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1 hour ago, TheSker said:

If this prediction comes to fruition we'll have one of the better pass rushes in the country 

It isn't really my prediction.  It's the coachspeak.  I predict 5-7, so not a lot of accolades here.  :-)

My guess would be that Garrett Nelson will be one of the better options here.  Mathis will probably help in that as well.

16 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

Benny Hinn, or Benny Hill? 

Benny Hinn, the Word of Faith cult leader.  Even his own nephew has come clean ...
 

2 hours ago, knapplc said:

Is there money in the Athletic Dept. budget for media training for Frost? Even if this is hyperbole, even if players hurling during practice happens all over, you HAVE to know this is not something you can just breezily mention to the press without it blowing up on social media. 

 

You're in the spotlight now. Just say some bland nothing and move on. Coach Speak 101.

I'm actually enjoying Scott more and more. 

The coachspeak was getting to me.  Now, I'm seeing him as more of "the Benny Hinn of coaching".  

Scott can simply "Name It & Claim It", "Blab It & Grab It" ... and it's his.  He wears that white coat like Benny and takes it off, swirls it at the audience and everyone just falls over ... well, until he plays a team.  Then, we find out he is a "fake healer".  

He sorta reminds me of OJ as well, ya know, "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit".  He will find an excuse as to why there is blood on the console of his Ford Bronco and spend the rest of his life looking for the killer.  

Every year it's something I suppose.  It's always something like, "we are one player away".  Then, he gaslight us like he didn't really say or mean that.

Remember this, "We're close," Frost said. "...I'm really excited about the rest of this year. I'm really excited about about next year. I hope we get it. I think we should. ... With the young guys we've got coming back and an opportunity to go out and get a few more pieces to add to that, I think this thing could be really good."

Then we won three [3] games.

"As the world turns ... so are the days of our lives" with Scott leading the way.  

Get your humor out of this.  It doesn't look like you will get many wins.

I had voted for five [5] wins.  However, after reading all the superlatives in this article ...

https://www.on3.com/teams/nebraska-cornhuskers/news/nebraska-football-coach-scott-frost-on-radio-season-opener-dublin-northwestern/

... now, I expect 11-1 or 10-2.  Man, it just sounds like across the board we are gonna be just phenomenal.  With the easy schedule, Frost shouldn't even be safe at 9-3.  We should be favored in all but the Michigan game and should meet up to beat OSU in the B1G championship.

I had no idea that we had made such amazing strides.  What I thought I was hearing was "coachspeak".  Now, I'm seeing that it must be just sheer confidence in their ability to develop these kids.

I'll buy in ... the order is restored and 9-3 is the absolute worst option but we are in the hunt to win not only the B1G but also Natty.

I can now affirm also that "Iowa Sucks" and Wisky has a weak OL.  They won't stand a chance against our elite DL.

I had us with a 24 point win against NW.  I'm believing it is a 31 point win now.

Go Big Red

25 minutes ago, Mavric said:

Not sure I buy Syracuse having a bigger fan base than Nebraska.

I agree.  But, it is probably a necessary humbling to see that "the greatest fans on earth" didn't make the Top 16 fan base.

29 minutes ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

I’m sorry but I’ve talked to dozens of long time fans.  Almost 100% are very pessimistic - most are in the 3-6 win group.  About 2/3rds would fire Frost and most would give rest of new staff a couple more years to see if they could restart the team. 
 

These sites don’t reflect s lots of fan base imo.  The posters are the most avid, rabid, diehards and are also the polarized.  But I’d say, if fans voted, Frost would not get re-elected to another 4 year term.  If he surprises, wins 9 and a top ten win, he’d get another year by a majority, I suspect. 

Ya, and the scary thing is if he hits his number of necessary wins, he gets bumped back to his 5 million number and even gets a year added on to his contract.  

It was sold as a way to save on his buyout, but it really doesn't do much ... unless he gets fired this season by hitting his number.  If there number is 6-7 wins, that's an ugly number on an easy season and we are stuck with his contract for another three [3] seasons [if I understand it correctly].  

He has to go 8-4, preferably 9-3 and truly hit the turbo switch.    

