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21 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

 

Idk if that is true.  OJ Howard in a different offense could have been a 1k yard TE and probably would have helped his draft stock. Saban doesnt venture too far from his boring offense. Now Bama does get a lot of eyes so they get a lot of player drafted and about half of them over-drafted. 

He was a Mackey award finalist, won a championship, and was a first-round pick. Hard to argue he wasn't utilized properly or that Saban's offense hurt his stock- how much higher could it go? Being over-drafted isn't really a downside for the player, and whether you think you "fit" or not if Bama says they want you that means something.

5 hours ago, Undone said:

Here's their second touchdown. Same play:

 

 

 

Looks like Alex Davis is in to create a four man front on the right. Which I like a lot. And the I believe I see Caleb Tannor as a fifth guy on the left edge of our line. They have a six man front. 

 

More mindless play from Young. He casually steps to his left and bumps into Barry. Barry - actually reading the play well - tries to get over to make a play Young should have made in the first place.

Seriously...so depressing.

Bootle actually took the blame for this play, said he needed to crack replace and didn't. But yeah, it's like Young is just watching a completely different play. Maybe his key is the fullback since 42 does go to the backside, but I don't know why one ILB would read the fullback and the other read something else. Maybe that's his man if it's a pass and he's trying to follow, but the playside ILB can't run away from the play, and definitely can't run into the backside ILB.

36 minutes ago, Lyons in the Sea of Red. said:

I have not, and perhaps the army of Husker media folks I follow on Twitter haven't either, but the clips that are getting passed around are down right sad, physical domination. 

 

We had 27 yards in the first half. I don't know how you can sit there and say that's "not that bad". And I don't necessarily think you can put a lot of stock into the 2nd half, when they are playing non-starters. 

 

I understand he has to do the interviews. But we have heard the same things 3 weeks in a row. I just don't know how you can stand up there and continue to say "it's not as bad as it looks on film". 

 

For frosts sake I really hope we aren't outmatched by Purdue. Not saying he's in danger or anything, but he's not doing himself any favors with some of the stuff these pressers are setting him up for. 

29 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

Having 132 total yards of offense and giving up almost 500 yards on defense and saying that it was merely bad technique and missed assignments and physicality not at all being attributed is laughable.

Good points, and I should clarify I was talking about our defense and did not specify that in my post. Our offense was thoroughly outclassed by their defense in every way,but I don't think the defense was as bad as it seemed. As St Paul pointed out, the numbers really don't back me up so I understand disagreeing. I will completely change my tune if it looks at all similar against Purdue.

31 minutes ago, Lyons in the Sea of Red. said:

Some of the quotes from Frost today really don't sit too well and are scary. 

 

"we aren't that far off" 

"the film wasn't as bad as it looked."

 

Dude you got absolutely bullied. That team would have ran the ball and sacked the qb blindfolded. 

 

And for the love, please stop selecting Lamar Jackson for interviews. 

Just out of curiosity, have you re-watched any of it? I have (because I'm a masochist), and it was definitely bad but  looked more like players messing up technique and assignments rather than being physically dominated. It always feels worse as it's happening, and it was definitely really bad, but I don't think they looked 46 points better overall. 21 or 28 sure, I'm not saying we could have won or anything.

There's also just the fact that he has to do these interviews. He can't prove that we were close until we start winning, but he has to answer questions about it all week. It's always going to seem like it's not true because every coach is going to say they're close. Some are right, some are wrong. The reporters would go nuts if he said "it won't click until year 2," even though Frost has tried to allude to that. I think he deserves a little more time before we consider his "we're really close" to be the same as Riley saying it in year 3.

Also, we just cannot get out of our own way! I don't think there was a way we win that game, but there were so many chances to slow the bleeding and maybe lose 42-17 instead - The initial pick was deflating, but then we miss a throw to Bell that had the potential for big yards, run into their returner when he's called for a fair catch, can't block one guy with 3 on a screen, and make a terrible decision to try and field that punt. I had to stop my second watching there.

