating, I'm sure that they didn't send this child outside to go to the bathroom or etc, but just like when any handicapped person (mental or physical) is in a school every effort is made to insure that that child is respected, given the resources they need and the teachers' difficult job is to make sure they are treated fairly - tough with school children I'm sure. The difference is that transgenderism is not a handicap. Just like being gay is not a handicap or being tall is not a handicap, or being from Iowa is not (or is it?) a handicap.

 

I think if you read some of the articles by parents of children who are transgendered or watch documentaries or meet families who are involved you'd be surprised to hear how easily kids adapt to each other, and that the bigger problem with acceptance comes with the parents. Kids are not born biased or prejudiced or afraid of someone who is different. A 5 year old tells the other kid at the table he's a boy and that's that. (I'd be happy to recommend some reading/viewing material if you're interested.)

 

I am not debating your philosophy on bathroom risk and etc. I think several days ago we agreed to disagree on that. Also I think (very rationally) you said a week or so ago and you mention here that exposure to different sorts of people is often a factor in ones opinion on issues such as this. I moved from Nebraska to the east coast more than 20 years ago, and I don't know that back then I would have been so open minded, or that I'd be spending time defending the normalcy of something that doesn't directly impact me in any way. But now I know, live and work with all sorts -the founder of my company is a transgender woman who transitioned very late in life, and I live near another transgender woman. I'm sure that the opportunity to get to know people, and to realize they're no different than me (or you) has allowed me to make a quicker move toward acceptance.

 

I'm a firm believe that history repeats itself, and I see many parallels between race relations in the 60's and the gay rights struggles of the 90's. I also see similarities between transgender issues of today and both of those (as well as prejudice against jews in WW2 but that's another thread) ... and we should be learning from our past. People are people. Everybody deserves to be comfortable in their own skin - and should be respected and treated fairly. It's frustrating to me that we're not adapting more quickly to treating folks as they deserve to be treated.

 

When it comes down to it people have made a mountain out of a mole hill with this issue (5 pages of debate here!). It's simply not something that is going to be a noticed problem - as you made mention above, transgendered women will use the women's room without issue regardless of how far they've gone surgically in their transition and it will be fine. People may notice if they don't wash their hands but they won't notice if they used to be a man.

 

Wow...wow...wow...wow...wow.

 

Your point?

 

 

Is anyone going to address the trans species issue? I know why it is being avoided but I want someone who supports this lunacy to explain to me how it is really any different. How many years before Target installs litter boxes in the facilities for their customer's identity comfort?

You're ridiculous.

That very well might be (at least the litter box comment) but I very seriously would like it explained to me how gender identity issues are significantly different than species identity issues. Truly and seriously, I'm not trolling this subject. You've called one ridiculous and you think the other needs special accommodations made for it. I personally don't think a person with species confusion thinks they are ridiculous. It is a very real thing, I actually knew a girl my daughter attended elementary school with who thought and claimed and at times acted like she was a fox (no, not the hot babe type of fox). It was awkward for the other kids and caused her to be somewhat of an outcast, subjected to ridicule, etc. A very real situation. On the otherhand, I do not know personally one transgender or person with a gender identity issue.

 

So I really do want to know what is the difference between accommodating for this girls identity issues as opposed to someone with a gender identity issue?

 

If you think it is really that ridiculous, then simply don't reply.

 

I can't speak to species identity issues, as it's not something that I've heard about or am familiar with, my reaction was to the dramatic way you commented (which I think was your goal). If I had to wager I'm fairly sure that would fall into a mental diagnosis and I can imagine that to be a difficult situation for all involved. As far as accommodating, I'm sure that they didn't send this child outside to go to the bathroom or etc, but just like when any handicapped person (mental or physical) is in a school every effort is made to insure that that child is respected, given the resources they need and the teachers' difficult job is to make sure they are treated fairly - tough with school children I'm sure. The difference is that transgenderism is not a handicap. Just like being gay is not a handicap or being tall is not a handicap, or being from Iowa is not (or is it?) a handicap.

