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"What about sex offenders? Those that have already been charged with possessing child porn, sexual assault, etc...How do we keep THEM from abusing this policy?"

How do we monitor or keep them from doing so now?

 

You know today I was in Target and, for those of you who don't know, I have a medical condition that can cause me to have to relieve myself on extremely short notice. Believe it or not, I'm not making this up. Seriously (at least so far in the story anyway-now onto the part that may or may not be factual) So anyway, there I am in aisle 6 at Target, way on the opposite end of the store from the restrooms, and I begin feeling extremely uncomfortable very quickly. Knowing that I faced a long excruciatingly painful run across the store and that Target does not want any of their guests to feel uncomfortable in the least, I dropped trousers and left a steamer right there in the middle of aisle 6. To my surprise and dismay an associate called the manager over and he asked me to leave the store and never return. Based on this discussion so far, I'm pretty sure I have a lock of a discrimination case. Can anyone point me in the direction of the correct government agency that will handle this for me? Those bastards were not understanding or accommodating at all. And to top it off, some of the customers were pointing and laughing and a few made rather rude comments. I have a diagnosed medical condition for godsakes. Discrimination. I was simply doing what felt most comfortable for me.

Are you so upset that you can't marry a dog or some other four legged animals because the gays can now marry each other? I mean, I'm sure you do love Fido

 

WTF?

 

Now why people are disappointed with the Pats, if I were a FB player, especially a defensive one I'd want to play for the best. And nobody can argue that Bellicek is it. He's the Coach dub of pro football. Valentine must have showed some innate skills and potential to get on his radar, and I expect he'll do amazing things under this program. What a great opportunity (I can't say I feel that way about Dallas)

Did you just compare Coach Williams to Bill Belichek? I like Coach Williams, but Belichek is one of the top 2 or 3 football coaches in NFL history. I know Coach Williams is young, but let's have him accomplish things before making that comparison.

 

Obviously it was a loose one - my point being there's no better than Bellichek to learn from (made a quick edit as there was a typo that could be misinterpreted in the initial post), especially in a defensive position period. And that right now Coach Dub has a great reputation for teaching, enough that pros come back to train with him rather than their own position coach during breaks. Not sure why you'd take a comment that is positive and realistic for everyone involved and use it as motivation to come at me. I'm psyched that he's coming to New England. He'll do great things.

Now why people are disappointed with the Pats, if I were a FB player, especially a defensive one I'd want to play for the best. And Bellicek is it. He's the Coach dub of pro football. Valentine must have showed some innate skills and potential to get on his radar, and I expect he'll do amazing things under this program. What a great opportunity (I can't say I feel that way about Dallas)

 

Yeah, part of equal protection for different people means *not* recognizing the right to discriminate.

It means having to accept that discriminatory wishes will be done away with in this country, rather than codified. That's part of America's deal.

What "rights" of these trans people are being trampled now? They can use public restrooms, no? Or, they can choose to largely avoid public restrooms in most cases, just like most sane people do. Call me crazy, a person with a penis is a man in my mind. Is it really discriminatory to expect them to use the same facilities as all other people with penis'? Really, that's discrimination?

 

This actually makes me look forward to the day I'll be 6 feet under. People cra cra nowadays. We're just inventing ridiculous ways to create special interests anx to label thinges as discriminitory. Objective truth just doesn't seem to matter anymore. People with vaginas aren't women I guess, they're simply whatever sex they feel like identifying with on any particular day. Unbelievable this is something that needs attention.

 

Someone please post some articles of how these people are being harmed by using the restroom their birth sex indicates. If it's not supposed to be a big deal for the majority of society to accept members of the opposite sex in the restroom with them, why/how is it such a big problem for the few to "feel out of place"? I'm pretty sure trans people have much bigger problems to deal with than which restroom they use in public. Besides that, who is patrolling restroom use anyway. If you're a man abut look, dress and act like woman, go ahead and use the damn women's room. Nobody is gonna know anyway....unless you're going to pee standing up but that sure isn't very lady like behavior now is it? Oops, was that politically incorrect to say?

 

Point of clarity here - that would potentially settle things (or I suppose stir things up even more).