Yep, a business trip.  I think we win by 24 amidst a few good what-if's.  I have good confidence that we will come with a good business mindset.  It will amp people's expectations also.

5 hours ago, tmfr15 said:

These two statements seem at odds to me. 

 

I get it. These four years have been tough. That's why I worry that it won't work.

 

Do I want it to work? YES!

Do I think Scott and Trev had a great offseason in working towards that? YES!

Can I say I am 100 percent confident? No

Five years down the road, I am hoping that we will be able to say Scott found his way through this hardship and that we are now winning a decent number of games and blah, blah, blah.

I honestly don't know who we would hire if it doesn't pan out. I am still in shock that it hasn't to this point. When Scott came on, I thought, THIS IS IT. WE FINALLY GOT IT RIGHT.

Hoping that if the bad happens, there will be somebody who can just grind us back to getting the job done more than we don't.

Well, it is odd.  But it's why I've advocated that Scott stop just stop the coachspeak and plug away.  Trev gave him the changes and the year.  We need to support it/him.

I have not bought in and have my honest prediction.  It's not what I want or hope for.  I will watch with great interest.  

I really see no reason to not go at least 8-4, bit lots of changes and Scott's way has not worked.  He is getting every opportunity.  Hope he can pull off a good to great season.

4 hours ago, NUinID said:

 

My thought is let the season play out before you are firing Scott Frost.  I would have understood completely if Trev Alberts had fired Frost at the end of the season.  He chose a different path, which I am also fine with.   

 

You just have to let it go.  Unless Frost starts out something like 1-5 this year, he is not being fired at midseason.  He has this season to audition. He knows that his job is on the line. Lets not throw dirt on his corpse until it is one.  

Ya, I agree.  But sadly, the folks who know with the easy schedule that we should go 8-4 or better will come out like roaches to roast Frost for any slips.  Rather than wait for him to lay his egg they will stir and muddy the water like a shark circling the prey.   

Scott needs the whole year and 100% trust to give his best and all.

I will be rooting for him.  Even though my personal prediction is 5-7, I will listen or watch each game and be elated for anything better.

Go Big Red!

13 hours ago, DefenderAO said:

 

How is Scott going away different than him getting fired?  Is he going to play hide and seek for a decade?  Coach from the moon?  Husker Mafia'ed?

Like others, I think you were taking my statements as "wanting to see him go".  That just isn't the case.  Like in a lit of counseling sessions I've been in, Scott is setting himself promising at the beginning of the season more than he needs to.  It's been a problem for him.

A fan like me who is hopeful to go 5-7 is not going to be the one who banters and goes negative to try to get Scott fired.  Search the board and you won't find me doing that.  Yet, most seasons this board has a good number of folks that bloviate some great record of 10-2 or 9-3 and then in the live threads on game day start saying stuff like, "I knew it ... Scott sacks.  He's a terrible coach.  Who do we go after next, etc."

Like an abused partner [fan], the comments are being expressed as, "Scott, the fans don't need your words anymore, we need to see your actions.  Stop bloviating with all the coachspeak.  Just coach and develop these kids.  We fully get that you think everyone is a great kid and a really good football player and this team is only one player away from the title.   Now, just go win 8-9 games with your easy schedule and beat all these teams you have already recruited better than for four years."

2 hours ago, Hilltop said:

So Scott is going to lose his job if he says a player is doing good???  lol seriously man.  It doesn't matter what Scott says, short of a Bo blow up.  He will either get it done on the field or not and what he says to reporters doesn't impact that imo.  

@Hilltop, who is suggesting anything about losing his job?  lol, seriously man, your twist of words is sad.

The post is about the usual "coachspeak" he does.  It's just not necessary.   If anything ... all he is doing is setting himself for arrows by errant fans [who will then make Scott go away].  Just shut up and get it done on the field.  You could tell he tried to say little at the press conference [which was great].  Why not carry that same language to the players [that's all the is being expressed here].



 

46 minutes ago, desertshox said:

 

Are you really trying this hard to demean me? If you are that upset with meaningless coachspeak go out and do some yard work. It's really not worth getting worked up about. And most of us will know if it was just more hollow words from Frost in 17 days when we watch the team play.

