WyoHusker56

I get a couple things from this.

1. Frost has been really close to getting this team into the win column and competing. In a rebuild you usually lose close before you start to win close and so on.

2. At some point you have to turn the corner and not only win these games, but win the games you're supposed to. If you never do that, number one doesn't really matter.

Would love to have Domann back for another year, but if he continues his play for a few more games I bet he could go into the combine and find himself as a mid round pick. Jaimes would honestly be good to have back, but I imagine he heads for the NFL and I don't blame him. I think our younger talent in the backfield and at TE will likely step up to the level of or exceed the existing players there.

A great example of what Milton coming to NU would do is how Joe Burrow got the Bengals into playoff contention this year.

Bringing in Milton affects AM and at least one of Luke and Milton. Maybe in your best case you convince Luke to stay and switch positions, but I just don't know if that happens. However, people seem to be assuming that Milton can come back and be even 70%, 80%, 90% plus of his former self. While maybe he has recovered physically the mental side is a whole different game. There is a laundry list of players who have major injuries that aren't even as bad as his and never return to even a shadow of their former self. The kid had to seriously face potential amputation, you don't just get over that. The list of players who come back and play at a high level again is small. Your worst case is Milton comes, you lose two existing QBs and Milton can't play at his former level. Now you have a depleted room and you're still losing games.

1 hour ago, Undone said:

I want to see more of Rahmir Johnson. Just give him more snaps and see if he really catches fire like he did on a couple plays against Iowa.

 

The downfield passing game is getting the most attention this year as far as offensive struggles go, but having a RB that could get 5 yards when the next best guy only gets 3, or picks up 9 yards when the next best guy only picks up 6 on the same play would be huge.

 

The better your running back is at juking, twisting, & creating something out of nothing, the fewer 3rd & longs you get into. 

He had some really solid looking runs on Friday so I hope they give him more touches this weekend. Honestly we are so beat up at that position we need someone to emerge and he has looked the closest so far.

The Northwestern game is really the outlier for AM and the reason he was benched, but NW is the 10th ranked defense right now and the loss to MSU is probably more about the 4 turnovers than the defense being bad. Wish we'd seen AM sooner in the Illinois game for sure.

3 hours ago, MyBloodIsRed16 said:

He was on the side line the last home game.  If he's just behind mentally you still dress him just in case.  It could be a hammy or a groin issue.  Those can linger for a while and depending what type of person he is they can be more of a problem.

High ankle sprains are notorious for lingering too. Lots of seemingly mild stuff that can keep players out especially if he doesn't know the playbook great yet. Betts doesn't know the playbook well, but he's obviously explosive so you get him out there. If Manning is slowed by an injury and playbook issues no reason to dress him.

15 hours ago, Decked said:

Alston will never play a down here. 

13 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Yeah, I'm kind of in that boat as well.

Was he a Frost recruit or just a holdover from Riley recruiting him and Frost honored the commitment?

7 minutes ago, Husker in WI said:

 

Also, would they even be offsetting? A lot of penalties are waived if another penalty or action 'causes' them - it's not roughing the kicker if you get blocked into them, not pass interference if the ball is tipped prior, not illegal touching if you're forced out and reestablish yourself in bounds, etc. Seems like PI from one receiver causing PI on a different receiver should just be on the first receiver, but I don't actually know if that's how it works. Either way, if it's not called on the receiver it doesn't matter.

Pretty sure the rule is that live ball fouls are offsetting. So, let's say you have offensive holding and defensive PI, they are both live ball fouls and they offset. Same if you have 2 offensive and 1 defenseive penalty etc. In the examples you mention, those aren't penalties causing another penalty. They are some sort of not illegal action, blocking for example, causing the penalty. I can't think of any case where a penalty that causes another penalty would negate the second penalty.

8 hours ago, chamrocck said:

I’d like to see one of the RBs establish themselves and I think it might be Scott who I see more of as a punish the defense runner which we badly need.

Rahmir had some good looking runs on Friday. I hope he builds on that this week against a weaker defense and hopefully Thompkins comes back healthy too and we build a strong run game. If that happens this offense could really get moving.