I think Frost's comments from 2 years ago being a factor is ridiculous. It's not like he claimed we were going to outhit them in this game, and I'm pretty sure Michigan was going to punch us in the mouth regardless of comments from 2 years ago. That's been how to beat this team for 3 years, and it hasn't changed yet.

The scheme put them in tough spots, but Young overran his gap to give up a big run and one of the Davis jumped of of his on another one. Credit to the Michigan o-line, they were massive holes - but you have to fill it from the inside out. Tre Neal mentioned that in his Monday interview - not specifically Young/Davis, but the need to play the technique exactly as coached and not give the back extra room.

Slightly comforting to hear Frost's comments about changes because players either can't or won't do their jobs. I think it was specifically in regards to special teams, but across the board it's one thing to do it in practice and another to do it in a game. I get using practice as the way to prove you deserve game reps, but if the earned game reps are bad that has to be taken into account.

I'm not a fan of the delayed speed option. Haven't seen it work this year.

I thought Jackson played more physical than the first 2 games, and Bootle less so. But predictably in coverage, Bootle was great (a little grabby, but they were letting them play) and Jackson was not.

14 minutes ago, husker_fan_from_sweden said:

Young is probably the fastest ILB and one of the best cover guys. For being a senior though he missed a lot of assignments the past couple games and got caught way out of position.

 

Honas got a lot better as the game went on and I think a Barry/Honas combo would help us in the long run.

There's no way Young is faster than Barry - he's looked a little slow ever since his freshman year in my (admittedly amateur) opinion. I do agree overall though, after whiffing on the tackle and giving up the touchdown early Honas started laying the wood. Young hasn't made many splash plays that I can remember, Honas at least seems like he could.

44 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Jackson is one of the most frustrating players to follow on the team.  The guy seems like he does and says everything right in the off season, only to get to games and plays so tentatively.

 

Now, I will say, I saw some plays last week from him where he came up and made tackles that we would not have seen last year.  But, he could do so much more.

 

On the other side of the field is a kid who is flying around, hitting people and making plays going 100 mph.....and he was barely recruited out of HS.  The only way we found him was a satellite camp in Florida and he was fast.

 

If we can get that play out of a low 3* guy, imagine what this team could be if we got similar type of play out of our highly rated players.  Jackson is one player in a long line of highly recruited players that come in and don't live up to the hype.  That doesn't mean we should stop recruiting those type of players and only recruit low 3* players.  It means that I hope we have a staff that can get the most out of players no matter what type of player they are coming out of HS.

On the second watching (although it's not always easy to see the corners), I thought Jackson was fine. His mistakes just seem to always show up - the complete whiff on their first offensive play looked like last year, but I'm sure he was a little too amped up and Nixon is not an easy guy to tackle in the open field. He bit hard on the flea flicker, but based on Bottle and the Safety being in position to make the play I don't know what Jackson's responsibilities were on that play. He had a holding call in the 3rd quarter, but that was pretty questionable IMO. Huard blamed him for the 3rd and 19 conversion, but I'm not sure if that was his zone or Williams'.

Bootle was much more physical getting off blocks and tackling, and is without a doubt our #1 corner. But Jackson doesn't worry me nearly as much as last season, and he definitely wasn't a huge problem on Saturday.

20 hours ago, Hilltop said:

Our starting QB will be on the Heisman watch list for 2019.  Our 2nd string will transfer and eventually play a game against us before his career is over.  

I can buy the first part, but not the second - our non conference opponents for 2020/2021 (they'll have to sit out 2019) are Cincinnati, Central Michigan, SDSU, Northern Illinois, Buffalo, and Oklahoma. If it's Martinez who transfers you could add North Dakota and Georgia Southern in 2022, and there are always bowl games. I'm assuming they don't sit out the extra year to stay in the big ten, but AJ Bush did end up back at Illinois so who knows!