 

And can we stop trashing the recruits thread? Some people check them to see if there is anything new in them.

Um, that response I made was exaggerating the point.  I would reverse this ... I could have said the same thing, "Are you really trying this hard to demean me?"  I've been an avid Husker fan since 1970 and have been on the board and followed the team and recruiting for many, many years.  I think I've heard a few coaches speak about the upcoming season with "coachspeak".  Frosty is not necessarily a "new level", but at 3-9, the team could handle a bit less bloviation of all the improvements and just shut and play.  

It's the internet ... I think you are reading into being "worked up".  But, I will get off this thread.  :-)  I think Mr. Coleman actually gets what some of us are feeling.  In that sense ... smart kid.  Hope he waits until our Huskers prove our "just words".

3 hours ago, desertshox said:

 

You do realize what is said in public isn't the same as what is said in private? And not all situations are similar?

 

The lengths some people go to just to b!^@h astounds me. The song and dance routine has been going on for years and years in so many different places. Learn to filter things out on your own and don't worry about the coachspeak.

Oh really ... wow ... I had no clue.  

FYI, you did an "unbelievable job" with this post.  You are "a really good" writer.  Your leadership is unparalleled.  We need more posters here that "have the character and hard work you are showing" ... you "are a great asset to this team".  You are "a great addition" to the greatest fans on earth.

... [record after the season  ... 3-9]

1 hour ago, Hilltop said:

Coaches comments are a coaching tool to use to motivate players, deceive opposing teams, and to occasionally inform fan bases of something that might cause us to buy a ticket.  People stressing about how good or bad anything is based on a no media scrimmage need to relax.  We might be great or we might stink but we won't know either until the 27th.  

In seminary, 98 - 100 was an A, 94-97 was an A-, 90-93 was a B+ and 85 - 89 was a B.  84 and below was an F.

Those were your grades.  For me, I think the coachspeak would better serve the team would be that at best at least stating a C or a C+ for the best, maybe a B- here or there.  The "really good", "he's a great player" and "major improvement" phrases need to go away ... or Scott will go away.

5 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

 

Coachspeak. They say the same stuff every year, because they know it's what the fans want to hear. Pacification. Unfortunately, once the season starts, the truth is unveiled. Hopefully this year it'll be different.

I was just reading an update from on3.com about the RB rotation.  Here is what was stated, “I’ve been really pleased with a lot of guys in the running back room,” Frost said.

So, the "really pleased" stuff is the same "coachspeak" from previous seasons.  This type of talk would be better stated as, "The running backs seem pleased with their effort.  Of course, we are in need of several players to step up.  We haven't had any player get to the necessary level, neither are we seeing the OL provide the next level consistency necessary."

Ya, more words here ... and all pointed to where we are to win the B1G and go to the playoff.  

"Really good" has only merited 3-9 records for this team.

1 hour ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

That's because MJ comes from a place where they don't sugarcoat things. If a player (or the team) isn't playing well, the coaches aren't afraid to say it. Whereas at Nebraska, it appears to always be rainbows and unicorns.

It sounds like you and are "two fella's in the same ship" and are just "negative Nancy's" on !  :-)

43 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

 

Coachspeak. They say the same stuff every year, because they know it's what the fans want to hear. Pacification. Unfortunately, once the season starts, the truth is unveiled. Hopefully this year it'll be different.

I agree.  It is coachspeak.  If it was a marriage it will be the stuff that leads to a divorce in several years.  Nuff said.  

It's why I don't have confidence in anything the coaches say anymore.  You do get a better feel from MJ I'd say.  I'm wanting more truth-telling and a statement like, "he's working hard to be an average player, he'll have to work harder and perform under pressure to be the player we need him to be."

7 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

 

Nothing is "easy" with the current state of the program and it blows my mind that we still have fans that think we have "definite" wins on the schedule. I thought losing to Illinois and their backup QB last season would be the final straw that would show Nebraska fans that there are no "gimme" games anymore but I guess not. 

I won't disagree with you at all really.  Again, I have us as 5-7.  