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

Williams was already hanging onto his jersey before the pick and he was already beat on the play.  

I don't think anyone would argue that Williams didn't commit PI on that. The point is it's a pretty obvious OPI and it doesn't matter if Williams was already fouling him or not it should have been called on both and been offsetting.

@Mavric thanks for posting these from Chaz! I follow him on Twitter, but I miss a lot of these. It's nice to get a breakdown on these in here.

11 hours ago, Mavric said:

Man, the sky must be falling everywhere.  Everyone's classes falling apart.  Time to panic.

 

 

Weren't a lot of people predicting this? Kids were committing early and trying to make sure they had spots and then it was expected there would be lots of decommitments and kids moving around later.

19 minutes ago, Mavric said:

I've heard it said - and I think there is some validity to it - that part of the issue is our own lack of a dynamic pass rush that doesn't create as many opportunities.

 

But it seems like this is brought up every year - how long it's been since we've had an opponent called for holding.  You have to think that there should be ONE flag thrown, especially with how ticky-tack a few of the ones we've been called for have been.

There's definitely validity to that, but I think we've all seen at least one or two just blatant holds on TV. I can't see how the refs miss all of those.

54 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said:

I don't see a reason why he'd leave.  Luke isn't going to gain arm strength overnight and the way he throws the ball and appearance of his throws tells me that's a major limitation that no coaching or mechanic adjustment will fix. If he is really thinking he has to leave for a better opportunity I'd be shocked if there was a legit P5 team available that would be a good fit that also didn't have quality competition already in the QB room.

 

If I'm Adrian, I see Luke as a spark plug of a guy who got his chance and proved he can't move the needle with his arm.  I'd be shocked if he's even contemplating a move elsewhere- he's got a massive opportunity to win this job for good, he just needs to avoid his dud of performances like the start of the NW game

If Luke decides to leave and wants a shot at QB I don't think he goes P5. NU was one of if not the only team that was giving him a legit shot at being a QB anyway. Some team might say they'd give him a shot and then just try to move him to another position.

12 minutes ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

It's only been 17 years since we Fired frank solich, just saying. 

 

So we just keep going on the same losing path we've been on for Frost's entire time here? We just keep going forward with more of the same? Personally, I'd rather start winning and I'm of the opinion that in order for that to happen our Athletic Directors need to stop hiring fan choices (looks at Osborne and Moos) and hire a coach that is best for the future of our beloved football program.

Ha fair enough on the timing.

I'm ready to start winning too, but I want to see how this year finishes out and I've seen enough things that suggest NU is moving in the right direction to stay the course. Frost was given a 7 year contract for a reason and firing him 3 years in doesn't get you anywhere.

Who is the coach you are going to go out and hire now? No big name or up and coming coach is coming here after we fire Frost because there are better jobs that pay the same or more. Nebraska is not some coveted job anymore. They can see the same deficiencies and more that we see. Who wants that? So, you have to find some diamond in the rough, good luck. Also, the new coach isn't getting some huge budget to hire great assistants so he's bringing in up and coming assistants learning on the fly. Then you have a team whose biggest play makers are young guys who big name teams would taken in an instant. You fire Frost and our QBs are probably gone, Wan'Dale is gone, and lots of other young talent too. They'll get waivers to play immediately because a coach was fired. Guys who can grad transfer will likely do so too and others head for the NFL.

So, now you have a coach with no upperclassmen talent and the youngest stars gone. Don't forget the recruits are likely gone as well this late in the stage. Fidone probably goes to a staff he feels more comfortable with. The new coach has to put together some sort of class with no visits or in person contact. Now you've got a team with even more talent issues and years of recruiting needed to rebuild it. So, you see this new coach going out and winning in 2021, 2022? The losing continues and the rebuild starts over so you're hoping maybe 5 years from now the team is competitive, but how do you get any talent to come now?

You stick with Frost because you hope he turns this around and becomes the coach and team many expect he can. The alternative is an NU team that isn't competitive anytime in the near future or maybe ever again. You stick it out because this scenario plays out regardless of the year you fire Frost. You hope Frost turns it around in the next two years because the alternative of a new coach is not some quick fix. 