I think if you read some of the articles by parents of children who are transgendered or watch documentaries or meet families who are involved you'd be surprised to hear how easily kids adapt to each other, and that the bigger problem with acceptance comes with the parents. Kids are not born biased or prejudiced or afraid of someone who is different. A 5 year old tells the other kid at the table he's a boy and that's that. (I'd be happy to recommend some reading/viewing material if you're interested.)

I am not debating your philosophy on bathroom risk and etc. I think several days ago we agreed to disagree on that. Also I think (very rationally) you said a week or so ago and you mention here that exposure to different sorts of people is often a factor in ones opinion on issues such as this. I moved from Nebraska to the east coast more than 20 years ago, and I don't know that back then I would have been so open minded, or that I'd be spending time defending the normalcy of something that doesn't directly impact me in any way. But now I know, live and work with all sorts -the founder of my company is a transgender woman who transitioned very late in life, and I live near another transgender woman. I'm sure that the opportunity to get to know people, and to realize they're no different than me (or you) has allowed me to make a quicker move toward acceptance.

I'm a firm believe that history repeats itself, and I see many parallels between race relations in the 60's and the gay rights struggles of the 90's. I also see similarities between transgender issues of today and both of those (as well as prejudice against jews in WW2 but that's another thread) ... and we should be learning from our past. People are people. Everybody deserves to be comfortable in their own skin - and should be respected and treated fairly. It's frustrating to me that we're not adapting more quickly to treating folks as they deserve to be treated.

When it comes down to it people have made a mountain out of a mole hill with this issue (5 pages of debate here!). It's simply not something that is going to be a noticed problem - as you made mention above, transgendered women will use the women's room without issue regardless of how far they've gone surgically in their transition and it will be fine. People may notice if they don't wash their hands but they won't notice if they used to be a man.

Is anyone going to address the trans species issue? I know why it is being avoided but I want someone who supports this lunacy to explain to me how it is really any different. How many years before Target installs litter boxes in the facilities for their customer's identity comfort?

You're ridiculous.

Yeah - I don't see him de-committing ...

If AL couldn't figure out a way to keep him or help him why would we want to take on the risk/headache? Gone before playing a down screams trouble to me.

Two suggestions:

 

- Add an Ignore Thread option.

 

- If I have a poster on ignore, ignore the threads that poster starts.

 

Both help clean up the thread feed nicely, and helps keep one out of threads you shouldn't or don't want to be in.

 

I've seen this on other forums, so I'm hoping it's easy to implement these here.

PLEASE allow or explain the option to ignore threads ... I don't come here for "Jugs".

Serious question here completely unrelated..is there a way to mute someone on this board? I've seen people mention it before but I can't seem to find a button or anything.

Similarly - is there a way to mute certain threads?

Tuscaloosa Alabama would be a culture shock to him from Calabasas California. Plus he visited there twice already right? And his best friend is going to be the QB at Nebraska. And he loves Mike Riley... Talk about a difference between Nick Saban (never encourage a player or say good job, ride them super hard). One of my clients son's played for Saban and said nobody likes him but everybody respects the heck out of him and does what he says. KJJ wanted a father figure he could trust. He trusts Coach Riley. I don't see his dad allowing him to decommission and switch with the relationship he and Mike have. But these coaches aren't allowed to meet with kids right now. They are meeting with the coaches and happen to say hi to the kids as they come by. My fear is that Bama is gonna ty to pull Gebbia and KJJ away as a package deal. The Hawaiian kid they just got at QB wasn't their #1. Gebbia would fit their offense and KJJ likes a power offense like Bama runs. I wish he would just tell them to stop and shut it down.

I think we're solid with Key - for a number of reasons, some of which you've noted. I think rather than hope they stop visiting and talking to him we look at it as: 1. a great way for other non committed athletes not given a look otherwise to potentially get noticed 2. If it's meant to be, it will only solidify his choice.

I firmly believe that with every conversation and comment Riley, Williams and NE will only look better to both Key and Tristan. I think both kids are FULLY committed. I see a level of leadership and maturity with both that is very impressive. If nothing else their parents have monitored them, or taught them the right way to ride this wave. I can't say that about many of the others that I see poking around with programs while committed to others. There's little he can do if coaches come to school.