It sounds to me what you describe and have issue with is cross dressing. Where a man who identifies as a man is dressed as a woman (or vice versa). In that I case I COMPLETELY agree that they should be in the bathroom that aligns to their plumbing.

When one starts talking about Transgenders or Transsexuals it's a very different scenario. These folks sometimes have genetic reasons behind the lack of gender clarity or physiological reasons on top of the emotional feelings that they are not in the right body. For example, they feel like a man in everything they do in every situation they are in. They live their daily lives as a man, are known by their boss as a man and etc. They may or may not have yet had surgeries to alter anything, and those may or may not be in their future. I have zero issue with this person using the mens room in a public place. He is a man. He may be having future procedures that will give him more structural appearance of a man, but there is little doubt in my mind that he is a man already.

 

 

 

 

Maybe I feel uncomfortable sharing a restroom with blonde haired people. Should I expect things to be changed to cater to my quirks?

No. Blonde haired people should be able to use gendered public restrooms according to how they identify, same as you. And same as transgendered people. No matter how many other people have a problem with it.

 

Equal protection under the law.

Where is the equal protection for my wife and daughter to not be subjected to using a restroom with a man? I guess they dont count.

Wouldn't it be karma if your daughter tells you she doesn't really feel like a girl when she gets older? Does that change things in your head at all? She does count. As a girl now, as a woman later, as a woman who might genetically be a man whenever. Everybody counts and should be protected. Everybody.

Not karma at all and not a problem at all. I will love her no matter what. But, I still would tell her she needs to use the ladies room in public because she was born a girl, is a girl, and she should not make other people uncomfortable because of her issues. I'm pretty darned sure she would agree with me. In fact I'll ask her here in a bit and get a direct answer.

 

Well if I'd be uncomfortable with anything, it would be a transgendered woman living as a man coming in to the ladies room. I don't know, nor do I care what sex you were born. It just doesn't matter to me. It doesn't matter if you stand or sit to pee. And, I cringe when you say "issues". Do you really think that these folks choose to go through life with this sort of challenge? Who would want to be talked about and acted out against willingly? You would not want your daughter to be treated any differently. As a parent I know it's heartbreaking just to have your kid get hurt feelings by their friends leaving them out of activities. As a girl you're going to have to see her go through so much turmoil that's related to how people see her and treat her. BTW - I'm appreciating the cordial conversation about this rather than some of the other abrasive bullying tactics that happen on this board, so thank you.

He seems pretty excited about "Just D" today and I would wager we get his All"N" soon.

I think Isaiah Johnson is next ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is funny. People trying to solve a problem, that really isn't a problem, by coming up with all kinds of strange and expensive ideas. Is there really a problem in telling everyone, trans people included, that they are to use the restroom indicated by the plumbing they were born with? It has worked well for a long, long time, doesn't cost anything extra, and doesn't make the vast majority of people uncomfortable. Do we really need to cater to, what is it, something like .3% of the population? I say we make this just another one of "their" issues that they have to learn to deal with. Really, it's getting just plain ridiculous at this point.

Why don't we simply let them use the bathroom that they are most comfortable with? Running into a trans man in the restroom is really such a big issue for you?

No, but running into a trans man in the restroom IS a problem for my wife and daughter and most every woman I have talked to about this. I'm just tired of 99% of the people being hammered into submission by the weird fringes of society. They are the ones with the identity problems. I say we let them continue dealing with it without impacting our lives. If this is the biggest of their problems, I would say it's not that big of a problem anyway. What makes more sense? Expecting 319,000,000 people to change and feel uncomfortable or expecting 900,000 to still maybe feel a little out of place? My bet is they feel a little strange no matter which restroom they use.

I think that's more of a reflection of the people you associate with than the greater population. They're not weird, they're not "fringes" (sorry- surprise! They're everywhere!) They have ZERO identity problems. You have a problem with their identity. Your problem not theirs.

L O L.

Thanks for that, I hadn't laughed out loud like that at all yet today.

And btw, I'm not the hater you think I am (not that I particularly care what anyone thinks). I have zero problem with people who have identity issues. I have zero problem with people who choose to undergo sex change procedures. What I have a problem with is people who are actually men using women's restrooms in non-emergency situations. If some trans man or woman or it wants to come take crap next to me in Target, I don't give a flying rip. I might let lose a flying rip though.