11 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

For those (like me) who don't have all the numbers memorized yet (especially the guys down the depth chart):

 

91-Freedom; 44-Mick; 95-Stille

94-Khalil; 99-Newell; 96-Carlos

9-Neal; 93-Daniels; 97-Deontre

11-Vainuku

Interesting to see Newell ahead of Daniels and Vaha, although Daniels is still a freshman and Vaha hasn't played in a while. Maybe all he needed was a coaching change, it would be great to see him put it all together and become a solid player.

I've got to go with Frazier, he just had IT. Accuracy would definitely be the weakness, but it's also worth pointing out he wasn't being asked to make high percentage throws. We didn't pass to move the ball, we did a lot of deep shots so nobody was going to complete 70% in the mid 90s offense.

Most of the QBs would be great fits though, and then it's just a matter of which strength (accuracy, decision making, athleticism) you like best or which weakness you dislike the most. It's totally unfair because for most of his career the decisions were great, but the OT interception Ganz threw against Texas Tech always comes to mind so I don't tend to consider his decision making a strength. He'd do well in this offense though.

True, I forgot about that so not a great comparison. I just don't think 16 reps is that terrible - not an amount any OL is going to be proud of, but some successful lineman have had similar performances. Pro football reference says Russ Hochstein only did 16 reps at his combine, and he did fine. Not claiming Knevel was a great lineman but I don't think he's close to the worst OL we've had.

Eh, it's not great but it's not the worst we've ever had. Marcel Jones only did 13 reps at his combine, and he was pretty solid. From other schools, Orlando Brown did 14 reps after he weighed in at 345, although it is being talked about as one of the worst recent combine performances. He was fine in college though. A couple years ago a Wisconsin lineman (Havenstein) put up 16 reps, and I didn't hear anything about Wisconsin's S&C or Havenstein's personal effort, plus he was still a second round pick. It's not a good number, but long arms are not a benefit for bench and some taller guys don't do as well as their weight would suggest.

I know Knevel wasn't great, but I'd chalk that up more to playing hurt because Cav "didn't have time to prepare backups to play." I didn't tend to notice him when he was playing healthy, which is better than I can say for some other lineman.

Where's the Bubba Starling option?

Milton was the 3rd quarterback to play his freshman year, although once he played they definitely didn't look back. I'd be really surprised if it was Martinez - he's the future but it could be a long year if he starts right away. I've gotta think both Gebbia and POB are better than the non-Milton options were at UCF, so as long as they both stick I'd bet Martinez will redshirt. Wouldn't be shocking if the number 2 guy transferred though, and if that's the case he would definitely play.

1 hour ago, Roll Skers said:

Edelman gets hurt a lot, im saying he is a prototypical pats WR right now, very similar to Hogan

Soo... White? He's nowhere near as quick as Edelman, and I love Westerkamp but Hogan is a much better athlete. Hogan had 28 bench press reps at the combine and ran a 4.50 at his pro day, Westy did 12 and ran 4.73 both times on his pro day. I agree in the right system Westerkamp could play (and probably play well), but Canada might be a better fit.

Reminds me of Nate Swift - great college receiver, just not quite quick enough to stick in the NFL. Hope he gets a chance to prove me wrong and does, but I do think he can be really good in the CFL.

I think Lee, Brown, Jones, and maybe Gates and Kalu are draftable, all in the late rounds though. Somebody will try to fix Lee, and a few kickers usually get selected late. Jones/Gates/Kalu all have questions they'll have to answer, but they have talent. Jones and Kalu need to run well, and Gates needs to explain his effort level and regression - I don't know how much you can pin on having a terrible coach, but he does have that excuse.

3 hours ago, Hunter94 said:

was hoping to see Rex play yesterday......obviously he is behind White.

He did get a carry early on a reverse, but I'm pretty sure that was just to prove he's still alive. Sounds like he was the player that cut Brady's hand, so a disappearance wouldn't be shocking.

In all seriousness though, probably had more to do with being out for a few weeks. They have a lot of talented backs, and you never know who they're going to use - hopefully he's used more in the super bowl, White didn't impress me a ton. Lewis is clearly the top back at the moment though.