If you watch/listen to the noise coming out from the practices, it's "he's looking great", "lots of improvement in the run blocking", etc ... it's a lot of the same type of comments where "we are just a player away", "that's a really good football player", etc.  So, after getting rid of the cancer [those coaches and that one QB], plus the influx of new blood in key spots, surely we can at least sniff the projection ESPN has set for us and go 5-2 by the time Malachi commits.  

ESPN Says [This is the Media company that has no respect for Nebraska, hates us and even pays refs to make bad calls to keep us down]:

NW - 79% chance of winning
ND - 98% chance of winning
GS - 92% chance of winning
IU - 84% chance of winning
RU - 73% chance of winning

I'm following the logic.  It appears we should go 5-2 relatively easy, if not 6-1.  I could see it.  Still, as stated, I wouldn't commit to this team until I saw how we did against at the end of the season and the B1G games where we have the talent edge but find ways to lose.

1 hour ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

 

Ummm... 

Who do you have us losing to then?   The only slight risk is Purdue.  Everyone else is an easy win in the projections.

3 hours ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

I understand that but Coleman has to realize if Nebraska wins this year and gains his commitment and lets just say Nebraska gets a couple losses next year and makes a bowl but not a championship. What then? Is that good enough for Coleman to handle?? If not then why commit in the first place if he decides next year bc they aren't winning enough to transfer. Then was it the right reason to commit bc they won to gain his commitment. Your right about playing for top programs and nfl shot. I feel like Coleman would help the team as long as his persona doesn't get out of hand.

I actually don't think he is thinking clearly if he is waiting until October 15.  We will be 6-1 easily based on how great everyone is doing.  The season really doesn't start until the Michigan game.  Based on what Nebraska has done in recent years, I would wait and see how we play to finish the season.  How do we handle those last four games?  Did we beat Minni at home as we should?   Are we in the game at Michigan until the end?  Did we find a way to lose to Wisky at home and how we were on the road at Iowa?  Did we break the seven [7] year losing record?  

There is absolutely no way if I'm that talented that I commit to Nebraska if we are 6-1.  That will mean absolutely nothing to me.

Since I believe we will five [5] games, I don't believe he comes to .  I'll be curious who snags him and if he ends up in the B1G.

12 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

It's actually kind of crazy how good his times are when he starts so slow.

@Mavric, I wonder if this translates over to football and to what degree.  What I mean by this is, as a WR it's that explosion that creates separation ... and I'll be curious if at the college level he can do that.  In no way am I suggestion that I don't want him, I do, but I'm curious if he speed in the 100 really translates to the degree it seem it would to others if prior to getting up to that "speed" he is actually slower than most.  I don't know if this is true ... but at present it's probably his size and intangibles that have made him a standout player.  My guess is his speed does as well, but moving forward I wonder how it all translates to the college level of speed.  

His body type sort-of reminds me of Fidone and I'm hoping his body can hold up better in college play than Fidone and stay away from the injury bug.

It's all good here.  I will simply hope for the day that we lose out on an edge rusher because we already have three sophomores and one of them is gonna be really good.  :-)  For all of the "we are only one player away" comments, this isn't a position of concern for me and I can get how this kid choose another option.  

4 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

 

Just my opinion. I know that a lot of top recruits are shopping themselves around, looking for the best deal. I thought perhaps Auburn 1-upped us in that department. Unfortunately, we've slipped back to #39 in the recruiting rankings, and our highest-ranked commit is #175 in the country. Hard to compete against teams loaded with Top 100 guys.

Ya, which is really what surprised me ... he has a lot of better recruits ahead of him to break his way through.  My guess is he thinks that the development there will be better and the better players around him will make it easier for him to then shine.  That's why he must be thinking [but I don't know].  I was just hopeful we could get a few more prospects in the D Edge position and hit on one [maybe him].

7 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

If they were pursuing him the hardest, why didn't he commit to them first?

You would have to ask him.  It's what he said.  It wasn't my opinion.  He just seemed enamored by Auburn and getting their attention.  It sounded like after he committed to  that they stayed in pursuit and that seemed to grab him and show him either his true desires or revealed to him that Auburn actually wanted him more than we did [as he is stating it].