1 hour ago, hskrfan4life said:

You would think when the ref is looking at the play he would see that if he saw the defensive pi.

If he didn't you have to think there's some bias in what he's looking at.

1 hour ago, Mavric said:

Sure seems like the receiver crossing from the top sure altered his route to get a pick in.

 

 

Honestly a smart PI by Williams too. If he just goes down and his guy catches that ball he only has the deep safety to beat for a TD and the way NU tackles... I was screaming at the TV that they didn't call offsetting PI on that though that's a perfect OPI case.

56 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

These are some of the holes that I think guys like Mills and Scott miss. Thompkins was finding them, but he's out. We really need one of our backs to start finding these holes because they aren't big, but that's really well blocked against a defense like Iowa's.

37 minutes ago, HuskerRobNOregon said:

Anyone who watched Gebbia beat the Ducks last night will understand why Mario is a hoax...I have been watching Gebbia the last 2 seasos develop under Mr Smith here in Corvallis thinking wow.. he WAS in Lincoln.. Gebbia looked amazing last night.. so cool.. and TJ was in Lincoln.. Avery Roberts too.. Caleb? yep.. Avery had a couple of Game changing stops last night.. oh well..

 

Gebbia does not hesistate...he runs or throws.. fast. his line is pretty legit.. I did not see misfires... last night or in other games ... and games in a row.

 

 

Gebbia was 7 of 15 at one point, that's a 46% completion rate. He finished with a 71.6 QBR. Adrian's was 79.4. Adrian had a higher completion rate and higher average pass per yard. Plus Iowa is the 31st ranked pass defense not including today's game. I watched Gebbia last night too and I'd have stuck with AM. 

10 hours ago, Toe said:

 

Just from following the Reddit board for the university I work for, I can tell you that there's a whoooole lot of doom and gloom and burnout among students this semester. I'm sure a lot of our players are feeling it, too.

Yup this year is hurting everyone's mental health, but being a first year college kid halfway across the country and then not even getting to play the sport you came for is brutal. That shouldn't be the only excuse, but we can't act like this hasn't impacted kids. 

9 hours ago, huskerfan74 said:

Frost’s pressers are starting to piss me off. He refuses to acknowledge the fact that HIS team is horribly coached. He should stop blaming refs and opposing teams for his failures. He and his staff have been outcoached in every game. 
Here are some facts:

(1) after three years of coaching, our center still can’t snap the ball

(2) we have no special teams

(3) we continue to commit untimely penalties and fouls at the worst times

(4) we have zero depth in many positions

(5) smart players are transferring out because they see this sinking ship

 

all this and much more has happened on his watch. So, man up, stop selling us stupid excuses and BS, and stop talking about this team as if they are one or two plays from turning things around. Everyone in the universe can see how many issues we have and Frost and his coaches seem to be living in a dream world where they get paid high salaries to do absolutely nothing. With every presser, I lose more and more respect for Frost. I had high hopes for him but now I see that he is delusional and completely lost.

Dude just stop watching the pressers. It's 95% coach speak and then a little bit of reality. He's never gonna say what you want to hear whether he believes it or not so just don't watch them. 

2 minutes ago, Farms said:

I remember these Florida guys all being a close knit group when they were recruited. At the time it seemed like a blessing when they were peer recruiting each other. Seemed liked dominoes once one left. 

Gray was a huge piece of holding all that together I think. He left for legitimate family issues and I think him leaving probably started the avalanche. If he stays who knows. 

7 minutes ago, Bigred_inSD said:

Gebbia has looked good against Oregon tonight

He was sub 50% passing at one point, but the second half has been better. He's at 58% now. Ultimately probably not a step up from where we are now. 

I'm sure plenty disagree with me, but there are a lot of things about this team that show how close they are to changing their fortunes. When Frost says they are close to turning a corner I really think he's right. However, obviously they have to finally turn the corner and that is yet to be seen. This team isn't as far away from being good as some think though.