See...it's working

Speaking of working, you know who is working? Not immigrants. Most Americans work hard, but of all Americans I work the hardest. I will make the mexicans work hard to build a wall. A gigantic, beautiful wall. The most incredible wall you've ever seen. And I've seen a lot of walls. I've probably built more walls than you have seen. Have you seen Megan/Hillary/John McCain/Ben Carlson/Chris Christie/Carly Fiorna/Jeb Bush/"insert name here", a disaster. Disasters are huge. My hands are huge. My hands are beautiful and huge and incredible.

 

Wait...are people pretending like alpha-dogs are not a real thing? Come on...

 

Now...non-alphas will reply to this...True Alphas will ignore it...

 

Can't wait to see what happens...

You're a moron. I'm great! Everybody loves me!

 

Well I'm the greatest. A lot of people try to be great, but I am. It takes an awesome person to be so great and that's me. I work hard, the hardest and because of that I'm great. And I have great hair. Fantastic hair. It takes a lot of hard work and hairspray to get this hair, but hairspray today isn't as great as it used to be-if I spray hairspray in my apartment it doesn't deplete the ozone. Environmentalists are idiots, so are women, and minorities. They wish they were as great as me.

 

 

 

Is that the appeal? Trump positions himself as "the alpha" and all the wannabe alphas out there idolize him for it? I guess that makes some sense.

 

I kind of wish there could be a real conversation without all the hyperbole. It's obvious that a lot of people who are against Trump only read articles and watch news casts that are completely biased and then just regurgitate the garbage they read or hear.

 

I don't believe he ever wanted to run for president. He was in several interviews throughout the past couple decades and they asked him if he ever would run. His answer pretty much every time was essentially "I wouldn't run unless our country got bad enough that I felt like I had to."

 

I guess I find it hard to follow some peoples' interpretation that he's in it for selfish reasons.

 

Your candidate prevents a real conversation. Did you actually watch any of the debates?

 

I REALLY wish he would actually talk about issues but he very very seldom ever does and when he does, he proves he has absolutely no clue what he is doing.

 

Attacking people is what has worked for him and why he keeps doing it.

 

Why won't his followers demand that he actually talk about issues instead of attack people personally?

 

 

 

Or...are we back to the Alpha thing?

 

 

Like it or not, "the alpha thing" is sales and business. And running the country is essentially being the CEO of the largest business in the world. You have a right to see it how you feel you want to, but I feel like I've done my part in this thread to help talk about Trump in a more subjective manner rather than simply listening to the propaganda that's out there regarding him.

 

I keep hearing "he never talks about specifics" about Trump. First off, what other candidate have you heard actually say what they are going to do? I tried hearing what Cruz was proposing, but he's exactly like Hillary in the fact that they say whatever they feel like they need to say in order to appease the audience they're talking to. I respect Sanders for being an outsider who's going up against the establishment, as well as his integrity, but I truly believe his policies would be the nail in the coffin of America's once-great economy. So to get back on track, I've heard Trump be the MOST consistent AND (admittedly) controversial with the things he says, but most of the time, he's completely right.

 

And I know exactly why he's getting brutalized by public opinion. It's because in our society, we're taught that rich people are evil, and then people turn around and applaud mediocrity. I don't get it personally, but it is what it is right now, and I hope it changes.

 

 

 

Is that the appeal? Trump positions himself as "the alpha" and all the wannabe alphas out there idolize him for it? I guess that makes some sense.

I kind of wish there could be a real conversation without all the hyperbole. It's obvious that a lot of people who are against Trump only read articles and watch news casts that are completely biased and then just regurgitate the garbage they read or hear.

 

I don't believe he ever wanted to run for president. He was in several interviews throughout the past couple decades and they asked him if he ever would run. His answer pretty much every time was essentially "I wouldn't run unless our country got bad enough that I felt like I had to."

 

I guess I find it hard to follow some peoples' interpretation that he's in it for selfish reasons.

 

I'm mostly funnin' with you, but you know that.

 

I agree: I don't think Trump ever really intended to run for president. To this day I cannot for the life of me figure out why he would want the job, other than some ego thing. He's got more money than he knows what to do with, he's a household name and reasonably well-liked (outside the political sphere, before all the quotes he's dropped in the last year), and he's doing nothing but alienating the very party he needs to actually get anything done in office. It doesn't seem like a real presidential run, and hasn't right up to the point where he secured enough delegates for an uncontested convention. Mostly I think he did this as a lark, much like his past "presidential runs," and he just let it fly from the hip. That struck a chord with enough people - and the Republican party is in such disarray - that he's done gone and won the thing.