Hey - I don't think you're a hater ... just think that certain topics make some uncomfortable, and this is one. Really the problem people have is with creepy people being in bathrooms that may be looking at you or your children or your family members in a way that's in appropriate. I guess where I get frustrated is folks that think a transgender person fits that bill. There are far more issues with creeps that 'have the right plumbing" going into a bathroom for the wrong reasons than any transgender doing so. It's fair to be worried about safety - it's unfair to say it's one particular type of person that is the one to worry about.

To be honest, the real, honest to goodness trans people are not the ones that concern me at all. But this opens the door to all the sexual deviants and criminals to get through that door by simply claiming they have "identity issues". If this gets widely adopted and accepted, how do you stop those people? I realize pedophile men can share a public restroom with young boys right now but at least we are aware of it and it is at least a little limited in scope. But if we throw the doors open in both rooms for anyone, I think it is just begging for more problems than exist now.

 

That's fair - I'm not yet a parent, so I am asking this as a sincere question (don't want it to be misinterpreted as sarcasm). Is there ever a time that you allow your daughter to go into a Target (or other public bathroom) by herself? I think most parents that are expressing concern about this, are also the sort of involved parent that are cautious and careful and likely not allowing that anyway. I think many uneducated people who are not exposed to much socially are using the "it's a risk to our children" alarm is a distraction for their own lack of comfort. (BTW, I am a woman, so the whole man, woman safety thing is one that I live with daily - I live around, work with and have been in bathrooms with transgendered folks and it simply isn't an issue that deserves this much attention).

 

 

Maybe I feel uncomfortable sharing a restroom with blonde haired people. Should I expect things to be changed to cater to my quirks?

No. Blonde haired people should be able to use gendered public restrooms according to how they identify, same as you. And same as transgendered people. No matter how many other people have a problem with it.

 

Equal protection under the law.

Where is the equal protection for my wife and daughter to not be subjected to using a restroom with a man? I guess they dont count.

 

Wouldn't it be karma if your daughter tells you she doesn't really feel like a girl when she gets older? Does that change things in your head at all? She does count. As a girl now, as a woman later, as a woman who might genetically be a man whenever. Everybody counts and should be protected. Everybody.

 

 

 

 

This is funny. People trying to solve a problem, that really isn't a problem, by coming up with all kinds of strange and expensive ideas. Is there really a problem in telling everyone, trans people included, that they are to use the restroom indicated by the plumbing they were born with? It has worked well for a long, long time, doesn't cost anything extra, and doesn't make the vast majority of people uncomfortable. Do we really need to cater to, what is it, something like .3% of the population? I say we make this just another one of "their" issues that they have to learn to deal with. Really, it's getting just plain ridiculous at this point.

Why don't we simply let them use the bathroom that they are most comfortable with? Running into a trans man in the restroom is really such a big issue for you?

No, but running into a trans man in the restroom IS a problem for my wife and daughter and most every woman I have talked to about this. I'm just tired of 99% of the people being hammered into submission by the weird fringes of society. They are the ones with the identity problems. I say we let them continue dealing with it without impacting our lives. If this is the biggest of their problems, I would say it's not that big of a problem anyway. What makes more sense? Expecting 319,000,000 people to change and feel uncomfortable or expecting 900,000 to still maybe feel a little out of place? My bet is they feel a little strange no matter which restroom they use.

I think that's more of a reflection of the people you associate with than the greater population. They're not weird, they're not "fringes" (sorry- surprise! They're everywhere!) They have ZERO identity problems. You have a problem with their identity. Your problem not theirs.

L O L.

Thanks for that, I hadn't laughed out loud like that at all yet today.

 

And btw, I'm not the hater you think I am (not that I particularly care what anyone thinks). I have zero problem with people who have identity issues. I have zero problem with people who choose to undergo sex change procedures. What I have a problem with is people who are actually men using women's restrooms in non-emergency situations. If some trans man or woman or it wants to come take crap next to me in Target, I don't give a flying rip. I might let lose a flying rip though.