I wish we would drop this one, the past few years there hasn't been a contributor, mostly IR or practice squad. Really not something to be proud of, IMO. At least both Gerry and Sirles on active, but they're a special teamer and a backup lineman.

XLVIII (2013) - Stewart Bradley, LB, Denver Broncos On injured reserve before the year even started
XVLIX (2014) - Alfonzo Dennard, CB, New England Patriots Actual contributor
XVLIX (2014) - Eric Martin, LB, New England Patrios (PS)
50 (2015) - Zaire Anderson, LB, Denver Broncos (PS)
LI (2016) - Vincent Valentine, DT, New England Patriots Don't think he played many snaps, but was at least on the active roster I believe.

1 hour ago, BIG ERN said:

I was impressed that he switched things up vs Auburn, something Diaco never did. He would press corners, blitz, zone/man etc. They aren't playing with NFL talent either. 

That was definitely good to see, but they do have at least some NFL talent. Their corner (Hughes) is going to be an early round pick, we don't have anyone in the secondary that's a better NFL prospect. Either way, more creativity and aggression on defense will be nice.

11 hours ago, LumberJackSker said:

Ricky Henry and Jermarcus Hardrick are the most recent ones i can think of

Chongo Kondolo! Although I'm not sure it qualifies as a significant contribution.

2 minutes ago, Minnesota_husker said:

I wish we would have gone JUCO or even Grad Transfer last year at the NT position to help with the move to the 3/4. I cant remember exactly the timing of when we hired Diaco but how nice would it have been if we could have brought in a legit 3/4 Nose Tackle.

 

I think JUCO is a great idea for OL and DL to get some "beef" in here but also wouldnt mind just going Grad Transfer route to get a more mature/ready player.

I agree overall, some more developed athletes on the lines would help. I really don't think nose tackle was our problem last year, but it would be nice to keep Stoltenberg fresh.

I think he could have a Charlie Whitehurst-type NFL career, and he's been around for 12 years. Look good in the preseason against guys who won't make rosters, stick around as a third string QB for a while, maybe get a regular season chance once in a while. Most fans won't have any idea who you are, but it's not a bad way to make some money if you have the arm talent.

On 11/16/2017 at 0:01 AM, Big red surfers said:

Ken Niumatalolo.  Back to the 80/90's offense.

 

It's really not what we ran in the 80's and 90's, and I think a Georgia Tech-level of success is the best you can hope for with it. We ran power football with a solid dose of options thrown in, not mostly triple option with some gimmicks. The Navy/GT offense is a couple different formations, a few different motions, and a set of plays off of each motion. I think Niumatalolo (and Johnson) are good coaches, but you're settling for a peak of consistent 8-9 win seasons and occasionally contending for B1G West titles if we find a great QB. I will be very disappointed if that's the route we go, I just think it limits our ceiling.

I wouldn't mind Shaw or Patterson, but it seems like the Patterson ship has sailed - he has TCU positioned to be a perennial top-20 team with playoff potential. Why leave, especially when that means recruiting Texas would be much harder? I also don't know if we're considered a step up from Stanford, we'd have to pay Shaw a lot.

The real question is why would Oregon St. be interested in Les Miles? Rumor has it their greatest head coach in program history will be available in a few weeks!

I don't think having a WR with more yards than an RB is inherently a problem, but definitely a shift from the previous philosophy. Surprisingly never happened with Callahan, although you can give him some of the credit for it happening in '08 as well. Obviously more likely to happen with RB rotations, but in this case the run game just sucks as well.

In 2015 the top 4 rushers had 765, 444, 400, and 265 yards. In 2008 they had 803, 517, 467, and 258 yards. So 1,800-2,000 between the top 4 rushers, which I would be fine with. This year it's 431, 299, 259, 65. We do have 3 games left (and likely no bowl game, where the other years did have to boost the stats), but we're not running for 800 yards in the next 3 games anyway. It's not the rotation, it's just a pathetic running game.

More recent than you think - 2015, Westerkamp led the team with 918 receiving yards, Newby led in rushing with 765.