 

I'm concerned that, were he to win the presidency, he'd do very little governing and do a lot more kvetching than he is now. I'm afraid that two years into a Trump presidency we'll look back at the Obama presidency as "that time when congress actually got along with the White House."

 

I think both Trump and America stand to lose badly if he gets the nomination. He'll be the first president since Nixon ousted from office before his term ends.

 

 

Thanks for the response. I'll disagree that he's doing it to stroke his ego. I think he is a legitimately caring individual who has a very strange and brash way of showing it. That will probably make some people laugh, but that's what I see as the motive for his run as president. If it were for personal reasons, he wouldn't be using all of his own personal and company money to fund his campaign. Just recently he talked about the decision he was going to have to make to either sell one of his buildings or take some money from Super PACs. That tells me a lot about his motive.

 

I'll potentially agree with you on the part about Congress and Trump butting heads. It's absolutely going to happen, because the magnitude of departmental cuts that will happen in a Trump presidency will be glorious (IMO). In general, people want to avoid change at all costs, and I understand that, because that's primal instinct in our brains. But the difference in my opinion is that I believe that after the smoke clears after all that happens, people will settle in to the changes and we will be better off.

 

Will our foreign relations be warm and fuzzy? Absolutely not, but trade with foreign countries is a negotiation that we've been getting absolutely obliterated on for decades now, and it needs fixed.

 

You're right - this did make me laugh. Really hard. Still laughing as I reread it.

I actually saw the NC law in an article now. Why the hell are the media (and in turn, us) obsessing over the bathroom part? Um, this part is just a tad more important:

 

"It also stops cities from passing anti-discrimination ordinances to protect gay and transgender people."

 

This is worse than the Nebraska (or maybe it was just Omaha) version but it reminds me of the law Ron Brown fought by using his weight saying he lived at Memorial Stadium. The one where gays just wanted protection from being fired solely for being gay.

I heard an interview today and said the "law" was drafted and they only gave 10 mins or something to call folks in to the session, they had zero time to review prior to voting, and in retrospect no time to prepare a rebuttal or push back or questions. Obviously the bathroom issue is a tiny bit of the overall ruling which is just embarrassing.

Didn't commit like he sort of wanted to this weekend to MSU. Mom apparently told him he needs to wait until his Senior year so he can take all of his visits. 247 thinks this ups our chances.

Interesting - I thought it was mom keeping his close to home. She sounds like she's thinking about his long term future. A good sign for us. (imho)

I don't understand why the NCAA would grant them relief. The penalty should have been death or a minimum of 15 year ban in all NCAA sports. There is no question that Paterno and all the coaches and staff (Hell, everybody around the place would of or should of known) were well aware. Anytime a well known football coach has little boys (not his own) hanging around with him in the offices, lockers and showers, going on trips out of town to hotels, etc, you have to ask questions, even though the answers should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. This goes on for decades!

 

Paterno knew full well what was going on and did nothing or even worse was a participant as well. My understanding of these 'types' is they tend to associate and work together (i.e. hunt in packs). They are evil predators and there is no acceptance, understanding or forebearance for this stuff. Stop it - immediately. Instead, Paterno, the adminstration and staff facilitated, covered and turned a blind eye and deaf ears (there must have been screaming and suffering). Whole thing makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. What kind of sick society do we have that tolerates all this crap.?

HuskerLaw I've disagreed with some of the other folks here who beat up on you a bit, because I felt that at least your comments were based in fact, but this post is nutty. Did Paterno know? Maybe. Was it enabling if he did - probably. But to leap to him being a participant is nuts. To think people were hearing screams and choosing not to do anything is nuts. Did Paterno deserve to be interviewed and investigated - yes. The idea that "these people work in packs" is ridiculous. If you've done any research at all the reason they're able to continue to abuse is that they isolate, themselves and the victims.

Now the rest of your comments are valid, but the dramatic stuff lessons it's effect.