 

Hey - I don't think you're a hater ... just think that certain topics make some uncomfortable, and this is one. Really the problem people have is with creepy people being in bathrooms that may be looking at you or your children or your family members in a way that's in appropriate. I guess where I get frustrated is folks that think a transgender person fits that bill. There are far more issues with creeps that 'have the right plumbing" going into a bathroom for the wrong reasons than any transgender doing so. It's fair to be worried about safety - it's unfair to say it's one particular type of person that is the one to worry about.

Two latest CB predictions are for Wazzu. I'm gonna guess he's ending up there.

I'm with you.

 

 

This is funny. People trying to solve a problem, that really isn't a problem, by coming up with all kinds of strange and expensive ideas. Is there really a problem in telling everyone, trans people included, that they are to use the restroom indicated by the plumbing they were born with? It has worked well for a long, long time, doesn't cost anything extra, and doesn't make the vast majority of people uncomfortable. Do we really need to cater to, what is it, something like .3% of the population? I say we make this just another one of "their" issues that they have to learn to deal with. Really, it's getting just plain ridiculous at this point.

Why don't we simply let them use the bathroom that they are most comfortable with? Running into a trans man in the restroom is really such a big issue for you?

No, but running into a trans man in the restroom IS a problem for my wife and daughter and most every woman I have talked to about this. I'm just tired of 99% of the people being hammered into submission by the weird fringes of society. They are the ones with the identity problems. I say we let them continue dealing with it without impacting our lives. If this is the biggest of their problems, I would say it's not that big of a problem anyway. What makes more sense? Expecting 319,000,000 people to change and feel uncomfortable or expecting 900,000 to still maybe feel a little out of place? My bet is they feel a little strange no matter which restroom they use.

 

I think that's more of a reflection of the people you associate with than the greater population. They're not weird, they're not "fringes" (sorry- surprise! They're everywhere!) They have ZERO identity problems. You have a problem with their identity. Your problem not theirs.

There are so many horrible, unaware people out there that hate because someone's not like them. 97% of the time these yahoo's wouldn't even know if a transexual was in a bathroom with them.

So weird. Names a top 4 10 days ago and then committed to a team outside of it...

Probably not an academic all american.

ummmm - yeah I think it is.

Wondering if that station is perhaps on the west coast? Listed as an ESPN station affiliate. That would make more sense.

I heard 9am to be announced via radio and then one of his local OK Newspapers says 1pm CST via Twitter. Kid's gonna have us hanging all day!!

Wondering what everybody's thoughts are on the fact that D is announcing via radio station (according to his Twitter) and that Mike Booker, Jamel Williams will also be on the show ... I'm pretty sure he's ours, but does this make it a lock?

McKeown dropped a CB for NU.

Love to hear that!

This is a great overview! Thanks for sharing it.

If that was mean and condescending, I would hate to see what a personal attack would look like.

Just think that one can make a point and discuss topics here without telling another person to leave.

And GBRFAN, I can not speak for the other two profiles, but I am a solo act. Guess my tone is just not one that's appreciated on this board.

 

 

 

Certainly we have a chance. We have a chance with about 50% of recruits I'd say. There are a certain number who are destinged to go a certain place (family, history, location, etc.) but we should never be afraid to recruit any player anywhere any time who fits our needs and is a great athlete and student and we believe will represent Nebraska in the manner expected. This young man appears to be a great fit and from what little we know about him, has the size and reputation to be another great Blackshirt legend.

 

But is he a potential Heisman candidate?

 

And just what makes you the recruiting expert that reads minds and can absolutely determine which ones are certain to have nothing to do with Nebraska? I am just curious.

 

No, you're not. And if you truly are, you can be curious somewhere not on this thread.

 

Like I said, yes, there is legitimate interest here, we have a family member of his already committed.

 

Why do you have to be so mean and condescending AtBone95? Folks just want to chat here, talk through ideas and questions. There's just no need to be such a bully.

And, they're not cousins. Just close friends according to McQuitty.

Wasn't he the kid that sad a few weeks ago on Twitter that he would not be taking questions or interviews on his recruiting?

I love this kid. I think he's got Cornhusker in his blood - let's hope we get Tyjon signed this summer and can keep Bookie in the wings for next year. I think it's a 2fer that we're already in a good position to get.